The World's Gone Mad...
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Pokerface wrote:
dont we know that
http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtop ... t=12674968
I never do get why people go out to get drunk... yuo are spending moned to have a good time... but they also drink so much that they forget the good time they have paid to have.
I would have no issue with walking though an arch on a night out but i think haveing an intoxication test b4 you got served would do more.Nothing in life can not be improved with either monkeys, pirates or ninjas
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Bikerbaboon wrote:Pokerface wrote:
dont we know that
http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtop ... t=12674968
I never do get why people go out to get drunk... yuo are spending moned to have a good time... but they also drink so much that they forget the good time they have paid to have.
I would have no issue with walking though an arch on a night out but i think haveing an intoxication test b4 you got served would do more.
Can I put this in perspective please? I wasn't out of control - I was just nicely inebriated - I could walk and talk fine - I wasn't out of control, and i was just on my way home - not even staggering. TBH I think the mud stains all over me were the problem in my case. the combination of having had 4 or 5 beers and having mud all over me madethe ociffer suspicious.
My god - i didn;t realise I'd end up being judged by the Bike Radar temperance society!! :evil:0 -
Bikerbaboon wrote:
Yes. but in this case I didn;t. So what? I'm allowed to.0 -
Bikerbaboon wrote:[but they also drink so much that they forget the good time they have paid to have.
To put it in perspective once again - last time I drank that much was in 1989. I think there may have been one time before that.
Drunk is a relative term - I didn;t say sh*tfaced - said drunk - which for me can happen after two pints.0 -
Pokerface wrote:Cressers wrote:'Safety Arch'!
How do our freedoms become eroded?
I'm curious - what freedom exactly is being infringed upon in this case? And what about MY freedoms to live in a city without fear of being stabbed to death on a Saturday night?
It's ridiculous to think that you can have the right for bad things not to happen to you. You can only have rights as far as it is a meaningful concept. You cannot have rights not to be the vicitim of crime becasue criminals do not recognise rights. But maybe you can have the right to defend yourself - or for protection from the police. But then what you demand as a right has to be balanced against what others demand as rights. The right for free movement without interference form the state or state agancies is a basic one i'm afraid. once we lose that one then I'm not sure what all that fuss about the soviet union was about. After all they had really low crime levels.0 -
Porgy wrote:Bikerbaboon wrote:[but they also drink so much that they forget the good time they have paid to have.
To put it in perspective once again - last time I drank that much was in 1989. I think there may have been one time before that.
Drunk is a relative term - I didn;t say sh*tfaced - said drunk - which for me can happen after two pints.
Me? I take a taxi home when I've been drinking. Well - I used to drive home afterwards, but a DWI later and I don't do that any more.
It's not my problem how you get home after drinking. I was merely pointing out that it is still against the law to be publicly intoxicated. I don't know to what degree you have to be intoxicated before you can be charged.
I suspect that if it only takes you 2 pints to get drunk and you had 5 or 6 that night, then you were probably a little less in control than you think. Hell - I was 3 times over the limit when I got pulled over and thought I was fine!
You had a bad experience, which has nothing to do with the impingement of civil liberties and more to do with 2 d!ckhead cops and you probably being a bit of an argumentative prat yourself (on the night). They probably had dealt with lots of drunken fools that night and weren't in the mood for it and your appearance wasn't doing you any favours. It's not right and I'm not defending them - just sayin'
But I bet you think about your public displays of drunkedness a little more now before you do it again. 8)0 -
Pokerface wrote:Porgy wrote:The right for free movement without interference form the state or state agancies is a basic one i'm afraid.
Fail.
But be sure to mention that to security next time you go to the airport.
This airport thing is a red herring - airports are private space. they cannot be compared to walking down the street.0 -
Pokerface wrote:But I bet you think about your public displays of drunkedness a little more now before you do it again. 8)
No - i don;t like your judgemental attitude. I am a well behaved drinker - and I was that night. If I had done something wrong they could have arrested me. they didn;t.
I have never ever done anything as monumentally stupid as drink driving - I don't even cycle after more than one pint.0 -
Pokerface wrote:You had a bad experience, which has nothing to do with the impingement of civil liberties and more to do with 2 d!ckhead cops and you probably being a bit of an argumentative prat yourself (on the night). They probably had dealt with lots of drunken fools that night and weren't in the mood for it and your appearance wasn't doing you any favours. It's not right and I'm not defending them - just sayin'
Yes I argued - they said they wanted to search me and i told them it was illegal (checked with a solicitor later who completely backed me up on that - they had no reason to search me).
