Are Look Keo Sprints discontinued?

gabriel959

Hi guys,

I am looking at Look pedals and have noticed that there is a pedal that sits in between the Keo Classic and the Keo 2 Max, the Sprint but this doesn't appear in the Look website anymore.

Anyone knows if its being discontinued? Is it worth getting that one instead of the Classics?

Gabriel

DIESELDOG

Still available in white but out of stock with Fishers, the supplier. That said, I'm showing loads in stock of the white ones.

gabriel959

i have seen plenty off stock around, wiggle, crc, etc. I was just womdering why they dont appear on looks website anymore...

Down the Road

Yes they are.

Weren't very popular and the new Keo max is a vast improvement at no extra cost (Sprints have been held low in price due to lack of sell)

the_prophet

whys the max a vast improvement out of interest? whats changed? just ordered a set of the sprints a couple of days back thats all.....

gabriel959

thanks, would you say they are worth it at 52 quid compared to 42 for the classics?

redddraggon

gabriel959 wrote:

thanks, would you say they are worth it at 52 quid compared to 42 for the classics?

The sprints have stiffer springs.

I have the classics and the spring tension goes up quite high. Easily high enough for all but by tracking sprinting I reckon.

I'd not necessarily listen to "Down the road", he has a history of irrationality.

Down the Road

Yeah they should be about £85 and the Classics at £60.

At 52 get them now

DIESELDOG

Down the Road wrote:

Yeah they should be about £85 and the Classics at £60.

At 52 get them now

Doing them cheaper than that.

Pokerface

the_prophet wrote:

whys the max a vast improvement out of interest? whats changed? just ordered a set of the sprints a couple of days back thats all.....

The Max has a wider base. More contact with your foot.

redddraggon

Pokerface wrote:

the_prophet wrote:

whys the max a vast improvement out of interest? whats changed? just ordered a set of the sprints a couple of days back thats all.....

The Max has a wider base. More contact with your foot.

Cleat is still the same though, so the "more contact" thing is just marketing

gabriel959

DIESELDOG wrote:

Down the Road wrote:

Yeah they should be about £85 and the Classics at £60.

At 52 get them now

Doing them cheaper than that.

Where? In red? Thanks

DIESELDOG

gabriel959 wrote:

DIESELDOG wrote:

Down the Road wrote:

Yeah they should be about £85 and the Classics at £60.

At 52 get them now

Doing them cheaper than that.

Where? In red? Thanks

PM replied to, only have white though.

the_prophet

redddraggon wrote:

Pokerface wrote:

the_prophet wrote:

whys the max a vast improvement out of interest? whats changed? just ordered a set of the sprints a couple of days back thats all.....

The Max has a wider base. More contact with your foot.

Cleat is still the same though, so the "more contact" thing is just marketing

good to know, thanks

Down the Road

For Red Draggon

P=F/A (Pressure = Force over Area)

More cleat in contact with pedal equals less pressure on the foot. Hence the change to make the area greater than PD-6620

redddraggon

Down the Road wrote:

For Red Draggon

P=F/A (Pressure = Force over Area)

More cleat in contact with pedal equals less pressure on the foot. Hence the change to make the area greater than PD-6620

I posted previously on this thread, most of what you say is nonsense.

A few points:

1. if the pedal is bigger but the cleat is still the same the contact area doesn't increase. Keo Max v Sprint, same cleat, same contact area.
2. What have Shimano pedals got to do with this discussion?
3. Your display of basic science does not impress me.

hamstrich

Down the Road wrote:

For Red Draggon

P=F/A (Pressure = Force over Area)

More cleat in contact with pedal equals less pressure on the foot. Hence the change to make the area greater than PD-6620

I can see what you're trying to get at, but it's wrong. The extremely stiff soles of modern road cycling shoes mean that there's pressure is effectively spread across the whole area of the foot that you're pushing down with, so that pedal/shoe contact area is makes very little difference in the efficiency of power transfer.

redddraggon

hamstrich wrote:

Down the Road wrote:

For Red Draggon

P=F/A (Pressure = Force over Area)

More cleat in contact with pedal equals less pressure on the foot. Hence the change to make the area greater than PD-6620

I can see what you're trying to get at, but it's wrong. The extremely stiff soles of modern road cycling shoes mean that there's pressure is effectively spread across the whole area of the foot that you're pushing down with, so that pedal/shoe contact area is makes very little difference in the efficiency of power transfer.

Well he's sort of right, if the bolts holding the cleats onto the shoes are further apart from each other, the pressure applied to the foot will be lower, because even the stiffest of carbon soles flex, even if it is not noticeable. So basically what he is talking about is correct but irrelevant.

The Look Keo Max has a bigger pedal surface than the old Look Keos, however because the cleats are the same between the pedals the increases surface area of the pedal is meaningless.

However the best advantage of the Look Keo Maxs is the metal "insert" on the pedal body that should limit wear in that area.

bigmat

Sprints are a fair bit lighter than Classics and the red ones look nice. I agree that the whole "contact area" thing is not really that relevant if you have decent stiff soled shoes. I've ridden 100 miles plus (FWC in fact) in SPDs with no issues at all. I'm sure there are marginal gains, and I use Keos normally on my road bikes, but the difference between Keo and Keo Max is surely so insignificant as to be meaningless?!

gabriel959

MatHammond wrote:

Sprints are a fair bit lighter than Classics and the red ones look nice. I agree that the whole "contact area" thing is not really that relevant if you have decent stiff soled shoes. I've ridden 100 miles plus (FWC in fact) in SPDs with no issues at all. I'm sure there are marginal gains, and I use Keos normally on my road bikes, but the difference between Keo and Keo Max is surely so insignificant as to be meaningless?!

Yeah, 10g each per pedal!!!

Classics are also in red, so its not really a problem. Its the main thing why I am changing them, that and the fact that the cleats are cheaper.

rokkala

I picked up some of the Max pedals on the cheap as a replacement for some Sprints. One thing i can definitely say is that clipping in is a lot easier than with the Sprints. For me anyway.

nmcgann

gabriel959 wrote:

thanks, would you say they are worth it at 52 quid compared to 42 for the classics?

Yes - as others have said, the spring tension goes higher on the Sprints. I've got 2 pairs of Sprints and 1 pair of Classics and the spring tension is only just high enough for me on the Classics.

bigmat

gabriel959 wrote:

MatHammond wrote:

Sprints are a fair bit lighter than Classics and the red ones look nice. I agree that the whole "contact area" thing is not really tha relevant if you have decent stiff soled shoes. I've ridden 100 miles plus (FWC in fact) in SPDs with no issues at all. I'm sure there are marginal gains, and I use Keos normally on my road bikes, but the difference between Keo and Keo Max is surely so insignificant as to be meaningless?!

Yeah, 10g each per pedal!!!

Classics are also in red, so its not really a problem. Its the main thing why I am changing them, that and the fact that the cleats are cheaper.

Is it really only 10g per pedal?! I'd so then not really significant. I could've sworn classics didn't come on red when I get mine but that was a couple of years ago.

gabriel959

well, classics are 280g and sprints 260g and they both come in red