Rider Down - apparent fatality

il_principe
il_principe Posts: 9,155
edited April 2010 in Commuting chat
Rider Down - Oxford Street: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/ ... -street.do

Argh, according the the LFGSS thread this has become a fatality. RIP.

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  • jamesco
    jamesco Posts: 687
    That's just awful. You'd think the drivers would be trained to hit a car rather than a person, if they have to make the choice. The bus is on the sodding pavement. Unfathomable.
  • OldSkoolKona
    OldSkoolKona Posts: 655
    RIP :cry:
  • deptfordmarmoset
    deptfordmarmoset Posts: 3,118
    Ugh! RIP to another unknown cyclist, condolences to her family and friends, and I hope the pedestrian also struck down pulls through.

    From the lfgss page it sounds like the roadworks there were an accident waiting to happen.
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  • jonginge
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    :cry::cry::cry:
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  • linsen
    linsen Posts: 1,959
    very sad indeed, especially as these things are so avoidable
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  • Stevo_666
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    Terrible - condolences to the family. :cry:
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  • spasypaddy
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    i noticed the road was closed with a police officer when i was riding home from RP this evening. didnt think it was something like this. terrible news

    :(

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  • hells
    hells Posts: 175
    It is incredibly tragic and avoidable. But I do not blame the bus driver. I blame the car driver who suddenly and dangerously pulled out. The bus driver did what anyone would naturally do, something unexpectedly pulled out with no warning in front of him/her in a split second his/her brain instinctively made him/her swerve away from the object in front of them. Unfortunately this time there were people in the direction of their swerve. No matter how much training they are given a person will still act on natural instinct in such sceanarios. They do not have the luxury of time to think in these situations. The bus driver will forever have this on their concious and probably is thinking why didnt i drive into the car instead of swerving.
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  • spen666
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    hells wrote:
    It is incredibly tragic and avoidable. But I do not blame the bus driver. I blame the car driver who suddenly and dangerously pulled out. The bus driver did what anyone would naturally do, something unexpectedly pulled out with no warning in front of him/her in a split second his/her brain instinctively made him/her swerve away from the object in front of them. Unfortunately this time there were people in the direction of their swerve. No matter how much training they are given a person will still act on natural instinct in such sceanarios. They do not have the luxury of time to think in these situations. The bus driver will forever have this on their concious and probably is thinking why didnt i drive into the car instead of swerving.

    a) its far too early to be casting blame and without knowledge of all the facts, you are simply jumping to conclusions.

    Wait until all the facts are known before starting to blame individuals


    You are basing your blame on the basis of what? half a sentence in a news report? Hardly the most reliable evidence is it?
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  • rolf_f
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    spen666 wrote:
    a) its far too early to be casting blame and without knowledge of all the facts, you are simply jumping to conclusions.

    Wait until all the facts are known before starting to blame individuals


    You are basing your blame on the basis of what? half a sentence in a news report? Hardly the most reliable evidence is it?

    You should be quoting Jamesco as well if you want to give the impression you are open minded :wink:
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  • Wallace1492
    Wallace1492 Posts: 3,707
    Very sad.
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  • MadammeMarie
    MadammeMarie Posts: 621
    R.I.P. Condolences to the family.

    This is just awful! :cry:
  • MonkeyMonster
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    Nasty indeed, RIP
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  • roger_merriman
    roger_merriman Posts: 6,165
    it is awful, but more people die crossing the roads on foot than on bike.

    I'm not sure I can pull off selective horror at one persons death while ignoring others.
  • the_hundredth_idiot
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    BBC is reporting it as a collision between two buses:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/engl ... 621087.stm
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  • jamesco
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    Rolf F wrote:
    You should be quoting Jamesco as well if you want to give the impression you are open minded :wink:

    Fair point, definitely jumped the gun, judgement taken back and suspended :P
  • hells
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    My post was based on what info has been given so far and in response to Jamesco who said drivers should be trained to drive into the other vehicle not people.
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  • DonDaddyD
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    RIP
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  • Gussio
    Gussio Posts: 2,452
    Tragic. RIP. Hope ped injured in same incident makes a recovery.

    :(
  • spen666
    spen666 Posts: 17,709
    Jamesco, Hells and others - please note.

    It is less than 24 hours since this tragic accident and the papers are now saying
    Police sources said the driver of the double-decker appeared to have lost concentration and crushed the cyclist as she passed a bus stop. The bus became impaled on part of the shelter, with its windscreen smashed.
    This is in the Evening Standard.

    That is now 3 versions of events:

    1. Car pulled out in front of bus
    2. Two buses collided
    3. Bus driver lost concentration


    This is exactly why it is foolish to start apportioning blame. A simple but tragic accident and 3 different accounts have already emerged in less than 24 hours.
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  • DonDaddyD
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    spen666 wrote:
    Jamesco, Hells and others - please note.

    It is less than 24 hours since this tragic accident and the papers are now saying
    Police sources said the driver of the double-decker appeared to have lost concentration and crushed the cyclist as she passed a bus stop. The bus became impaled on part of the shelter, with its windscreen smashed.
    This is in the Evening Standard.

    That is now 3 versions of events:

    1. Car pulled out in front of bus
    2. Two buses collided
    3. Bus driver lost concentration


    This is exactly why it is foolish to start apportioning blame. A simple but tragic accident and 3 different accounts have already emerged in less than 24 hours.

    +1.

    Though there will be at least one person who will try and disagree with you. :roll:
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  • il_principe
    il_principe Posts: 9,155
    spen666 wrote:
    Jamesco, Hells and others - please note.

    It is less than 24 hours since this tragic accident and the papers are now saying
    Police sources said the driver of the double-decker appeared to have lost concentration and crushed the cyclist as she passed a bus stop. The bus became impaled on part of the shelter, with its windscreen smashed.
    This is in the Evening Standard.

    That is now 3 versions of events:

    1. Car pulled out in front of bus
    2. Two buses collided
    3. Bus driver lost concentration


    This is exactly why it is foolish to start apportioning blame. A tragic accident and 3 different accounts have already emerged in less than 24 hours.

    Fixed that for you.

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