Then they said they were going to arrest me - so I argued again. what would you have done?
I don;t know if they were dickhead cops - they were just the normal cops that I have had experience of.
cops are taught to read body language - I don;t give correct body language like all autistic people - and this throws cops off. The autistic society (or was it Mind?) once published a report that said only about 10% of cops had awareness of autistic behaviour. It leads to a disproportionally high number of autistic people getting into trouble with the law. this is a civl liberties issue, and I have good reason to be concerned.
EDIT - found this - so I'm guessing the report was by NAS
http://www.southyorks.police.uk/news/newssyp/policejoincampaignraiseawarenessautism
From the NAS siteRecognising persons with autism
May be nonverbal or may only repeat what is said to them; may communicate with sign language or use gestures or pointing
May not respond to 'Stop' command, may run or move away when approached, may cover ears and look away constantly
May toe-walk, have pigeon toed gait or running style
May appear as high on drugs or drunk
May react to sudden changes in routine or to sensory input eg lights, sirens, barking dogs with escalation of repetitive behaviour; pacing, hand-flapping, hitting self, screaming (temper tantrums are an expected response to fear, confusion, or frustration as an effort to stop the stimuli)
May not recognise danger or hurt eg continuing to walk with broken foot.
May not recognise police badge or understand what is expected of them
May appear argumentative, stubborn or belligerent; may say 'No!' to all questions; may ask 'Why?' incessantly
Will have difficulty interpreting body language and facial expressions
May have passive monotone voices with unusual pronunciations; often sound computer-like
May have difficulty judging personal space
May have difficulty in seeing things from a different point of view; may have difficulty predicting other peoples reaction to them
Are usually very honest, sometimes too honest; have behaviours limiting credibility with others but do not or ably tell lies; often very blunt, not tactful.0 -
If they can justify in terms of cracking down on knife / gun crime I'm all for it. It's about managing risk and making a balanced judgement & I have no serious objections. BUT shouldn't they start in the really crime ridden parts of the city first? Otherwise it does smack of a PR job a bit...?'Happiness serves hardly any other purpose than to make unhappiness possible' Marcel Proust.0
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Porgy wrote:Pokerface wrote:But I bet you think about your public displays of drunkedness a little more now before you do it again. 8)
No - i don;t like your judgemental attitude. I am a well behaved drinker - and I was that night. If I had done something wrong they could have arrested me. they didn;t.
Me? Judgemental? Naw.
But I have better things to do than argue with another bleeding heart with a sense of entitlement and an axe to grind with authority - who is clearly trying to justify his alcohol intake and seems to think it's his god-given right to walk the streets intoxicated. From your general attitude - I'd probably have arrested you if I was the police.0 -
NapoleonD wrote:Porgy wrote:
cops are taught to read body language
Who told you that?
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source ... 7vIflmF52A
Sorry if it doesnt work. Its from an American site http://www.stopcopslying.com/
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Maybe they get training in America then...0
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I was once walking home in zig zags at 3am carrying an estate agent's for sale sign and a traffic cone, when for no reason a copper stopped me (he could read from my body language that I was drunk) and gave me a warning! Infringe my civil liberties will you......!'Happiness serves hardly any other purpose than to make unhappiness possible' Marcel Proust.0
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passout wrote:I was once walking home in zig zags at 3am carrying an estate agent's for sale sign and a traffic cone, when for no reason a copper stopped me (he could read from my body language that I was drunk) and gave me a warning! Infringe my civil liberties will you......!
On a related note, the Guardian had a story yesterday about a guy arrested and held for 8 hours after twice refusing to give his details whilst taking photographs of a christmas parade in Accrignton.
Apparantly he was told that because of "everything going on in the country" and the "suspicious manner" he was taking pictures (which they had "reason to believe could be antisocial") he had ot identify himself and allow the police to make sure he wasn't some sort of devaint terrorist intent on stealing Christmas from the townsfolk. Who's benefit is that to? How does it keep anybody safe?
Link here:http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/feb/21/photographer-films-anti-terror-arrest
And another: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/video/2009/dec/15/police-terrorism"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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disgruntledgoat wrote:passout wrote:I was once walking home in zig zags at 3am carrying an estate agent's for sale sign and a traffic cone, when for no reason a copper stopped me (he could read from my body language that I was drunk) and gave me a warning! Infringe my civil liberties will you......!
On a related note, the Guardian had a story yesterday about a guy arrested and held for 8 hours after twice refusing to give his details whilst taking photographs of a christmas parade in Accrignton.
