Big Brother is watching you.
Fantastic Mr Fox
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8561367.stm
Silly amounts of CCTV, ID cards and now this...
I'm off to live in the Australian outback, who wants to set up a commune with me?
Silly amounts of CCTV, ID cards and now this...
I'm off to live in the Australian outback, who wants to set up a commune with me?
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Couldn't give a rats tbh... if all this prevents me from being blown up then i'm all for it.
I've got nothing to hide....0 -
Same here - i don't see what all the fuss is about - so what if they know what i'm up to? If you're not breaking the law, then you've got nothing to worry about.
We'll be thanking them when all the camera's lead to a drop in bike theft0 -
So you don't think there is anything wrong with invasion of privacy, and that this is just another step towards a police state?0
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Gotta say in certain area's im not against but not everywhere...
I like my privacy, and i don't agree with all the laws of the state, but hey they are forced onto me..just like survelance and all sorts will be0 -
A.Palmer wrote:So you don't think there is anything wrong with invasion of privacy, and that this is just another step towards a police state?
I don't see it as an invasion of privacy. They're not looking into your house. They only see you when you're outside - at which point anyone can see you. Sorry, but i just see it as, i've got nothing to hide, so watch me all you like.0 -
bigbenj_08 wrote:if all this prevents me from being blown up then i'm all for it.
Will it? The surveillance we have now didn't stop the 7/7 bombings, and neither would ID cards have. Will this be any different? Or is it just an erosion of privacy and a splurge of public cash with no benefit? It'll make some people feel safer I'm sure but we all know that the fear of crime is completely unrelated to the risk of being a victim of crime, so equally making people feel safer is completely unrelated to making them safer.
Mostly CCTV just means we have nice pictures of what happened after it's happened, so we can cover the news with pictures of burning cars at Glasgow airport forever and freak people out more, but no amount of surveillance would have done anything to prevent it.Uncompromising extremist0 -
bigbenj_08 wrote:Couldn't give a rats tbh... if all this prevents me from being blown up then i'm all for it.
I've got nothing to hide....
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Fantastic Mr Fox wrote:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8561367.stm
Silly amounts of CCTV, ID cards and now this...
I'm off to live in the Australian outback, who wants to set up a commune with me?
It'll no doubt be excellent at picking out politcal protesters - say goodbye to the right to meaningful protest.0 -
Saying 'I've got nothing to hide so I don't care' is really just sticking your head in the sand while your government is eroding your civil liberties. If they get away with one thing, they will continue to go along the same route until they watch everything you do. And to be honest it doesn't matter whether or not you're doing something illegal, obeying the law doesn't mean the state should have some devine right to watch everything you do. I don't know if you've seen this http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jan/2 ... lan-drones , but if that is true, are you happy to have them CCTV blimps floating around watching your every move?0
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bigbenj_08 wrote:Couldn't give a rats tbh... if all this prevents me from being blown up then i'm all for it.
The other thing our unaccountable poltiicans would like to do is sell more wepaons abroad that may or may not be used to suppress people, or may or may not end up being used by terrorists against us.I've got nothing to hide....0 -
Porgy
Stop worrying. More CCTV teamed with ID cards is a great idea.
If we'd had ID cards before the tube suicide bombings then under 'Occupation' on the ID cards of the bombers it would have said 'Terrorist', so they'd never have been allowed to buy the ingredients to make the bombs, simple.
I must say, I was impressed with the 'protest' shown in Taking Liberties (I think that's what it was called) where a few thousand people all turned up at the same police station at the same time to register their own individual protests, seeing as protests now have to be pre-approved by the state. I think the attitude was "If they want paperwork, then we'll give them plenty of it"0 -
http://www.no2id.net/news/events#245
As you mentioned ID cards - I have received an invitation to join the above protests on Saturday in London.0 -
Everybody's entitled to their own opinion. You obviously feel quite strongly against it. Personally, i couldn't really give a fcuk either way.0
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Most people couldn't give a f*ck - I know that. The politicians know this and have been systematically taking advantage of this fact for the last 30 odd years.
