No Shiv for you, Mr Contador

iainf72
iainf72 Posts: 15,784
edited February 2010 in Pro race
The UCI have ruled the Spesh Shiv not race legal.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/special ... ned-by-uci

I'm sure Chinny is also going to be annoyed.
Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
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  • Bhima
    Bhima Posts: 2,145
    Why do the UCI always ban things at the most inconvenient times, leaving teams to scramble for spare legal parts at the last minute? :?

    The bike has been around for ages now and they've had plenty of time to ban it previously. Why wait months before telling anyone/changing their mind/etc?
  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    So Cancellara won the World TT champs on an illegal frame?

    Of course he would have won on any frame but like Bhima says, why the delay? Especially since Specialized worked hard to produce a frame after Cancellara knocked their previous attempts, now they made a frame he was happy with and have presumably gone on to commercialise it the UCI pops up and says no.
  • dulldave
    dulldave Posts: 949
    They didn't. Watch this video from about 3:50 in.
    Scottish and British...and a bit French
  • pomtarr
    pomtarr Posts: 318
    dulldave wrote:
    They didn't. Watch this video from about 3:50 in.

    Video link fail.
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  • shinyhelmut
    shinyhelmut Posts: 1,364
    From cyclingnews;
    However, regulations also dictate that any aerodynamic frame section be a necessary structural member and for this reason Specialized designers mechanically joined the bottom of the nosecone to the fork crown via a "carbon strap", saying the assembly was required to maintain adequate strength and stiffness to the otherwise minimally supported stem.

    Apparently, the UCI feels differently.

    Astana had earlier proposed to the UCI that it be allowed to race the bike without the nosecone section while a more permanent solution was developed

    The proposal to remove the offending part does seem to prove the UCI's point that it is not a necessary structural member does it not.

    Brings a whole new meaning to the phrase "cutting off one's nose to spite one's face" :lol:
  • DaveyL
    DaveyL Posts: 5,167
    I was expecting to read that it had been banned as it wasn't stylish enough for the young Spanish cavalier...
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  • Jez mon
    Jez mon Posts: 3,809
    Stupid!

    But what else do we expect!
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  • Tom Butcher
    Tom Butcher Posts: 3,830
    If the rules were available to the teams/bike manufacturers then it's their fault - not the UCI.

    it's a hard life if you don't weaken.
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,546
    The manufacturers play a game of cat and mouse with the UCI, constantly pushing at the boundaries of the rules.

    Look on the bright side, by doing the checks now hopefully everyone will know where they stand before the races that matter start.
  • Jez mon
    Jez mon Posts: 3,809
    If the rules were available to the teams/bike manufacturers then it's their fault - not the UCI.

    The rules are about as clear as mud (which is the fault of the UCI) furthermore the bike has been in the public domain for about a year now, its not like the UCI officials could have just noticed it was rather odd looking.

    What really gets my goat though is that, these rules are designed to keep bikes looking like bikes, but never really work, for example, the Trek Giant and Scott bikes all have odd looking front ends yet only the shiv gets banned??

    So, the rules are difficult to follow, implemented slowly and don't achieve their aim.
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  • THE UCI ARE A BUNCH OF TOTAL IDIOTS.

    Nothing useful is done by them - the only time you hear from them is when they act unprofessional and do unecessary things.

    No harm done for Contador. Its all in the legs and lungs.
    Contador is the Greatest
  • redddraggon
    redddraggon Posts: 10,862
    Bertie did OK on the old Trek TT bike. Position > Body/helmet > Wheels > Frame after all.

    I'm sure Bertie would be fine on any old TT bike.
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  • But the Transition is VERY ugly.
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  • redddraggon
    redddraggon Posts: 10,862
    But the Transition is VERY ugly.

    Anything named after something to do with Triathlon will be I'm afraid.
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  • Lol. Agreed.
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  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,546
    Jez mon wrote:
    The rules are about as clear as mud (which is the fault of the UCI) furthermore the bike has been in the public domain for about a year now, its not like the UCI officials could have just noticed it was rather odd looking.

    What really gets my goat though is that, these rules are designed to keep bikes looking like bikes, but never really work, for example, the Trek Giant and Scott bikes all have odd looking front ends yet only the shiv gets banned??