Apparantly he was told that because of "everything going on in the country" and the "suspicious manner" he was taking pictures (which they had "reason to believe could be antisocial") he had ot identify himself and allow the police to make sure he wasn't some sort of devaint terrorist intent on stealing Christmas from the townsfolk. Who's benefit is that to? How does it keep anybody safe?
Link here:http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/feb/21/photographer-films-anti-terror-arrest
And another: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/video/2009/dec/15/police-terrorism
The various terrorism acts do seem to be abused by police officers far too much...
Reading Taking Liberties really made me realise just how much the police mistreat the Anti Terrorism legislation, the police badgering people for taking photos of Christmas parades and the such like is ridiculous. Especially considering how much is now available from google streetview etc, why would any actual terrorist go to the trouble of raising attention...You live and learn. At any rate, you live0 -
Pokerface wrote:Porgy wrote:Pokerface wrote:But I bet you think about your public displays of drunkedness a little more now before you do it again. 8)
No - i don;t like your judgemental attitude. I am a well behaved drinker - and I was that night. If I had done something wrong they could have arrested me. they didn;t.
Me? Judgemental? Naw.
But I have better things to do than argue with another bleeding heart with a sense of entitlement and an axe to grind with authority - who is clearly trying to justify his alcohol intake and seems to think it's his god-given right to walk the streets intoxicated. From your general attitude - I'd probably have arrested you if I was the police.
You have no idea of my general attitude.
I drink hardly anything but like a good night out occasionally especially when the boss is buying.
If you're not judgemental I don;t know what is; which is something coming from a convicted drink driver.
and these are the characteristics of people with AS - I cannot help some of these behaviours - what do you say to that? You keep ducking the issue.Recognising persons with autism
May be nonverbal or may only repeat what is said to them; may communicate with sign language or use gestures or pointing
May not respond to 'Stop' command, may run or move away when approached, may cover ears and look away constantly
May toe-walk, have pigeon toed gait or running style
May appear as high on drugs or drunk
May react to sudden changes in routine or to sensory input eg lights, sirens, barking dogs with escalation of repetitive behaviour; pacing, hand-flapping, hitting self, screaming (temper tantrums are an expected response to fear, confusion, or frustration as an effort to stop the stimuli)
May not recognise danger or hurt eg continuing to walk with broken foot.
May not recognise police badge or understand what is expected of them
May appear argumentative, stubborn or belligerent; may say 'No!' to all questions; may ask 'Why?' incessantly
Will have difficulty interpreting body language and facial expressions May have passive monotone voices with unusual pronunciations; often sound computer-like
May have difficulty judging personal space
May have difficulty in seeing things from a different point of view; may have difficulty predicting other peoples reaction to them
Are usually very honest, sometimes too honest; have behaviours limiting credibility with others but do not or ably tell lies; often very blunt, not tactful.
I've emphasised the important ones to help you.0 -
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passout wrote:I was once walking home in zig zags at 3am carrying an estate agent's for sale sign and a traffic cone, when for no reason a copper stopped me (he could read from my body language that I was drunk) and gave me a warning! Infringe my civil liberties will you......!
Well you should be like me and know how to handle your drink. I've never been stopped for being drunk.0 -
Porgy wrote:Pokerface wrote:Cressers wrote:'Safety Arch'!
How do our freedoms become eroded?
I'm curious - what freedom exactly is being infringed upon in this case? And what about MY freedoms to live in a city without fear of being stabbed to death on a Saturday night?
It's ridiculous to think that you can have the right for bad things not to happen to you. You can only have rights as far as it is a meaningful concept. You cannot have rights not to be the vicitim of crime becasue criminals do not recognise rights. But maybe you can have the right to defend yourself - or for protection from the police. But then what you demand as a right has to be balanced against what others demand as rights. The right for free movement without interference form the state or state agancies is a basic one i'm afraid. once we lose that one then I'm not sure what all that fuss about the soviet union was about. After all they had really low crime levels.
+1 Porgy.
I also understand your annoyance at having had a few pints and pointlessly being hassled by a couple of coppers who think they can intimidate you with threats of arrest, although I've not been in that situation myself.
I can't understand why one or two posters seem to want to take your other posting out of context and have a dig at you.0 -
Porgy wrote:Pokerface wrote:Porgy wrote:Pokerface wrote:But I bet you think about your public displays of drunkedness a little more now before you do it again. 8)
No - i don;t like your judgemental attitude. I am a well behaved drinker - and I was that night. If I had done something wrong they could have arrested me. they didn;t.
