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EKIMIKE wrote:Without wanting to create a massive debate again, I don't think that they are 'equal'. However I think Affirmative Action is just as socially aggrevating as racism. It creates division (of opinion, lives, choices e.t.c). As for letting racism prevail as a dominant trait of any society, I am not your man (as per your quote). Could I have made it any clearer that I truly disagree with racist ideologies?
Please, believe me when I say something.0 -
I was at uni all day, so didn't directly have anything to do with it.
There were reported posts regarding racism though, so I'll assume it was that. I'll see if I can get someone who was around to reply to this.0 -
alfablue wrote:
yes, for example, comments about not employing people from Africa because they are goat herders. Plenty of other examples, and he refused to condemn racism, though he was very happy to condemn positive discrimination. He made little attempt to hide his true colours, even when invited to deny them.Aggieboy wrote:alfablue wrote:EKMIKE, I will go gentle, but there is a world of difference between a discussion about affirmative action (or positive discrimination, less correctly) and racism. Racism is about hatred of people on grounds of race, affirmative action is an approach to redressing the balance for minorities that are victims of racism. Hatred and affirmative action are poles apart - they are not equal by any stretch of the imagination.
I don't think the spread of racist ideas and views are a laughing matter, it is the thin end of the wedge. And for those who criticise those who speak out against racism . . . "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing".
Did he make racist remarks?
I'm at a disadvantage here as I don't exactly remember the quote and would have checked but the thread has gone. Did he actually say he wouldn't employ them because they were goat herders or that he was legally obliged to employ people from Europe first and that he didn't want 'goat herders', as an example, applying and wasting his time. Genuine question."There's a shortage of perfect breasts in this world, t'would be a pity to damage yours."0 -
I do believe you but when you contradict yourself, confusion reigns, You just need to decide, positive discrimination is equally offensive as racism, or it isn't equal.EKIMIKE wrote:EKIMIKE wrote:Without wanting to create a massive debate again, I don't think that they are 'equal'. However I think Affirmative Action is just as socially aggrevating as racism. It creates division (of opinion, lives, choices e.t.c). As for letting racism prevail as a dominant trait of any society, I am not your man (as per your quote). Could I have made it any clearer that I truly disagree with racist ideologies?
Please, believe me when I say something.0 -
Aggieboy wrote:alfablue wrote:
yes, for example, comments about not employing people from Africa because they are goat herders. Plenty of other examples, and he refused to condemn racism, though he was very happy to condemn positive discrimination. He made little attempt to hide his true colours, even when invited to deny them.Aggieboy wrote:alfablue wrote:EKMIKE, I will go gentle, but there is a world of difference between a discussion about affirmative action (or positive discrimination, less correctly) and racism. Racism is about hatred of people on grounds of race, affirmative action is an approach to redressing the balance for minorities that are victims of racism. Hatred and affirmative action are poles apart - they are not equal by any stretch of the imagination.
I don't think the spread of racist ideas and views are a laughing matter, it is the thin end of the wedge. And for those who criticise those who speak out against racism . . . "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing".
Did he make racist remarks?
I'm at a disadvantage here as I don't exactly remember the quote and would have checked but the thread has gone. Did he actually say he wouldn't employ them because they were goat herders or that he was legally obliged to employ people from Europe first and that he didn't want 'goat herders', as an example, applying and wasting his time. Genuine question.
Aggie, he said he wouldn't employ them as he was obliged to employ EU first. His big mistake was not to do as Alphablue demanded and denounce Racism. Btw he refused to endorse the antiracism camp either stating that he thought it equally diversive and that he found alphas insistence abhorrant.
