Moots RSL or Cervelo??

angrynortherner
angrynortherner Posts: 530
edited February 2010 in Road buying advice
I've been lusting after a Moots RSL since it was launched but now that I have the cash to buy it I'm questioning whether it's worth £3300 (for the frame and forks).

I can get a Cervelo R3-SL or SLC-SL on sale for circa 2k, would I be better buying one of those and saving myself the money? Technically I'm sure the Cervelo's are lighter, stiffer, but something about a Ti frame has always appealed.

What do you think?
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  • Garry H
    Garry H Posts: 6,639
    Na, go for the Moots RSL if you have the cash. If you've been lusting after it, then nothing else will do. If you buy the Cervelo you'll probably still be thinking along the lines of "what if?"

    Stop being logical and just go for it :wink:
  • giant_man
    giant_man Posts: 6,878
    Gosh just had a look and the Moots RSL is a beauty isn't it. I would go for that personally.
  • PieterM
    PieterM Posts: 167
    I'd go for the Moots. It'll last and won't get out of fashion (it already is :D ). Ti frames give you great road feel and comfort as well. The weight penalty is only a factor if you are looking to build up a specific climbing bike.
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  • giant_man
    giant_man Posts: 6,878
    Is Mosquito Bikes in London the only Moots retailer in the UK?
  • Monty Dog
    Monty Dog Posts: 20,614
    You'll be lucky if you meet another Moots owner whereas you'll find the Cervelo is the current fave of the 'me too' brigade. Show you're an individual and stick with your heart's desire rather than follow the flock.
    Make mine an Italian, with Campagnolo on the side..
  • what brakes
    what brakes Posts: 328
    Go for the Cervelo it looks so much better! the Moots looks like every other ti bike! theres nothing that singles it out from the crowd! especialy considering its costs so mmuch more!

    Yep ti give a good ride but im sure the Carbon Cervelo is just as nice to ride!

    However like others have said if youve dreamed of the moots then buy that! you will only regret it later! i know i have on many things ive compromised on!
  • mikey_748
    mikey_748 Posts: 108
    Monty Dog wrote:
    You'll be lucky if you meet another Moots owner whereas you'll find the Cervelo is the current fave of the 'me too' brigade. Show you're an individual and stick with your heart's desire rather than follow the flock.

    Did you and NapD used to be married? Seems the only logical explanation.... :lol:
  • Astonis
    Astonis Posts: 3
    completely depends on what you are doing with it. If you are not going to race, or at least not seriously, then get the Moots. You will be far happier. If you want to either race or carve up mountain roads, then get a Cervelo. I've never ridden the RSL, but I don't imagine its anything revolutionary in Ti bikes, which are never as stiff as carbon.
    That being said, ti certainly has its place, I would love to have a ti bike of my own, but for now, I can't find one to match the handling and response of carbon, Litespeed's Archon is the only one I've tried thats come close.
    You will be far more comfortable on the Moots after 5 or 6 hours of riding, and its a freakin cool bike! Cervelo will be fast, but blah...
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,665
    I have a Cervelo S2.

    I've only seen one other Cervelo on the road, so I don't get this 'Me Too' thing...

    That said, if you can afford it, get the Moots...

    That said, I also have a Litespeed Ti bike and I love it but Ti is not the be all and end all that some Ti fanatics claim it to be.

    My S2, for the record ;)

    S2OCP.jpg
  • giant_man
    giant_man Posts: 6,878
    NapoleonD wrote:
    I have a Cervelo S2.

    I've only seen one other Cervelo on the road, so I don't get this 'Me Too' thing...

    That said, if you can afford it, get the Moots...

    That said, I also have a Litespeed Ti bike and I love it but Ti is not the be all and end all that some Ti fanatics claim it to be.

    My S2, for the record ;)

    S2OCP.jpg

    Geez any opportunity eh mate? Y - A - W - N .....
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,665
    giant mancp wrote:
    NapoleonD wrote:
    I have a Cervelo S2.

    I've only seen one other Cervelo on the road, so I don't get this 'Me Too' thing...