Me? Judgemental? Naw.
But I have better things to do than argue with another bleeding heart with a sense of entitlement and an axe to grind with authority - who is clearly trying to justify his alcohol intake and seems to think it's his god-given right to walk the streets intoxicated. From your general attitude - I'd probably have arrested you if I was the police.
You have no idea of my general attitude.
I drink hardly anything but like a good night out occasionally especially when the boss is buying.
If you're not judgemental I don;t know what is; which is something coming from a convicted drink driver.
and these are the characteristics of people with AS - I cannot help some of these behaviours - what do you say to that? You keep ducking the issue.Recognising persons with autism
May be nonverbal or may only repeat what is said to them; may communicate with sign language or use gestures or pointing
May not respond to 'Stop' command, may run or move away when approached, may cover ears and look away constantly
May toe-walk, have pigeon toed gait or running style
May appear as high on drugs or drunk
May react to sudden changes in routine or to sensory input eg lights, sirens, barking dogs with escalation of repetitive behaviour; pacing, hand-flapping, hitting self, screaming (temper tantrums are an expected response to fear, confusion, or frustration as an effort to stop the stimuli)
May not recognise danger or hurt eg continuing to walk with broken foot.
May not recognise police badge or understand what is expected of them
May appear argumentative, stubborn or belligerent; may say 'No!' to all questions; may ask 'Why?' incessantly
Will have difficulty interpreting body language and facial expressions May have passive monotone voices with unusual pronunciations; often sound computer-like
May have difficulty judging personal space
May have difficulty in seeing things from a different point of view; may have difficulty predicting other peoples reaction to them
Are usually very honest, sometimes too honest; have behaviours limiting credibility with others but do not or ably tell lies; often very blunt, not tactful.
I've emphasised the important ones to help you.
How's that crutch working out for you PigBoy? Made enough excuses for yourself yet?
I already told you - I have better things to do than discuss your overcompensations with you. And I'm OK with the mistakes I've made in my past - I did the crime and I did my time. You can't goad me on by bringing it up.0 -
Pokerface wrote:Porgy wrote:Pokerface wrote:Porgy wrote:Pokerface wrote:But I bet you think about your public displays of drunkedness a little more now before you do it again. 8)
No - i don;t like your judgemental attitude. I am a well behaved drinker - and I was that night. If I had done something wrong they could have arrested me. they didn;t.
Me? Judgemental? Naw.
But I have better things to do than argue with another bleeding heart with a sense of entitlement and an axe to grind with authority - who is clearly trying to justify his alcohol intake and seems to think it's his god-given right to walk the streets intoxicated. From your general attitude - I'd probably have arrested you if I was the police.
You have no idea of my general attitude.
I drink hardly anything but like a good night out occasionally especially when the boss is buying.
If you're not judgemental I don;t know what is; which is something coming from a convicted drink driver.
and these are the characteristics of people with AS - I cannot help some of these behaviours - what do you say to that? You keep ducking the issue.Recognising persons with autism
May be nonverbal or may only repeat what is said to them; may communicate with sign language or use gestures or pointing
May not respond to 'Stop' command, may run or move away when approached, may cover ears and look away constantly
May toe-walk, have pigeon toed gait or running style
May appear as high on drugs or drunk
May react to sudden changes in routine or to sensory input eg lights, sirens, barking dogs with escalation of repetitive behaviour; pacing, hand-flapping, hitting self, screaming (temper tantrums are an expected response to fear, confusion, or frustration as an effort to stop the stimuli)
May not recognise danger or hurt eg continuing to walk with broken foot.
May not recognise police badge or understand what is expected of them
May appear argumentative, stubborn or belligerent; may say 'No!' to all questions; may ask 'Why?' incessantly
Will have difficulty interpreting body language and facial expressions May have passive monotone voices with unusual pronunciations; often sound computer-like
May have difficulty judging personal space
May have difficulty in seeing things from a different point of view; may have difficulty predicting other peoples reaction to them
Are usually very honest, sometimes too honest; have behaviours limiting credibility with others but do not or ably tell lies; often very blunt, not tactful.
I've emphasised the important ones to help you.
How's that crutch working out for you PigBoy? Made enough excuses for yourself yet?
I already told you - I have better things to do than discuss your overcompensations with you. And I'm OK with the mistakes I've made in my past - I did the crime and I did my time. You can't goad me on by bringing it up.