Alpha blue takes this as meaning Mark promotes racism. Its akin to ducking stools. On another thread Alpha now calls him a holocaust apologist!0 -
It was on one of the various MW racism threads, he first said words to the effect that he would reject applications from Africans because you wouldn't employ goat herders unless it was a job selling animal feed. He then, retrospectively said that he couldn't employ them because they had no right to employment whereas he did have to consider Europeans. He also made generalisations about their inability to speak English, whilst maintaining that all Europeans could do so. He never clarified (though invited to do so)if he would or would not employ someone of African origin who DID have the right to work in the UK, the impression from the goat herder comment,and his previous assertions that discrimination was natural, and questions such as if I had kids wouldn't I seek to gain them advantage over anyone else, whatever it took, suggest the racist views were pretty near to the surface.Aggieboy wrote:alfablue wrote:
yes, for example, comments about not employing people from Africa because they are goat herders. Plenty of other examples, and he refused to condemn racism, though he was very happy to condemn positive discrimination. He made little attempt to hide his true colours, even when invited to deny them.Aggieboy wrote:alfablue wrote:EKMIKE, I will go gentle, but there is a world of difference between a discussion about affirmative action (or positive discrimination, less correctly) and racism. Racism is about hatred of people on grounds of race, affirmative action is an approach to redressing the balance for minorities that are victims of racism. Hatred and affirmative action are poles apart - they are not equal by any stretch of the imagination.
I don't think the spread of racist ideas and views are a laughing matter, it is the thin end of the wedge. And for those who criticise those who speak out against racism . . . "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing".
Did he make racist remarks?
I'm at a disadvantage here as I don't exactly remember the quote and would have checked but the thread has gone. Did he actually say he wouldn't employ them because they were goat herders or that he was legally obliged to employ people from Europe first and that he didn't want 'goat herders', as an example, applying and wasting his time. Genuine question.0 -
ARGH! I just hadn't clarified my point (the bit you put in bold). If you see the post (where i've put in bold) you'll see that my point is that both racism and affirmative action create a social divide (of opinions, lives, choices e.t.c). The consequences of both racism and affirmative action are equal in the sense that they create division. They are not equal in the sense that racism is an ideology of hatred whereas affirmative action is a reaction to try and counter inequalities.
If you insist, putting the two higlighted bold statements together, I have contradicted myself. I can accept that. Those two statements together don't explain what my opinion is though.0 -
An employer is not obliged to employ EU citizens first over people from other backgrounds, what "we" are not able to do is prevent the free movement of labour throughout the EU an employer has the choice of who they employ.0
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Jeez, you are still speaking in the 3rd person after having admitted you are Mark Walker - you are SO weird :shock:mw4eva wrote:Aggieboy wrote:alfablue wrote:
yes, for example, comments about not employing people from Africa because they are goat herders. Plenty of other examples, and he refused to condemn racism, though he was very happy to condemn positive discrimination. He made little attempt to hide his true colours, even when invited to deny them.Aggieboy wrote:alfablue wrote:EKMIKE, I will go gentle, but there is a world of difference between a discussion about affirmative action (or positive discrimination, less correctly) and racism. Racism is about hatred of people on grounds of race, affirmative action is an approach to redressing the balance for minorities that are victims of racism. Hatred and affirmative action are poles apart - they are not equal by any stretch of the imagination.
I don't think the spread of racist ideas and views are a laughing matter, it is the thin end of the wedge. And for those who criticise those who speak out against racism . . . "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing".
Did he make racist remarks?
I'm at a disadvantage here as I don't exactly remember the quote and would have checked but the thread has gone. Did he actually say he wouldn't employ them because they were goat herders or that he was legally obliged to employ people from Europe first and that he didn't want 'goat herders', as an example, applying and wasting his time. Genuine question.
Aggie, he said he wouldn't employ them as he was obliged to employ EU first. His big mistake was not to do as Alphablue demanded and denounce Racism. Btw he refused to endorse the antiracism camp either stating that he thought it equally diversive and that he found alphas insistence abhorrant.