    That said, if you can afford it, get the Moots...

    That said, I also have a Litespeed Ti bike and I love it but Ti is not the be all and end all that some Ti fanatics claim it to be.

    My S2, for the record ;)

    S2OCP.jpg

    Geez any opportunity eh mate? Y - A - W - N .....

    Yes, any opportunity at all.
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    I vote for the Moots. Everybody has a Cervelo. Do it for the reason that you like the looks of it. Isn't that enough??? It's pretty much the reason I ride a lugged steel GIOS. That and I like blue as a color. OK, I'm also kind of cheap. :wink::wink:
  • Chip \'oyler
    Chip \'oyler Posts: 2,323
    It's a strange thing but I don't think anyone has suggested he ride the bloody bikes on a test and see which one rides best (for him)
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  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    Chip \'oyler wrote:
    It's a strange thing but I don't think anyone has suggested he ride the bloody bikes on a test and see which one rides best (for him)

    Great idea, but actually having the opportunity to ride either of them for any length of
    time is not often possible, or very rare. Add to that the fact that proper fit, size, and compatible saddle type will probably not be right i.e - no one is going to set up a bike exclusively for you, with everything you want on it, just to try out.
  • balthazar
    balthazar Posts: 1,565
    dennisn wrote:
    I vote for the Moots. Everybody has a Cervelo. Do it for the reason that you like the looks of it. Isn't that enough??? It's pretty much the reason I ride a lugged steel GIOS. That and I like blue as a color. OK, I'm also kind of cheap. :wink::wink:
    Cheap?! Plenty would feel a bit faint at the sight of of a GIOS (in GIOS blue...!) Of course a Masi causes collapse in those susceptible.
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    balthazar wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    I vote for the Moots. Everybody has a Cervelo. Do it for the reason that you like the looks of it. Isn't that enough??? It's pretty much the reason I ride a lugged steel GIOS. That and I like blue as a color. OK, I'm also kind of cheap. :wink::wink:
    Cheap?! Plenty would feel a bit faint at the sight of of a GIOS (in GIOS blue...!) Of course a Masi causes collapse in those susceptible.

    As far as the cheap goes, when I bought it it was a fourth the price of a high end carbon or titanium frame. Made sense to me and I really liked the bike. Lugged steel was a non issue as was the chromed fork over a carbon one. I don't have anything against the NEW stuff but am not impressed with the looks of titanium or carbon. Just too plain for my tastes.
    I know. I'm weird. :oops: :oops:
  • mrushton
    mrushton Posts: 5,182
    Cervelos are nice in the same way Specialized Tarmacs are nice and Trek Madones. But imo these are like Ford or VW, nice and do a great job. But the Moots? It's a specialist firm that aren't fashionable just classic. If you want the Moots get it, because you'll always think what if..... Having said that, you might want to consider Seven cycles
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  • relanium
    relanium Posts: 487
    I would go with the Moots frame, it looks a gorgeous frame & will never go out of fashion, as for the Cervelo, there becoming more & more popular, be different from the crowd :)
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,665
    dennisn wrote:
    I vote for the Moots. Everybody has a Cervelo. Do it for the reason that you like the looks of it. Isn't that enough??? It's pretty much the reason I ride a lugged steel GIOS. That and I like blue as a color. OK, I'm also kind of cheap. :wink::wink:

    As previous, I've only ever seen one other Cervelo on the road. I've seen a Moots on the road too. Does that mean everyone has a Moots?
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,665
    relanium wrote:
    I would go with the Moots frame, it looks a gorgeous frame & will never go out of fashion, as for the Cervelo, there becoming more & more popular, be different from the crowd :)

    How many, genuinely, have you seen out and about?

    They bloody should be popular though...
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    NapoleonD wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    I vote for the Moots. Everybody has a Cervelo. Do it for the reason that you like the looks of it. Isn't that enough??? It's pretty much the reason I ride a lugged steel GIOS. That and I like blue as a color. OK, I'm also kind of cheap. :wink::wink:

    As previous, I've only ever seen one other Cervelo on the road. I've seen a Moots on the road too. Does that mean everyone has a Moots?