    So, the rules are difficult to follow, implemented slowly and don't achieve their aim.

    Have you actually read them?
  • Garry H
    Garry H Posts: 6,639
    andyp wrote:
    Jez mon wrote:
    The rules are about as clear as mud (which is the fault of the UCI) furthermore the bike has been in the public domain for about a year now, its not like the UCI officials could have just noticed it was rather odd looking.

    What really gets my goat though is that, these rules are designed to keep bikes looking like bikes, but never really work, for example, the Trek Giant and Scott bikes all have odd looking front ends yet only the shiv gets banned??

    So, the rules are difficult to follow, implemented slowly and don't achieve their aim.

    Have you actually read them?

    I have, and he's right.
  • DaveyL
    DaveyL Posts: 5,167
    No harm done for Contador. Its all in the legs and lungs.

    And the veins...
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  • DaveyL wrote:
    No harm done for Contador. Its all in the legs and lungs.

    And the veins...

    Yeah you bet it is. Lactate acid threshold.
    Contador is the Greatest
  • Jez mon
    Jez mon Posts: 3,809
    andyp wrote:
    Jez mon wrote:
    The rules are about as clear as mud (which is the fault of the UCI) furthermore the bike has been in the public domain for about a year now, its not like the UCI officials could have just noticed it was rather odd looking.

    What really gets my goat though is that, these rules are designed to keep bikes looking like bikes, but never really work, for example, the Trek Giant and Scott bikes all have odd looking front ends yet only the shiv gets banned??

    So, the rules are difficult to follow, implemented slowly and don't achieve their aim.

    Have you actually read them?

    Yes, but I can't remember the link, sorry.
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  • LangerDan
    LangerDan Posts: 6,132
    According to a supplementary document the UCI issued to accompany the actual regulations (TECHNICAL REGULATIONS FOR BICYCLE - A PRACTICAL GUIDE TO IMPLEMENTATION)
    "Article 1.3.024 establishes that aerodynamic assemblies and protuberances on the head tube are prohibited."

    From the exploded view on the attached photo, the Shiv has a separate head tube / steerer and the fairing is part of the bar assembly.
    http://tiny.cc/ZP1A2

    and tends to hang out over the front of the forks:
    saxo_bank_cancellara_tt_full_view_600.jpg



    Trek and Felt have made the fairing a structural component of the fork, so that load is borne both through the "traditional" cylindrical steerer and the external fairing section which physically connects the stem and the fork crown


    1246634115435-dwva59l0v7ky-798-75.jpg

    Whether the UCI should have left it so late in the day to ban a previously approved bike is another matter.
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  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,546
    Jez mon wrote:

    Yes, but I can't remember the link, sorry.

    And I thought I was a bit of an anorak! :wink:
  • dulldave
    dulldave Posts: 949
    Er try again sorry. 3:50 into this video:
    http://vimeo.com/9414169

    Specialized have known about this for a while it seems.
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  • This is just like F1, all down to interpretation of the regulations.
  • ridgerider
    ridgerider Posts: 2,852
    If I were Contador I'd be annoyed that I had spent all that money on my own TT frame only to be told it was not legal. :D
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  • There is only 1 person in the pro ranks that has the palmares to ride such a saddle and only four others in history.

    contadorsaddle-algarve10.jpg
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  • deal
    deal Posts: 857
    There is only 1 person in the pro ranks that has the palmares to ride such a saddle and only four others in history.

    http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/photos/te ... arve10.jpg

    sadly he doesn't manage to 'pull it off', the whole El Pistolero thing makes him look like a right twat
  • Tom Butcher
    Tom Butcher Posts: 3,830
    Must admit the pistol shot thing isn't to my taste but I would't make too big a deal out of it.

    it's a hard life if you don't weaken.
  • calvjones
    calvjones Posts: 3,850
    It's the only utterly shite thing about AC.

    Can you imagine Eddy doing it? Or Hinault

    Coppi?

    In fact there's only one other multiple GT winner that took the whole 'crush thine enemy' shtick further than the finish line.
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  • taz3611
    taz3611 Posts: 172
    Wasn't Spartacus just riding one in the Tour of Oman?