Alpha blue takes this as meaning Mark promotes racism. Its akin to ducking stools. On another thread Alpha now calls him a holocaust apologist!0 -
alfablue wrote:
It was on one of the various MW racism threads, he first said words to the effect that he would reject applications from Africans because you wouldn't employ goat herders unless it was a job selling animal feed. He then, retrospectively said that he couldn't employ them because they had no right to employment whereas he did have to consider Europeans. He also made generalisations about their inability to speak English, whilst maintaining that all Europeans could do so. He never clarified (though invited to do so)if he would or would not employ someone of African origin who DID have the right to work in the UK, the impression from the goat herder comment,and his previous assertions that discrimination was natural, and questions such as if I had kids wouldn't I seek to gain them advantage over anyone else, whatever it took, suggest the racist views were pretty near to the surface.Aggieboy wrote:alfablue wrote:
yes, for example, comments about not employing people from Africa because they are goat herders. Plenty of other examples, and he refused to condemn racism, though he was very happy to condemn positive discrimination. He made little attempt to hide his true colours, even when invited to deny them.Aggieboy wrote:alfablue wrote:EKMIKE, I will go gentle, but there is a world of difference between a discussion about affirmative action (or positive discrimination, less correctly) and racism. Racism is about hatred of people on grounds of race, affirmative action is an approach to redressing the balance for minorities that are victims of racism. Hatred and affirmative action are poles apart - they are not equal by any stretch of the imagination.
I don't think the spread of racist ideas and views are a laughing matter, it is the thin end of the wedge. And for those who criticise those who speak out against racism . . . "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing".
Did he make racist remarks?
I'm at a disadvantage here as I don't exactly remember the quote and would have checked but the thread has gone. Did he actually say he wouldn't employ them because they were goat herders or that he was legally obliged to employ people from Europe first and that he didn't want 'goat herders', as an example, applying and wasting his time. Genuine question.
In the spirit of fairness since Mark and his alter ego Vino have been banned, ill point out that Mark made no bones about wanting his children to succeed over other peoples. Thatd not racist. It might not be comfortable for you but its not racist.
He only said he wouldn't employ africans but he also qualified that the qualification was practical and legal and not based on race religion or sex.
You demanded he denounce racism and he refused to do as you demanded and this led top your pious outrage. After all how dare he?????0 -
alfablue wrote:
Jeez, you are still speaking in the 3rd person after having admitted you are Mark Walker - you are SO weird :shock:mw4eva wrote:Aggieboy wrote:alfablue wrote:
yes, for example, comments about not employing people from Africa because they are goat herders. Plenty of other examples, and he refused to condemn racism, though he was very happy to condemn positive discrimination. He made little attempt to hide his true colours, even when invited to deny them.Aggieboy wrote:alfablue wrote:EKMIKE, I will go gentle, but there is a world of difference between a discussion about affirmative action (or positive discrimination, less correctly) and racism. Racism is about hatred of people on grounds of race, affirmative action is an approach to redressing the balance for minorities that are victims of racism. Hatred and affirmative action are poles apart - they are not equal by any stretch of the imagination.
I don't think the spread of racist ideas and views are a laughing matter, it is the thin end of the wedge. And for those who criticise those who speak out against racism . . . "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing".
Did he make racist remarks?
I'm at a disadvantage here as I don't exactly remember the quote and would have checked but the thread has gone. Did he actually say he wouldn't employ them because they were goat herders or that he was legally obliged to employ people from Europe first and that he didn't want 'goat herders', as an example, applying and wasting his time. Genuine question.
Aggie, he said he wouldn't employ them as he was obliged to employ EU first. His big mistake was not to do as Alphablue demanded and denounce Racism. Btw he refused to endorse the antiracism camp either stating that he thought it equally diversive and that he found alphas insistence abhorrant.
Alpha blue takes this as meaning Mark promotes racism. Its akin to ducking stools. On another thread Alpha now calls him a holocaust apologist!
Are you all there? I am not Mark walker.
You however like everything just as you say though don't you?0 -
You (or "He" if it pleases you) refused to condemn racism. You are therefore 1) racist or 2) do not care if people think you are racist.
You stated "Alpha blue, you repeatedly wanted him to acknowledge he was against racism yet he replied that he was neutral. "
Being neutral about racism suggests you don't mind if there is racism or if there isn't; it suggests you don't mind if you are racist.
Being neutral to racism is like saying you are neutral about any other crime, you don't mind either way about mugging, fraud, burglary, murder etc. . . Racism is a crime, yet you don't mind if it occurs - extraordinary! :roll:0 -
We could go around like this for ever, if people don't agree they're racist, blah blah blah.
