Cyclist fined £700 for jumping red light

amnezia

http://www.brightonandhovenews.org/2010 ... fined-700/

beverick

No, he was fined a total of £700 for 'a catalogue of offences".

Less of the Daily Mail headlines please.

zanes

Good.

kelsen

beverick wrote:

Less of the Daily Mail headlines please.

Clever Pun

it's for breaking nearly every rule trying to evate the fuzz and not turning up at court...good

Rubbish thread title though

asprilla

That's not a cyclists, that's a bloke on a bike.

asprilla

Edit: double post.

iainment

Asprilla wrote:

That's not a cyclists, that's a bloke on a bike.

who happens to be a cyclist - look at your dictionary.

asprilla

iainment wrote:

Asprilla wrote:

That's not a cyclists, that's a bloke on a bike.

who happens to be a cyclist - look at your dictionary.

I'll check out pedant while I'm there as well, shall I?

londonbairn

Good, yesterday saw a few people being fined for RLJing yesterday around the city. Maybe if they done it regulary, they'd reduce the amount of dangerous cycling that affects us all.

iainment

Asprilla wrote:

iainment wrote:

Asprilla wrote:

That's not a cyclists, that's a bloke on a bike.

who happens to be a cyclist - look at your dictionary.

I'll check out pedant while I'm there as well, shall I?

Maybe I am, but I've done it for you,

Main Entry: ped·ant
Pronunciation: \ˈpe-dənt\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French, from Italian pedante
Date: 1588
1 obsolete : a male schoolteacher
2 a : one who makes a show of knowledge b : one who is unimaginative or who unduly emphasizes minutiae in the presentation or use of knowledge c : a formalist or precisionist in teaching

Still doesn't make you right though does it,


cy·clist (sklst)
n.
One who rides or races a bicycle, motorcycle, or similar vehicle.

Kieran_Burns

iainment wrote:

Asprilla wrote:

iainment wrote:

Asprilla wrote:

That's not a cyclists, that's a bloke on a bike.

who happens to be a cyclist - look at your dictionary.

I'll check out pedant while I'm there as well, shall I?

Maybe I am, but I've done it for you,

Main Entry: ped·ant
Pronunciation: \ˈpe-dənt\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French, from Italian pedante
Date: 1588
1 obsolete : a male schoolteacher
2 a : one who makes a show of knowledge b : one who is unimaginative or who unduly emphasizes minutiae in the presentation or use of knowledge c : a formalist or precisionist in teaching

Still doesn't make you right though does it,


cy·clist (sklst)
n.
One who rides or races a bicycle, motorcycle, or similar vehicle.

actually yes it does.

You've failed to realise that the initial point is to parallel the individuals actions with the term 'POB' (Pedestrian On Bike) as opposed to 'cyclist' which in the initial post (by Asprilla) refers to an exprienced and considerate bike rider.

The point being that Asprilla was differentiating us cyclists from idiots on bikes. A point you failed to pick up on, and then subsequently demonstrated the exact behaviour described in the term 'pedant'.

You might want to look up the term 'irony' with regards to the post of yours I have quoted....

zanes

Kieran_Burns wrote:

You might want to look up the term 'irony' with regards to the post of yours I have quoted....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY-rVVRZoC8

iainment

Kieran_Burns wrote:

iainment wrote:

Asprilla wrote:

iainment wrote:

Asprilla wrote:

That's not a cyclists, that's a bloke on a bike.

who happens to be a cyclist - look at your dictionary.

I'll check out pedant while I'm there as well, shall I?

Maybe I am, but I've done it for you,

Main Entry: ped·ant
Pronunciation: \ˈpe-dənt\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French, from Italian pedante
Date: 1588
1 obsolete : a male schoolteacher
2 a : one who makes a show of knowledge b : one who is unimaginative or who unduly emphasizes minutiae in the presentation or use of knowledge c : a formalist or precisionist in teaching

Still doesn't make you right though does it,


cy·clist (sklst)
n.
One who rides or races a bicycle, motorcycle, or similar vehicle.

actually yes it does.

You've failed to realise that the initial point is to parallel the individuals actions with the term 'POB' (Pedestrian On Bike) as opposed to 'cyclist' which in the initial post (by Asprilla) refers to an exprienced and considerate bike rider.