It won;t be you living with the consequences - it'll be your grandchildren who'll lose their freedom.0 -
Porgy wrote:Most people couldn't give a f*ck - I know that. The politicians know this and have been systematically taking advantage of this fact for the last 30 odd years.
It won;t be you living with the consequences - it'll be your grandchildren who'll lose their freedom.
Look at the general forum demographic though. Fortunately wiser heads do actually exist outside of forumland0 -
i think that technlogy is superb, i think it is a real step forward in th use of cctv and will make the cctv more effective.
there are a lot of folk spouting about breaches of privacy and i suppose i see your point, no one like being watched but in my opinion, its not a problem if you're not doing anything wrong.
for the folk who hate cctv, give me a tangible reason why, im just curious as i feel like im missing the point.
the whole point about existing measures not having caught the rcent terrosts in our country are true, they didnt which is why newer technology is needed. people want absolute freedom and they want security and protection. you cant have it both ways, you absolutely cant.0 -
sheepsteeth wrote:there are a lot of folk spouting about breaches of privacy and i suppose i see your point, no one like being watched but in my opinion, its not a problem if you're not doing anything wrong.
Not true.
The police and politicians are very keen on clamping down on legitimate protesters who they see as troublemakers.
this will be used to prevent legitimate protest and make polticians still less accountable than they are now.0 -
And sometimes I may be doing things wrong.
I don't agree with every law of the land, simple as that. And since i harm no one else I don't really care in some ways what society thinks. in places like airports and so on I'm not against cctv and things like but... On everyday streets and so on. just No0 -
Porgy wrote:sheepsteeth wrote:there are a lot of folk spouting about breaches of privacy and i suppose i see your point, no one like being watched but in my opinion, its not a problem if you're not doing anything wrong.
Not true.
The police and politicians are very keen on clamping down on legitimate protesters who they see as troublemakers.
this will be used to prevent legitimate protest and make polticians still less accountable than they are now.
if they are troublemakers, then they should be clmaped down on, simples.Thewaylander wrote:And sometimes I may be doing things wrong.
I don't agree with every law of the land, simple as that. And since i harm no one else I don't really care in some ways what society thinks. in places like airports and so on I'm not against cctv and things like but... On everyday streets and so on. just No
but why not, dont crimes happen on streets?0 -
sheepsteeth wrote:Porgy wrote:keen on clamping down on legitimate protesters who they see as troublemakers.
if they are troublemakers, then they should be clmaped down on, simples.
If it's a legitimate protest, say something against the MPs expenses, politicians may see that as a bunch of 'troublemakers', call it illegal and have them arrested.
Where's the right to peaceful protest there?
It's like the people who were going to prtest outside a US airbase, they got stopped by the police, searched, and when they found a pair of nail scissors, they said that was a weapon. So they turned the protesters around and wouldn't let them off the coaches until they were back where they'd started.
I might think they were a bunch of shouty hippies, but they've got the right to be shouty hippies if they want to be.0 -
you're preaching to the converted, i absolutely believe in the right to free speach but i also know a little bit about how the world works and am not a blinkered hippy.
peaceful protest will always be allowed, when folk start getting rowdy it has to be contained before it turns into something nasty, i have been present holding a shield in front a "peaceful crowd" before, it want pleasant for either side of the line. and before the hippys chime in, the shields were deployed after the hippys started gobbing off.
quick question for those who like to attend protests: what has taking to the streets ever actually achieved? i only ask cause as far as i know, it never does anythng apart from annoy people who want to drive down the road you're protesting down.
Ps. "hippy" in my usage refers to anyone who generally chopses off about the wordl which looks after them pretty well.0 -
Apartide... and alot of peaceful protest in south africa...0
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Thewaylander wrote:Apartide... and alot of peaceful protest in south africa...
aah yes, that was all very peaceful. good point, i had forgotten about south africa and its history of peaceful protest.0 -
When they took our freedom of speach and got silly with political correctness I gave up caring, those are much more important to me that if I am being watched walking to the shop... :shock:0
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sheepsteeth wrote:Thewaylander wrote:Apartide... and alot of peaceful protest in south africa...
aah yes, that was all very peaceful. good point, i had forgotten about south africa and its history of peaceful protest.