Hey, lets try to calm it a little, we have had a couple of bannings recently, we really don't want anymore, especially from 2 regulars like yourselves. My 2 sons have Aspergers so I understand Porgy's perspective and I also understand yours Pokerface, it is hard to back down when things get heated especially when you are making fair points. The semantics of getting stopped are innumerable, I think you get the luck of the draw when dealing with the police, you get numptys sometimes who go over the top or some new policy has to be enforced and such. Autistic people will come over as obtuse and difficult in some situations, its just the way they are wired.
Chucking personal insults back and forth on here won't solve anything, I know Ive done it myself and regretted it massively.0 -
passout wrote:I was once walking home in zig zags at 3am carrying an estate agent's for sale sign and a traffic cone, when for no reason a copper stopped me (he could read from my body language that I was drunk) and gave me a warning! Infringe my civil liberties will you......!
People seem to be taking this seriously and on reflection I should have made it more obvious that this (above) is just whimsy. The point I was trying to make (albeit not very well) is that the police should be stopping 'potential' trouble makers and drunkards are more likely to be troublemakers. We are only talking about a few questions perhaps a stern attitude - not a beating with truncheons!
I like a drink (hic) but I recognise that alcohol is a serious problem in the UK as a Saturday night in Preston clearly shows. It's obvious that the police need to be proactive.'Happiness serves hardly any other purpose than to make unhappiness possible' Marcel Proust.0 -
dmclite wrote:Pokerface wrote:Porgy wrote:Pokerface wrote:Porgy wrote:Pokerface wrote:But I bet you think about your public displays of drunkedness a little more now before you do it again. 8)
No - i don;t like your judgemental attitude. I am a well behaved drinker - and I was that night. If I had done something wrong they could have arrested me. they didn;t.
Me? Judgemental? Naw.
But I have better things to do than argue with another bleeding heart with a sense of entitlement and an axe to grind with authority - who is clearly trying to justify his alcohol intake and seems to think it's his god-given right to walk the streets intoxicated. From your general attitude - I'd probably have arrested you if I was the police.
You have no idea of my general attitude.
I drink hardly anything but like a good night out occasionally especially when the boss is buying.
If you're not judgemental I don;t know what is; which is something coming from a convicted drink driver.
and these are the characteristics of people with AS - I cannot help some of these behaviours - what do you say to that? You keep ducking the issue.Recognising persons with autism
May be nonverbal or may only repeat what is said to them; may communicate with sign language or use gestures or pointing
May not respond to 'Stop' command, may run or move away when approached, may cover ears and look away constantly
May toe-walk, have pigeon toed gait or running style
May appear as high on drugs or drunk
May react to sudden changes in routine or to sensory input eg lights, sirens, barking dogs with escalation of repetitive behaviour; pacing, hand-flapping, hitting self, screaming (temper tantrums are an expected response to fear, confusion, or frustration as an effort to stop the stimuli)
May not recognise danger or hurt eg continuing to walk with broken foot.
May not recognise police badge or understand what is expected of them
May appear argumentative, stubborn or belligerent; may say 'No!' to all questions; may ask 'Why?' incessantly
Will have difficulty interpreting body language and facial expressions May have passive monotone voices with unusual pronunciations; often sound computer-like
May have difficulty judging personal space
May have difficulty in seeing things from a different point of view; may have difficulty predicting other peoples reaction to them
Are usually very honest, sometimes too honest; have behaviours limiting credibility with others but do not or ably tell lies; often very blunt, not tactful.
I've emphasised the important ones to help you.
How's that crutch working out for you PigBoy? Made enough excuses for yourself yet?
I already told you - I have better things to do than discuss your overcompensations with you. And I'm OK with the mistakes I've made in my past - I did the crime and I did my time. You can't goad me on by bringing it up.
Hey, lets try to calm it a little, we have had a couple of bannings recently, we really don't want anymore, especially from 2 regulars like yourselves. My 2 sons have Aspergers so I understand Porgy's perspective and I also understand yours Pokerface, it is hard to back down when things get heated especially when you are making fair points. The semantics of getting stopped are innumerable, I think you get the luck of the draw when dealing with the police, you get numptys sometimes who go over the top or some new policy has to be enforced and such. Autistic people will come over as obtuse and difficult in some situations, its just the way they are wired.
Chucking personal insults back and forth on here won't solve anything, I know Ive done it myself and regretted it massively.
True True True, some cops a re comlete c*nts and soe are good its the way it is. I know a couple of guys who used to like friday nights and dishing it out.
More importantly if more people smoked mary the world would be a better place.
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