    I'm guessing that maybe 10 guys in our club(130 or so members) have one. Seems to be a big seller over here.Then again Canada is just a stones throw away. Can't remember the last time I saw a MOOTS on the road.
  • Chip \'oyler
    Chip \'oyler Posts: 2,323
    Must admit I've seen more Cervelo's in my lifetime than Moots.

    Mind you there's a Cervelo dealer 10 miles up the road from me
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  • relanium
    relanium Posts: 487
    I think the Moots frame looks way better than any of the Cervelo range :)

    2010_vamoots_rsl_profile.jpg
  • Lagavulin
    Lagavulin Posts: 1,688
    Seen a canny few Cervelos around here. I'd estimate after Giants, Bianchis, Specializeds and Ribbles they're probably the fifth most popular manufacturer I've seen out on the roads. All sorts of Cervelos too. From Soloists and a slightly retro model in deep blue with just the massive 'e' logo on the downtube, an RS, a white R3 and one fast bloke riding the Olympic colours (S2?) (and wearing a Lampre World Champ rainbow jersey to match). I'd like to think that means the roadies around here - and there aren't an abundance - have good taste though.
    Fortunate to have a couple of dealers though within an hours drive. There's one in Sunderland, I believe there is one in Newcastle (Edinburgh Bike in Byker used to sell Cervelo frames) and ActivCycles, Corbridge are a Cervelo Test Centre.
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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,665
    relanium wrote:
    I think the Moots frame looks way better than any of the Cervelo range :)

    2010_vamoots_rsl_profile.jpg

    It looks like a generic Ti frame. Nowt wrong with that..

    But that frame is 2 grand dearer than my S2 was!
  • CarbonCopy
    CarbonCopy Posts: 492
    I wouldnt say that the Moots was the better looking of the two,Ti frames are nice and all.
    But i would say they are both in different categories would`nt you agree?
    There is to much snobbery envolved here.The OP should just ask himself a few questions.

    Am i a rider who races abit ?
    Or am i a racer who rides abit ?

    The conclusion will then appear to be resolved.
  • giant_man
    giant_man Posts: 6,878
    NapoleonD wrote:
    relanium wrote:
    I think the Moots frame looks way better than any of the Cervelo range :)

    2010_vamoots_rsl_profile.jpg

    It looks like a generic Ti frame. Nowt wrong with that..

    But that frame is 2 grand dearer than my S2 was!

    And you don't think there's a difference between your S2 and the 'generic' ti Vamoots RSL? Yours is two grand cheaper for a reason mate duh!
  • kfinlay
    kfinlay Posts: 763
    relanium wrote:
    I think the Moots frame looks way better than any of the Cervelo range :)

    2010_vamoots_rsl_profile.jpg

    Dunno if it's just me but those forks just don't look right with that bike they look smooth and moulded where as the frame is all straight lines and sharp joins. Also really don't like the white logos although I'm sure it's fantastic and rides fabulously.

    to the OP, if its what you've always lusted after then go for it as otherwise you'll regret it.
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  • APIII
    APIII Posts: 2,010
    My lbs is a Cervelo dealer, so I see plenty. They are nice frames, but you know the saying 'familiarity breeds contempt'. I've not seen a Moots for years. Sigma sport used to sell them and they were certainly nice in the flesh. I'm not keen on compact frames, but the upshot is you shouldn't give a shiny sh1t what I like, if you want it, get it. In the grand scheme of things £3k on a frame isn't excessive. Compared to the cost of cars it's nothing, I mean how much is a mid range Ford these days? £15k? £20k? plenty of people find the money for these.
  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,788
    I've been lusting after a Moots RSL since it was launched but now that I have the cash to buy it I'm questioning whether it's worth £3300 (for the frame and forks).

    Of course it's not 'worth' £3300, ie it's not 4 times better than a planet X Ti or whatever but if it makes you £3300 happier then go for it. Think it looks a bit boring with a ugly front end but that wasn't the question :wink:
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