WARNING Vitoria Open Corsa Evo CX WARNING

what brakes

I bought a pair last week and used then for a 100mile sportive yesterday.

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what brakes

there were lots of little cuts and nicks all over the tyres!

To say that they were a complete waste of £70 is an understatement! Im NOT impressed..

FransJacques

Ah that could happen with anything, so nice try. No one will stop buying Vittorias based on your experience tho, they are proven tires!

I know you're peeved but to blame the tyres is like blaming the weather.

Question, what the hell did YOU ride over? Were you watching where you were going?

I've done this with some Michelin Pros and some expensive Veloflexs so I know how you feel.

Try some 25c Conti 4000s depending on your weight. Don't go much over 105 psi as well. Hard tyres don't deflect stones as well in my experience.

Scrumple

conti 4 seasons in this weather....

Splottboy

Conti 4 seasons, eh? When can I use them, then?

gabriel959

to be honest if that happened to me I would too be very cheesed off and would email the retailer and vittoria.

Mettan

These are Race-tyres - fast/supple/light/grippy - best suited to smooth circuit races - for a Sportive, use something durable like the GP 4 Seasons, Rubino Pros, Kyrilion carbon etc.

magliaceleste

Why the WARNING? Used them since they came out. Best tyre made IMO. Really supple, quite unlike anything else I've tried (Pro3, 4000s etc). Lots of Sportives without problems. They are really racing tyres though.

If you're going to run over sharp things try something else, although I think most performance tyres would tear, that slit looks like it's partly on the sidewall. It's sad but it could happen with any tyre.

simon johnson

what brakes wrote:

there were lots of little cuts and nicks all over the tyres!

To say that they were a complete waste of £70 is an understatement! Im NOT impressed..

I had the exact same experience (as mentioned before on this forum); lasted me a fortnight and they're in a state ten times that in the picture. They have nothing on the Pro Races which have served me all year round; I've yet to try Contis.

I know that they're race-light tyres and because of that are not the most durable. I think this was taken account though:

"New PRB 2.0 puncture resistant belting placed underneath the tread increases the flat prevention properties of the Corsa Evo CX up to 40%, even while reducing the weight. The new Corsa Evo CX is tougher and faster than ever before."

Didn't work out for me.

redddraggon

I ran the old 290TPI tyres all last summer, near daily, and didn't get one puncture.

fast as fupp

Scrumple wrote:

conti 4 seasons in this weather....

worst tyres ive ever used!

dennisn

FransJacques wrote:

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Question, what the hell did YOU ride over? Were you watching where you were going?

+1..... If you hit something that cuts your tire it's your fault, not the tires. You're riding with lightweight racing type tires. Use something sturdy and heavier when you're not racing.
You'll be happier because you'll have fewer flats and cuts and your billfold will be a bit fuller.

dennisn

simon johnson wrote:

what brakes wrote:

there were lots of little cuts and nicks all over the tyres!

To say that they were a complete waste of £70 is an understatement! Im NOT impressed..

I know that they're race-light tyres and because of that are not the most durable. I think this was taken account though:

"New PRB 2.0 puncture resistant belting placed underneath the tread increases the flat prevention properties of the Corsa Evo CX up to 40%, even while reducing the weight. The new Corsa Evo CX is tougher and faster than ever before."

Didn't work out for me.

To be honest you've fallen for the marketing hype. Pretty much all tires claim this in one form or another. Almost every tire out there is flat proof, according to the manufacturers.
When they say lightweight though, they mean it. Lightweight equates to less material on the tire, therefore less rubber to prevent something from penetrating, cutting, or tearing the tire. Lots of these tires are thin as can be. Great lightweight tires, not much protection from foreign objects. It shouldn't, and I don't think it does, surprise anyone that really light tires will cut, puncture, more easily than a more robust tire.

what brakes

nope i was wathching where i rode! avoiding all stone etc as poss...

I had a set of rubino pro's which i destroyed on last sportive by hitting a pothole but i didnt make a post on those as thats what you expect when hitting a pothole! These evo cx were destroyed on 1 ride! not half a dozen.

I will go back to the rubino pros, as they were a good but toughish tyre! and almost half the price of these!

FransJacques

How much do you weigh? What pressure are you on?

I'm 78-83 kgs depending and don't run much over 100psi ever and I take on some seriously sheit roads around Surrey, Kent and Hampshire and try not to ride slowly.

Pick you line carefully and run your (gloved) hand over tyres when you run through some flints, thorns or glass to remove debris.

I've trashed Veloflexs, 4000s, and Micheline Axial Pros so they all go, but the Conti's tend to last the best. They do not ride as sweet as the Veloflex which I save for France now.