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true but there were alot of peaceful protests too,
Just the bad got caught up with the good. and alot of the worst violence did come from the govermental side.
Simple as i said before the people in power do not deserve power.. and the people who deserve power don't want it... so I will take power and just run things my way... everyone must bike or die..(or be a really hot lady)0 -
There's an ominous quote I heard somewhere that I like, something like "those who make peaceful revolution impossible only make violent revolution inevitable".This is my bike, there are many like it but this one is mine0
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sheepsteeth wrote:you're preaching to the converted, i absolutely believe in the right to free speach but i also know a little bit about how the world works and am not a blinkered hippy.
peaceful protest will always be allowed, when folk start getting rowdy it has to be contained before it turns into something nasty, i have been present holding a shield in front a "peaceful crowd" before, it want pleasant for either side of the line. and before the hippys chime in, the shields were deployed after the hippys started gobbing off.
quick question for those who like to attend protests: what has taking to the streets ever actually achieved? i only ask cause as far as i know, it never does anythng apart from annoy people who want to drive down the road you're protesting down.
Ps. "hippy" in my usage refers to anyone who generally chopses off about the wordl which looks after them pretty well.
Sheepsteeth - I don;t want to fall out over this but I have to reply.
I've attended demos and protests since I joined the Labour Party in the early 80s.
The left has achieved all it's major aims through protest - from workers rights (safety, good pay etc.), rights for women only came in after period of protest in the 60s and 70s - gay rights achieved entirely through protest, etc. There's a whole history. There's even a pretty convincing argument that the Vietnam war was ended through protest.
I was massively involved in environemntal protests in the 90s - which i know will get me into trouble - but we achieved a lot then. A U turn in government's road building and transport policy - putting climate change on the international agenda - forcing the EU to enact environmental legistation etc. And crucially - we changed public perception of the environment and made society generally more receptive to responsible pro-environemnt policies and legislation.
Illegal acts by governments are routinely discovered by protesters' actions - such as selling arms to oppressive countries. Arms dealing for example - a pratice wherin our governemnt regularly breaks international law - is only regulated by protesters. The police work witht he arms dealers to keep protesters out - and with more technology will have more success allowing illegal deals to go on behind closed doors. Illegal deals wherin the safety of British citizens is not considered.
If you follow these things it so clearly acts as a check against the worst excesses of the politicians and the corporations (who are entirely unaccountable) of this and all "democratic" countries.
On 'hippies' - I am not one and do not accept your rather offensive defintion.
On violence at protest - in my experience the violence is started by one of two lots of people - a small number of hard core types who could be quickly idendtified and removed from any demo if the police cooperated with the demonstrators; or the police themselves. I've seen friends walloped for no good reason - ending up with blood streaming from their heads. I've seen carnival like protests whipped up into near riots by police suddenly charging and attacking in order to provoke the crowd into responding. their response is usually a flight response - but with nowehre to run it is deliberately misinterpreted as aggressive and used still further to justifiy violence against the protesters.0 -
at the end of the day, CCTV is something that people will only give their appreciation when something bad happened to them and it help to bring the criminal to justice.
like some cyclists don't like wearing helmet but they will only appreciate it when it saved their life from an accident."It is not impossible, its just improbable"
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bails87 wrote:sheepsteeth wrote:Porgy wrote:keen on clamping down on legitimate protesters who they see as troublemakers.
if they are troublemakers, then they should be clmaped down on, simples.
If it's a legitimate protest, say something against the MPs expenses, politicians may see that as a bunch of 'troublemakers', call it illegal and have them arrested.
Where's the right to peaceful protest there?
It's like the people who were going to prtest outside a US airbase, they got stopped by the police, searched, and when they found a pair of nail scissors, they said that was a weapon. So they turned the protesters around and wouldn't let them off the coaches until they were back where they'd started.
I might think they were a bunch of shouty hippies, but they've got the right to be shouty hippies if they want to be.
When I was involved in roads protests we used to get climbing and camping gear swiped by the police who claimed that they were weapons.0