The point being that Asprilla was differentiating us cyclists from idiots on bikes. A point you failed to pick up on, and then subsequently demonstrated the exact behaviour described in the term 'pedant'.

You might want to look up the term 'irony' with regards to the post of yours I have quoted....

Someone riding a bike is a cyclist. they may be a poor cyclist, an inexperienced cyclist, a wilfully obnoxious cyclist but that is what they are. You may be a good cyclist - I don't know - but as is the object of the link above you and he are cyclists.

As to the irony, I'm not sure how that applies to this, I hope you can let me know. But in my post I did accept that I may be a pedant over this.

Wooliferkins

"A cyclist has been fined £700 for a catalogue of traffic offences including jumping a red light and cyclist on the pavement."

So he jumped a cyclist on the pavement? Is he now on the sex offenders register? If so he got off lightly.

No Subbies left at the Argus then?

shouldbeinbed

chill out its sunny and theres nice ridin' to be done.

I do not recognise that person as a 'cyclist' in the same way I don't recognise a 14 year old joyrider hooning their latest stolen car up and down my street as a driver or a £49.99 collection of metal, rubber and cables from Asda (and others) as a bicycle. superficially they may appear the same but realistically there are large differences between these things and the mainstream majority.

I'm thorouhly glad that he got a hefty fine, I'd like to see the baliffs at his door asking for it because sadly it sounds like he's got the same disregard for that as for everything else and I doubt any of the £700+ will get to the court coffers.

Also glad to see the cops taking it seriously and aiming a campaign at all road users. good on em.

Porgy

the difference between a dictionary defined cyclist and what may be termed a "proper" cyclist is one of ethics, morality and culture.

A true cyclist has committed to all or part of a set of rules, ethics, values, etc. A philosophy if you will. Through a process of learning to ride, interacting with other cyclists, getting involved with cycling issues - they acquire a set of values.

Someone just hopping on a bike does not necessarily have this set of values. They may well be opposed to this set of values - eg, a motorist who has lost his license for careless or dangerous driving. The cycling community cannot hope to have any influence on this sort of cyclist as they are not part of the cycling community.

There - that's my attempt at defining a difference.

iainment

Porgy wrote:

the difference between a dictionary defined cyclist and what may be termed a "proper" cyclist is one of ethics, morality and culture.

A true cyclist has committed to all or part of a set of rules, ethics, values, etc. A philosophy if you will. Through a process of learning to ride, interacting with other cyclists, getting involved with cycling issues - they acquire a set of values.

Someone just hopping on a bike does not necessarily have this set of values. They may well be opposed to this set of values - eg, a motorist who has lost his license for careless or dangerous driving. The cycling community cannot hope to have any influence on this sort of cyclist as they are not part of the cycling community.

There - that's my attempt at defining a difference.

Blimey.

Wooliferkins

Save a few bob generate your own headlines
http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/toys/dailymail/

Porgy

iainment wrote:

Porgy wrote:

the difference between a dictionary defined cyclist and what may be termed a "proper" cyclist is one of ethics, morality and culture.

A true cyclist has committed to all or part of a set of rules, ethics, values, etc. A philosophy if you will. Through a process of learning to ride, interacting with other cyclists, getting involved with cycling issues - they acquire a set of values.

Someone just hopping on a bike does not necessarily have this set of values. They may well be opposed to this set of values - eg, a motorist who has lost his license for careless or dangerous driving. The cycling community cannot hope to have any influence on this sort of cyclist as they are not part of the cycling community.

There - that's my attempt at defining a difference.

Blimey.

is that blimey good, or blimey bad?

W1

Porgy wrote:

the difference between a dictionary defined cyclist and what may be termed a "proper" cyclist is one of ethics, morality and culture.

A true cyclist has committed to all or part of a set of rules, ethics, values, etc. A philosophy if you will. Through a process of learning to ride, interacting with other cyclists, getting involved with cycling issues - they acquire a set of values.

Someone just hopping on a bike does not necessarily have this set of values. They may well be opposed to this set of values - eg, a motorist who has lost his license for careless or dangerous driving. The cycling community cannot hope to have any influence on this sort of cyclist as they are not part of the cycling community.