Again, get 25mm, at least in the rear. You're not alone but don't blame a brand or a type of tyre. Sheit happens and there's lots of it in the UK - we're not riding beautiful Mallorcan or Tucson style perfect black asphalt.

dennisn

what brakes wrote:

nope i was wathching where i rode! avoiding all stone etc as poss...

I will go back to the rubino pros, as they were a good but toughish tyre! and almost half the price of these!

So what are you saying?? That nothing you hit in the road made those cuts??? Where did they come from then?? Things like that don't just appear on tires. A little thing called cause and effect. I suppose an evil demon could have put a curse on you but I'm thinking that those cuts are the result of something YOU hit on the road. That's the two possibiliies that I see. OK, maybe a tire slasher is on the loose out there. That's three.

As for switching back to a "toughish tyre". Great idea.

simon johnson

dennisn wrote:

simon johnson wrote:

what brakes wrote:

there were lots of little cuts and nicks all over the tyres!

To say that they were a complete waste of £70 is an understatement! Im NOT impressed..

I know that they're race-light tyres and because of that are not the most durable. I think this was taken account though:

"New PRB 2.0 puncture resistant belting placed underneath the tread increases the flat prevention properties of the Corsa Evo CX up to 40%, even while reducing the weight. The new Corsa Evo CX is tougher and faster than ever before."

Didn't work out for me.

To be honest you've fallen for the marketing hype. Pretty much all tires claim this in one form or another. Almost every tire out there is flat proof, according to the manufacturers.
When they say lightweight though, they mean it. Lightweight equates to less material on the tire, therefore less rubber to prevent something from penetrating, cutting, or tearing the tire. Lots of these tires are thin as can be. Great lightweight tires, not much protection from foreign objects. It shouldn't, and I don't think it does, surprise anyone that really light tires will cut, puncture, more easily than a more robust tire.

Marketing hype maybe, but are you saying that there isn't a puncture resistant belt underneath the tread? I expect Vittoria didn't just pull that 40% out of a hat and that they've done the work to substantiate their claim. Lightweight, yes, but still designed for road use and I expected not a year but more than two weeks use at least. Perhaps it was bad luck, but mine look like they've been introduced to Freddy Kruger. After a week I had to line them with tape to see them through (I could see through them!) until I could replace!

Really, I don't think that this was inexperience on my part and/or falling for hype; I have used Pro Races for years before and since, all year round (and even for the commute through Hackney -hell for tyres) so I know what to expect and the limitations of a lightweight race tyre. In this case it just wasn't met; but there are many factors to consider here....

blackhands

So the warning is you bought the wrong tyres.

You should use Vittoria Pave - made for fast training/sportives etc.

http://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/sp/road-t ... ITTTYRF290

dennisn

simon johnson wrote:

dennisn wrote:

simon johnson wrote:

what brakes wrote:

there were lots of little cuts and nicks all over the tyres!

To say that they were a complete waste of £70 is an understatement! Im NOT impressed..

I know that they're race-light tyres and because of that are not the most durable. I think this was taken account though:

"New PRB 2.0 puncture resistant belting placed underneath the tread increases the flat prevention properties of the Corsa Evo CX up to 40%, even while reducing the weight. The new Corsa Evo CX is tougher and faster than ever before."

Didn't work out for me.

To be honest you've fallen for the marketing hype. Pretty much all tires claim this in one form or another. Almost every tire out there is flat proof, according to the manufacturers.
When they say lightweight though, they mean it. Lightweight equates to less material on the tire, therefore less rubber to prevent something from penetrating, cutting, or tearing the tire. Lots of these tires are thin as can be. Great lightweight tires, not much protection from foreign objects. It shouldn't, and I don't think it does, surprise anyone that really light tires will cut, puncture, more easily than a more robust tire.

Marketing hype maybe, but are you saying that there isn't a puncture resistant belt underneath the tread? I expect Vittoria didn't just pull that 40% out of a hat and that they've done the work to substantiate their claim. Lightweight, yes, but still designed for road use and I expected not a year but more than two weeks use at least. Perhaps it was bad luck, but mine look like they've been introduced to Freddy Kruger. After a week I had to line them with tape to see them through (I could see through them!) until I could replace!

Really, I don't think that this was inexperience on my part and/or falling for hype; I have used Pro Races for years before and since, all year round (and even for the commute through Hackney -hell for tyres) so I know what to expect and the limitations of a lightweight race tyre. In this case it just wasn't met; but there are many factors to consider here....

Lets take this one at a time.
Puncture resistant belt... A piece of paper is puncture resistant. Right? Not very, but still a true statement. Plus the tire was cut not punctured.

40%... A nice figure. Accurate??? To be honest they don't have to prove this to you. If you doubt it you need to prove them wrong. Good luck with that. I doubt they pulled 40% out of a hat. I'm thinking some other place.


Bad luck... Now you're talking sense.

