Glucosamine Sulphate - Great stuff

nicensleazy

If you have any joint problems, I would highly recommend this stuff!



http://www.hollandandbarrett.com/pages/ ... prodid=345

Squillinossett

http://www.simplysupplements.net/produc ... te-1000mg/

Much cheaper, same stuff!

I will try to did the report that someone linked on muscletalk testing alot of different supps, there is no difference between this and the H&B stuff!

I have an awful left shoulder from all the years of heavy lifting, when I stop taking this - pain comes back, really does work, and I would recommend that 99% of people would benefit from taking this.

1500mg/200mg ed if no pre existing problem

I use 4000mg and MSN @ 1000mg a day (advised dose by the specialist at musculoskeletal clinic)

sicknote

Squillinossett wrote:

http://www.simplysupplements.net/product/349/glucosamine-sulphate-1000mg/

Much cheaper, same stuff!

I will try to did the report that someone linked on muscletalk testing alot of different supps, there is no difference between this and the H&B stuff!

I have an awful left shoulder from all the years of heavy lifting, when I stop taking this - pain comes back, really does work, and I would recommend that 99% of people would benefit from taking this.

1500mg/200mg ed if no pre existing problem

I use 4000mg and MSN @ 1000mg a day (advised dose by the specialist at musculoskeletal clinic)

Thanks for that as I need to get some more.

Squillinossett

Your welcome mate. I am useless at advising anythign bike wise, but ask me a supp or diet question

hopper1

Really!?... I suffer from a very uncomfortable left shoulder joint from years of lifting and also using certain equipment at work.
I'll give this a try

Squillinosset wrote:

Your welcome mate. I am useless at advising anythign bike wise, but ask me a supp or diet question

Ok... what should I be eating, instead of Maltezers?

sicknote

Squillinossett wrote:

Your welcome mate. I am useless at advising anythign bike wise, but ask me a supp or diet question

I know about it because my wife was in the health food trade for about 12 years ( GNC for part of it )

Philby

Used glucosamine for a few years now, and combined with some leg exercises has seemed to get rid of the knee pain I suffered on and off with for years.

AMcD

I've got dodgy knees and have been taking 1000-1500mg for a few years now. Knees not so bad and fine on the bike (kneeling down is the hardest thing and forget about running), however I have pain down both arms and movement such as drying hair, putting on bra, pulling bedclothes over is painful.

I will up my doseage to 4000mg as Squillinoset does as I seem to be taking only enough for someone with no pre-existing condition. Glad I read this thread!

holybinch

AMcD:

Are you sure the problem comes from your joints and is not muscular?
I'm taking glucosamine and fish oil, which certainly helped for my joints.
I tend to have muscles cramps, and some kind of "tingling/itch" in my jaw muscles.
I found magnesium helps a lot...

bigmat

I've got dodgy knees, took glucosamine when training for the etape a couple of years ago and seemed to help, so much so that knees are no problem when cycling now. Have been training for marathon over the last few months though and has been playing havoc with my knees, so have ordered some more tablets (cheers for the link!) - how many a day should I be taking? Think I need to do some stretches / physio as well which has been advised in the past. God kind of took his eye off the ball a bit when it came to knees disn't he!

hugo15

@Squillinossett

Does your wife know whethe there are any longer term issues with takes glucosamine. i've been taking it off and on for a couple of years now and was wondering if there were any issues?

AMcD

holybinch wrote:

AMcD:

Are you sure the problem comes from your joints and is not muscular?
I'm taking glucosamine and fish oil, which certainly helped for my joints.
I tend to have muscles cramps, and some kind of "tingling/itch" in my jaw muscles.
I found magnesium helps a lot...

Hi holybinch, I'm sure the knee pain is from the joints but the arm pain is probably a muscle strain that doesn't seem to go away. Do you think I should try magnesium for my arms? I've also noticed pain in my hands, wrists and outside of one elbow lately - I suspect it's due to the many years cycling in the cold before Goretex gloves came into being - also years of typing.

JohnnyAllez

hopper1 wrote:

Really!?... I suffer from a very uncomfortable left shoulder joint from years of lifting and also using certain equipment at work.
I'll give this a try

Squillinosset wrote:

Your welcome mate. I am useless at advising anythign bike wise, but ask me a supp or diet question

Ok... what should I be eating, instead of Maltezers?