There - that's my attempt at defining a difference.

Well done for just excluding thousands of cyclists from the "cycling community".

iainment

Porgy wrote:

iainment wrote:

Porgy wrote:

the difference between a dictionary defined cyclist and what may be termed a "proper" cyclist is one of ethics, morality and culture.

A true cyclist has committed to all or part of a set of rules, ethics, values, etc. A philosophy if you will. Through a process of learning to ride, interacting with other cyclists, getting involved with cycling issues - they acquire a set of values.

Someone just hopping on a bike does not necessarily have this set of values. They may well be opposed to this set of values - eg, a motorist who has lost his license for careless or dangerous driving. The cycling community cannot hope to have any influence on this sort of cyclist as they are not part of the cycling community.

There - that's my attempt at defining a difference.

Blimey.

is that blimey good, or blimey bad?

It's blimey O'Reilly.

Erm maybe a tad majestic in it's description of cyclists, who after all are just people riding a bike.

Slow1972

He's got a point though, most of the people I see RLJing going into Manchester aren't people who are doing longer commutes or look like people who ride their bikes over any length of distance or for the pleasure of it, they are people doing a few miles during their working/university day on a hack bike purely as a means to get from one place to another.

For this reason they have no affinity with other riders, don't give a flying fook whether or not RLJing causes animosity from pedestrians and motorists towards cyclists in general and RLJ because they are going so slow that if they stopped at the lights, they'd never get to work/university

EDIT: "Cool Dude" fakengers on fixies excepted, they obviously spend a few quid on their courier copycat rig and RLJ simply because they don't think the rules should apply to someone as cool as them or, more usually, because they can't stop or trackstand

Noel PT

I hate to fuel an already heated argument, but would it be fair to say that not everyone that rides a bike is necessarily a cyclist in our dictionary, but thats only because many of us have such a passion for cycling and we hate to be associated with some muppet on two wheels. Someone that drives a car is motorist whether they are good or bad at it.

W1

Slow1972 wrote:

He's got a point though, most of the people I see RLJing going into Manchester aren't people who are doing longer commutes or look like people who ride their bikes over any length of distance or for the pleasure of it, they are people doing a few miles during their working/university day on a hack bike purely as a means to get from one place to another.

For this reason they have no affinity with other riders, don't give a flying fook whether or not RLJing causes animosity from pedestrians and motorists towards cyclists in general and RLJ because they are going so slow that if they stopped at the lights, they'd never get to work/university

EDIT: "Cool Dude" fakengers on fixies excepted, they obviously spend a few quid on their courier copycat rig and RLJ simply because they don't think the rules should apply to someone as cool as them or, more usually, because they can't stop or trackstand

Most of the people I see RLJ-ing in London are "all the gear" roadies!

Noel PT

I honestly couldn't tell you who specifically does it. I see all sorts RLJ. But since seeing a guy getting hit by an ambulance last year, I will never do it again. Talk about irony.

cee

shouldbeinbed wrote:

I'm thorouhly glad that he got a hefty fine, I'd like to see the baliffs at his door asking for it because sadly it sounds like he's got the same disregard for that as for everything else and I doubt any of the £700+ will get to the court coffers.

He will no doubt swap it for Community Service.....I think 1 hour of CS knocks £5 off your fine so....clickety.....3500 hours of community service should do the trick.....

mcj78

Wooliferkins wrote:

"A cyclist has been fined £700 for a catalogue of traffic offences including jumping a red light and cyclist on the pavement."

Hehe - spotted, although it appears to suggest he jumped a cyclist, and a set of red lights - both of which were on the pavement, sounds like quite an impressive maneuvre - who was this man?...

amnezia

Wooliferkins wrote:

Save a few bob generate your own headlines
http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/toys/dailymail/

HOODY WEARING LYCRA LOUT ON BENEFITS RECEIVES £700 FINE. ARE NEW LABOUR TO BLAME? :P

Greg T

This madness won't stop until cyclists are forced to pay road tax like everyone else - AND registers their bikes....

I'm outraged.

Kieran_Burns

Greg T wrote:

This madness won,t stop until cyclist's are forced to pay road tax like everyone else - AND registers there bikes....

I,m outraged.

edited for realism...