.... limitations of a lightweight race tire......Classic example that you have there.
Expensive, not very durable(sometimes even in the short term), can be turned into a piece of trash by something that a heavier tire would not have anywhere near that kind of problem with.

Don't think that you are something special with this. Everyone on this forum has probably lost a nice new expensive tire to some road hazard once or twice or more.

APIII

My first pair of evo's only lasted a few weeks so I understand you feeling peeved. The tyre just went pop one day (I wasn't even riding it at the time). There was a large cut in the tyre similar to the one in your first photo. I'd used GP4000's for years before that, without problems so I was pretty unimpressed at the time. However, I've got another set on my best bike which have been problem-free so far. For everyday tyres, I've gone back to the contis or the Vittoria Pave's as both have been far more reliable. The upshot is, the evo's are not tyres for everyday use in the UK IME.

must-tri-harder

really doesnt warrant all that warning nonsense. i ruined my very own open corsa cx tyre by not seeing a large rock on mile 2 of a 10 mile TT maybe two weeks ago, goodbye £35 tyre ..

however i can hardly complain that the tyre didnt steer around the rock, that was my fault, i doubt many tyres could cope with a large (35mm maybe) sharp rock at 25 MPH.

what brakes

dennisn wrote:

what brakes wrote:

nope i was wathching where i rode! avoiding all stone etc as poss...

I will go back to the rubino pros, as they were a good but toughish tyre! and almost half the price of these!

So what are you saying?? That nothing you hit in the road made those cuts??? Where did they come from then?? Things like that don't just appear on tires. A little thing called cause and effect. I suppose an evil demon could have put a curse on you but I'm thinking that those cuts are the result of something YOU hit on the road. That's the two possibiliies that I see. OK, maybe a tire slasher is on the loose out there. That's three.

As for switching back to a "toughish tyre". Great idea.

Get real buddy! :roll: I tried to avoid things like rocks potholes etc! and yes of course i ran over plenty! but what i said was i tried to avoid as many ones that i could as poss....


This was the first time of using them and both have been detroyed! thats my warning! if you buy these make sure you use them on track and not actual roads or yours may end up looking like these and then youve just wasted £70....

I was impressed with them until i got back to the car and noticed all the cuts n nicks....

After i bought them i googled and prety much all reports that i read had suffered the same fait as me. I dont expect to pay £35 per tyre for this to happen on their first outing! There are no warning on the box to say only use on smooth tarmac roads! there should be though

rokkala

Been using mine for well over a month, 5 days a week for racing and training, on some horrible surfaces too. Not had a puncture and the tyres are still in very good condition.

Just checked mine about for little nicks and cuts and can't see any.

Might help if you stated your weight and what pressures you normally use?

dennisn

what brakes wrote:

dennisn wrote:

what brakes wrote:

nope i was wathching where i rode! avoiding all stone etc as poss...

I will go back to the rubino pros, as they were a good but toughish tyre! and almost half the price of these!

So what are you saying?? That nothing you hit in the road made those cuts??? Where did they come from then?? Things like that don't just appear on tires. A little thing called cause and effect. I suppose an evil demon could have put a curse on you but I'm thinking that those cuts are the result of something YOU hit on the road. That's the two possibiliies that I see. OK, maybe a tire slasher is on the loose out there. That's three.

As for switching back to a "toughish tyre". Great idea.

Get real buddy! :roll: I tried to avoid things like rocks potholes etc! and yes of course i ran over plenty! but what i said was i tried to avoid as many ones that i could as poss....


This was the first time of using them and both have been detroyed! thats my warning! if you buy these make sure you use them on track and not actual roads or yours may end up looking like these and then youve just wasted £70....

I was impressed with them until i got back to the car and noticed all the cuts n nicks....

After i bought them i googled and prety much all reports that i read had suffered the same fait as me. I dont expect to pay £35 per tyre for this to happen on their first outing! There are no warning on the box to say only use on smooth tarmac roads! there should be though

I know you're p*ssed off but these things happen to us all. Not just you. You say you're p*ssed because it's the first ime you've used them? There is no time frame for getting cuts on tires. There is no agreement between the tire and yourself about how many rides it will give you before it blows. Could have happened a year from now. You've just learned a very valuable lesson. Paper thin racing tires are NOT the tire of choice for dodgy(I like that word, makes me feel English) roads. Get some decent tires with some material on them or you will again suffer the same fate.

gabriel959

British roads are particularly sh1te to be honest, they are almost as bad as 3rd world countries ones.

simon johnson

dennisn wrote:

simon johnson wrote:

dennisn wrote:

simon johnson wrote:

what brakes wrote:

there were lots of little cuts and nicks all over the tyres!

To say that they were a complete waste of £70 is an understatement! Im NOT impressed..