Before Mark was banned he asked teagar if he believed in discrimination for asians ( and by implication against whites) teagar did agree stating it was positive for whatever reason.
Mark called him a racist for discriminating against whites. He was banned shortly after.
Do you also believe its right to discriminate against whites? You demanded Mark answer you, perhaps you will do us the privilege of answering honestly now? Will I have to be banned too?0 -
Now it makes sense, thank you for clarifyingEKIMIKE wrote:ARGH! I just hadn't clarified my point (the bit you put in bold). If you see the post (where i've put in bold) you'll see that my point is that both racism and affirmative action create a social divide (of opinions, lives, choices e.t.c). The consequences of both racism and affirmative action are equal in the sense that they create division. They are not equal in the sense that racism is an ideology of hatred whereas affirmative action is a reaction to try and counter inequalities.
If you insist, putting the two higlighted bold statements together, I have contradicted myself. I can accept that. Those two statements together don't explain what my opinion is though.0 -
Quit talking in the 3rd person Mark.mw4eva wrote:We could go around like this for ever, if people don't agree they're racist, blah blah blah.
Before Mark was banned he asked teagar if he believed in discrimination for asians ( and by implication against whites) teagar did agree stating it was positive for whatever reason.
Mark called him a racist for discriminating against whites. He was banned shortly after.
Do you also believe its right to discriminate against whites? You demanded Mark answer you, perhaps you will do us the privilege of answering honestly now? Will I have to be banned too?0 -
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Look, I had run ins with Mark, but to be fair, I don't remember any goat herding remarks.
I did feel that he "retrofitted" the EU employment stuff to his original statement, which appeared to me to just make a blanket statement about Africans, which could be construed as racist. But the threads gone now, so I can't swear about that.
I'm not sure that MW deserved to be banned for his views - he may have had strong views different to my own, but isn't that part of internet debates?
If I was guessing why he was banned, I would say it was because he resorted to name calling and insults which went a touch too far - once again in the interests of fairness, I lobbed a couple his way too, but perhaps not as strong. There was another thread where he absolutely nailed some guy who claimed to be a public sector employee who only did an hours work a day, and spent all his time in forums. I have no problems with MWs sentiment, but I've not seen such strong, borderline vicious remarks like that on here before. Maybe the cumulative effects of those insults tipped the balance.
I'm speculating this, because he wasn't exactly denying the holocaust, and am not sure he would have been banned just for strong views...0 -
Anonima Lombarda Fabbrica Automobili blue :evil: A silly cow put Alpha Romeo on my tax* disk once FFS :x
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I know :roll: - one of the crosses we have to bearStewie Griffin wrote:Anonima Lombarda Fabbrica Automobili blue :evil: A silly cow put Alpha Romeo on my tax* disk once FFS :x
*Whatever its called :?
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alfablue wrote:
Quit talking in the 3rd person Mark.mw4eva wrote:We could go around like this for ever, if people don't agree they're racist, blah blah blah.
Before Mark was banned he asked teagar if he believed in discrimination for asians ( and by implication against whites) teagar did agree stating it was positive for whatever reason.
Mark called him a racist for discriminating against whites. He was banned shortly after.
Do you also believe its right to discriminate against whites? You demanded Mark answer you, perhaps you will do us the privilege of answering honestly now? Will I have to be banned too?
Well Alpha, it looks like the boot is on the other foot doesn't it? Cmon you wanted Mark to answer... Well now its your turn, you think its acceptable to discriminate against whites, come out and say it or haven't you the moral fortitude that mark had?
Are you the real racist here? Come out of the closet bully boy.0 -
Big-nosemw4eva wrote:alfablue wrote:
Quit talking in the 3rd person Mark.mw4eva wrote:We could go around like this for ever, if people don't agree they're racist, blah blah blah.
Before Mark was banned he asked teagar if he believed in discrimination for asians ( and by implication against whites) teagar did agree stating it was positive for whatever reason.
Mark called him a racist for discriminating against whites. He was banned shortly after.
Do you also believe its right to discriminate against whites? You demanded Mark answer you, perhaps you will do us the privilege of answering honestly now? Will I have to be banned too?