Eating Maltesers !! That`s where you`re going wrong. I thought they were a suppository :?

Squillinossett

hugo15 wrote:

@Squillinossett

Does your wife know whethe there are any longer term issues with takes glucosamine. i've been taking it off and on for a couple of years now and was wondering if there were any issues?

I have not read anything to indicate that this may be the case! Mrs squill certainly wouldnt know either!

holybinch

AMcD wrote:

holybinch wrote:

AMcD:

Are you sure the problem comes from your joints and is not muscular?
I'm taking glucosamine and fish oil, which certainly helped for my joints.
I tend to have muscles cramps, and some kind of "tingling/itch" in my jaw muscles.
I found magnesium helps a lot...

Hi holybinch, I'm sure the knee pain is from the joints but the arm pain is probably a muscle strain that doesn't seem to go away. Do you think I should try magnesium for my arms? I've also noticed pain in my hands, wrists and outside of one elbow lately - I suspect it's due to the many years cycling in the cold before Goretex gloves came into being - also years of typing.

Just like Mr Squill, I have the luck (?!) to have a partner in nutrition (Nutritional therapist actually)
Dentist couldn't find what was wrong with my jaw, same thing for the doctor.
Magnesium has really helped.

Magnesium is believed to facilitate relaxation including muscle relaxation (which in my case proved essential).
It also facilitates oxygen delivery to working muscle tissue.

Pain in hands and wrists, especially when spending years typing could be linked to carpal tunel syndrom.

soveda

holybinch wrote:

AMcD wrote:

holybinch wrote:

AMcD:

Are you sure the problem comes from your joints and is not muscular?
I'm taking glucosamine and fish oil, which certainly helped for my joints.
I tend to have muscles cramps, and some kind of "tingling/itch" in my jaw muscles.
I found magnesium helps a lot...

Hi holybinch, I'm sure the knee pain is from the joints but the arm pain is probably a muscle strain that doesn't seem to go away. Do you think I should try magnesium for my arms? I've also noticed pain in my hands, wrists and outside of one elbow lately - I suspect it's due to the many years cycling in the cold before Goretex gloves came into being - also years of typing.

Just like Mr Squill, I have the luck (?!) to have a partner in nutrition (Nutritional therapist actually)
Dentist couldn't find what was wrong with my jaw, same thing for the doctor.
Magnesium has really helped.

Magnesium is believed to facilitate relaxation including muscle relaxation (which in my case proved essential).
It also facilitates oxygen delivery to working muscle tissue.

Pain in hands and wrists, especially when spending years typing could be linked to carpal tunel syndrom.

How does it facilitate oxygen delivery? I can't really see a plausible mechanism.

Incidentally, the evidence for glucosamine/chondroitin in painful joints is fairly shaky. David Colhoun's site has some info on it:http://www.dcscience.net/?p=81#more-81

neeb

Incidentally, the evidence for glucosamine/chondroitin in painful joints is fairly shaky.

That's what I found when I looked into it a couple of years back. On the other hand, it DID seem to help with the knee problem I had at the time. But it might have just been the better pedal setup and passage of time since the original injury, who knows?

As regards long term effects, some people have speculated about possible (I mean, conceivable) interference with glucose metabolism, but studies have shown that this doesn't seem to happen. Personally I remember feeling very healthy while I was taking it. This is completely speculative and uninformed, but I wonder if it could just be a good thing to take anyway now and again, simply because it is something we probably got more of in our diet in the past. It's made from the shells of crustaceans I think, and is something that you would only get in your diet if you ate insects, shellfish shells, bones, things like that... (I guess we can synthesize it otherwise?). But I bet as hunter gatherers we munched on stuff like that far more often than we do nowadays.

andydad

I've been using glucosamine with chondroitin, mainly because I read somewhere that it was better. Am I just wasting money by buying this? Would I be just as well getting glucosamine on its own?

Andy

neeb

I've been using glucosamine with chondroitin, mainly because I read somewhere that it was better. Am I just wasting money by buying this? Would I be just as well getting glucosamine on its own?