I know that they're race-light tyres and because of that are not the most durable. I think this was taken account though:

"New PRB 2.0 puncture resistant belting placed underneath the tread increases the flat prevention properties of the Corsa Evo CX up to 40%, even while reducing the weight. The new Corsa Evo CX is tougher and faster than ever before."

Didn't work out for me.

To be honest you've fallen for the marketing hype. Pretty much all tires claim this in one form or another. Almost every tire out there is flat proof, according to the manufacturers.
When they say lightweight though, they mean it. Lightweight equates to less material on the tire, therefore less rubber to prevent something from penetrating, cutting, or tearing the tire. Lots of these tires are thin as can be. Great lightweight tires, not much protection from foreign objects. It shouldn't, and I don't think it does, surprise anyone that really light tires will cut, puncture, more easily than a more robust tire.

Marketing hype maybe, but are you saying that there isn't a puncture resistant belt underneath the tread? I expect Vittoria didn't just pull that 40% out of a hat and that they've done the work to substantiate their claim. Lightweight, yes, but still designed for road use and I expected not a year but more than two weeks use at least. Perhaps it was bad luck, but mine look like they've been introduced to Freddy Kruger. After a week I had to line them with tape to see them through (I could see through them!) until I could replace!

Really, I don't think that this was inexperience on my part and/or falling for hype; I have used Pro Races for years before and since, all year round (and even for the commute through Hackney -hell for tyres) so I know what to expect and the limitations of a lightweight race tyre. In this case it just wasn't met; but there are many factors to consider here....

Lets take this one at a time.
Puncture resistant belt... A piece of paper is puncture resistant. Right? Not very, but still a true statement. Plus the tire was cut not punctured.

40%... A nice figure. Accurate??? To be honest they don't have to prove this to you. If you doubt it you need to prove them wrong. Good luck with that. I doubt they pulled 40% out of a hat. I'm thinking some other place.


Bad luck... Now you're talking sense.

.... limitations of a lightweight race tire......Classic example that you have there.
Expensive, not very durable(sometimes even in the short term), can be turned into a piece of trash by something that a heavier tire would not have anywhere near that kind of problem with.

Don't think that you are something special with this. Everyone on this forum has probably lost a nice new expensive tire to some road hazard once or twice or more.

Yes, I guess that this thread will serve some use at least by reminding those, including myself, who've bought expensive (race-specific shall we say) tyres for general use (in which I'd class weekend use and sportive use) in all weathers and British 'tarmac', I should add, when in fact they're really not intended for such use? Although the manufacturer will probably not say so explicitly.

Even though I've used this class of tyre for general use (Pro Races) and have found them to be above expectation, I shouldn't really have extended that expectation to the Corsas. Also, I must've been particularly unlucky with the Corsas- they're almost in ribbons.

And I didn't mean to come across that naive re the manufacturer's claims, but they're sometimes all you have to go on- in this case there's also Vittoria's rep. At least we have this thread now

pianoman

Vittoria Open Corsas always seem to come out in the top five in rolling resistance tests, which is no doubt part of their appeal, but why would you want to chance them for everyday riding when a race situation is all that they would be useful for?

They're surely not a tyre to stack miles on, wouldn't you be best off saving them for when you really NEEDED them? I guess the same goes for Veloflex Records (the RR test winners every time).

That's why I'm sticking with my Panaracer Evo 3's................

batch78

WARNING!

Don't buy Rubino Pros, I've managed to split two sidewalls this winter/spring, oh and worn a Scwalbe Lugano through to the casing, and a riding partner punctured twice on GP4000s last weekend.

Solid tyres are the future!!!

FFS. :roll:

Mettan

Just a quickie - Carlos Sastre (the 2008 Tour de France winner..) - this is his Cervelo bike with some Vittoria Open Corsa Evo CX's on it - Sastre's Cervelo Team trained on Vittoria Open Corsa EVO CX 23 mm clinchers in the 2009 season (and still do in the 2010 season..). Those tyres must have some redeeming qualities.. no? - Anyways -

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/tech/200 ... testeam_s3

Vittoria tyres are currently used by Rabobank, Cervelo Test Team, Garmin, Lampre, Euskatel Euskadi amongst others.

Mettan

double post

huuregeil

Rokkala wrote:

Been using mine for well over a month, 5 days a week for racing and training, on some horrible surfaces too. Not had a puncture and the tyres are still in very good condition.

Just checked mine about for little nicks and cuts and can't see any.

Might help if you stated your weight and what pressures you normally use?

+1. 1700miles on mine, zero punctures, and only one cut caused by a bit of embedded glass that I fished out (so the puncture belt does work!). Almost through to the casing on the rear, but that's another story! Of course, a rock can nail any tyre in a binary event but, again, this can hit any tyre.

What are your weight and pressures? I'm 70kg and run these with 105/110psi front/rear. I'm probably willing to bet you pumped these up quite hard to get the cutting effect?!