Well Alpha, it looks like the boot is on the other foot doesn't it? Cmon you wanted Mark to answer... Well now its your turn, you think its acceptable to discriminate against whites, come out and say it or haven't you the moral fortitude that mark had?
Are you the real racist here? Come out of the closet bully boy.Listen! I said one more time...mate and I'll take you to the fecking cleaners. :P0 -
Stewie Griffin wrote:
Big-nosemw4eva wrote:alfablue wrote:
Quit talking in the 3rd person Mark.mw4eva wrote:We could go around like this for ever, if people don't agree they're racist, blah blah blah.
Before Mark was banned he asked teagar if he believed in discrimination for asians ( and by implication against whites) teagar did agree stating it was positive for whatever reason.
Mark called him a racist for discriminating against whites. He was banned shortly after.
Do you also believe its right to discriminate against whites? You demanded Mark answer you, perhaps you will do us the privilege of answering honestly now? Will I have to be banned too?
Well Alpha, it looks like the boot is on the other foot doesn't it? Cmon you wanted Mark to answer... Well now its your turn, you think its acceptable to discriminate against whites, come out and say it or haven't you the moral fortitude that mark had?
Are you the real racist here? Come out of the closet bully boy.Listen! I said one more time...mate and I'll take you to the fecking cleaners. :P
Err sorry Stewie, lost on me?0 -
Well, still no sign of alpha bully boy blue so I'm off to bed. Feel free to strut your stuff whilst I'm away Alpha, I'm sure you want to address your own racism anyway. Easier to postulate without any questions anyway isn't it?
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johnfinch wrote:mw4eva wrote:
Err sorry Stewie, lost on me?
Biggus Dickus.
Centurion: What's this, then? "Romanes eunt domus"? People called Romanes, they go, the house?
Brian: It says, "Romans go home. "
Centurion: No it doesn't ! What's the latin for "Roman"? Come on, come on !
Brian: Er, "Romanus" !
Centurion: Vocative plural of "Romanus" is?
Brian: Er, er, "Romani" !
Centurion: [Writes "Romani" over Brian's graffiti] "Eunt"? What is "eunt"? Conjugate the verb, "to go" !
Brian: Er, "Ire". Er, "eo", "is", "it", "imus", "itis", "eunt".
Centurion: So, "eunt" is...?
Brian: Third person plural present indicative, "they go".
Centurion: But, "Romans, go home" is an order. So you must use...?
[He twists Brian's ear]
Brian: Aaagh ! The imperative !
Centurion: Which is...?
Brian: Aaaagh ! Er, er, "i" !
Centurion: How many Romans?
Brian: Aaaaagh ! Plural, plural, er, "ite" !
Centurion: [Writes "ite"] "Domus"? Nominative? "Go home" is motion towards, isn't it?
Brian: Dative !
[the Centurion holds a sword to his throat]
Brian: Aaagh ! Not the dative, not the dative ! Er, er, accusative, "Domum" !
Centurion: But "Domus" takes the locative, which is...?
Brian: Er, "Domum" !
Centurion: [Writes "Domum"] Understand? Now, write it out a hundred times.
Brian: Yes sir. Thank you, sir. Hail Caesar, sir.
Centurion: Hail Caesar ! And if it's not done by sunrise, I'll cut your balls off.0 -
Alpha puella negro est0
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mw4eva wrote:Alpha puella negro est
Is that in the Directors cut :? ? Am sure its not in any version I have seen.0 -
With regard to MW.......... " He's not the Messiah. He's a very naughty boy!"
So says Brians mum 8)
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He has a wife you know...
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as an aside, take this quote:-alfablue wrote:You (or "He" if it pleases you) refused to condemn racism. You are therefore 1) racist or 2) do not care if people think you are racist.
replace the word "racism" with the word "doping" and "racist" with "a doper".
Remind you of anyone?"Impressive break"
"Thanks...
...I can taste blood"0 -
This was a nice thread about racism, bullying and censorship.
Why did you have to bring doping and a not too subtle reference to the Texan into it.
Go back to commuting where you belong“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