I think there's as much, or more, evidence for it working better together with chondroitin as there is for it working at all. So if you are going to bother taking it at all, it would be a good bet to take the combined pills. But you could be wasting your money either way, the jury's still out!

nicensleazy

I seem to get a benifit

hopper1

I started taking this 3 days ago, and whether it's the Glucosamine, or just in my head, it does appear to be working.
I'm using 4500mg/day... Trust me to buy the 750mg tablets :roll:

Ands

andydad wrote:

I've been using glucosamine with chondroitin, mainly because I read somewhere that it was better. Am I just wasting money by buying this? Would I be just as well getting glucosamine on its own?

Andy

Mr Ands swears by Flexicose which is liquid glucosamine with chondroitin. He has tried a large variety of glucosamine products over the years and this is the only one that works for him. If he ever forgets to take it away with him when he travels he notices it within a few days. He has knee probs (chrondomalcia, osteo arthritis).

fishyweb

I use Healthspan's 750mg Glucosamine tables (2 per day), and they enable me to run pain-free. I used to have a dreadful pain in my knee when running (or walking) downhill, but totally sorted since I started taking this.

holybinch

soveda wrote:

How does it facilitate oxygen delivery? I can't really see a plausible mechanism.

Apologies, wrong formulation...
may contribute would be better:

The effect of Mg on exercise has been reported in several studies. There may be an inverse correlation between the maximal voluntary contraction force of the quadriceps femoris muscle and serum Mg levels 74. Plasma Mg was significantly correlated with maximal oxygen consumption among athletes but only a weak association was found in untrained men 75,76. No correlation was found in a recent study 77. When a relationship between maximal oxygen consumption, which is dependent on oxygen delivery to the working muscle, and plasma Mg is observed in athletes, it may represent a cellular adaptation of Mg metabolism to physical training. Mg may contribute to the facilitation of oxygen delivery to the working muscle by the production of 2,3-diphosphoglycerate in the erythrocyte 75.

sicknote

andydad wrote:

I've been using glucosamine with chondroitin, mainly because I read somewhere that it was better. Am I just wasting money by buying this? Would I be just as well getting glucosamine on its own?

Andy

If I remember right ( what wife told me when I started taking it ), that the chrondroitin helps transport the glucosamine.

Will ask when see comes back from work.

sampras38

Recommended dose is 1500mg a day to be taken with meals. From my experience the powder is a little more effective than the tablets and I used to use it a lot when heavily into the tennis.

amck111

Glucosamine Sulphate got my knees through a marathon last year, can not recommend it enough. If you're getting sore joints, buy some Glucosamine!

milese

Philby wrote:

Used glucosamine for a few years now, and combined with some leg exercises has seemed to get rid of the knee pain I suffered on and off with for years.

What are the exercises?

cheaptricks

I work out hard 3 times a week with running and weights. I got numerous injuries to sholder, knee elbow from to much living and I take liquid glucosamine with Collagen and Glucosamine Complex (HCL & Sulfate). really without the sulfate the glucosamine dosent do much good. take a look at webmed they got a load of info on there about it, just taking glucosamine will not help. IMO. the one I use is pretty pricy, but its really high quality product that is imported in to the UK from USA. http://www.novadetox.co.uk/acatalog/gmc2-liquid-joint-care.html

Some researchers think the “sulfate” part of glucosamine sulfate is also important. Sulfate is needed by the body to produce cartilage. This is one reason why researchers believe that glucosamine sulfate might work better than other forms of glucosamine such as glucosamine hydrochloride or N-acetyl glucosamine. These other forms do not contain sulfate.

So there you have it. If you are going to get people carping on about the wonders of products from the high street its worth doing your reaserch first. Again in my personal opinion.

Another point worth mentioning is, that some people have a negative reaction to glcosamine, my mother for example who is a keen mountain biker started taking liquig glucosamine (not this brand) and suffered from upset stomach. I belive this may be due to the fact that glucosamine plays a role in the the digestion as well.

pcaley

I used it for several years and did not notice any significant difference. Interestingly I know a pharmacist who tells me that there is no scientific evidence to support glucosamine sulphate, so you are better off sticking to fish oil.

rolf_f

pcaley wrote:

I used it for several years and did not notice any significant difference. Interestingly I know a pharmacist who tells me that there is no scientific evidence to support glucosamine sulphate, so you are better off sticking to fish oil.

This does appear to be true though, of course, that doesn't mean that the placebo effect doesn't count for something - as can be seen in this thread!