Scott Spark 20

gezzza

When she was new and abit porky 24.5lbs



Add so I9's and light rotors and tubeless speedking supersonics




Then add some TI kcnc skewers, Nino full Ti SL rear Cassette, a custom made ti 28t chain ring and a duraace 7900 front mech


whoops maybe the custom chain ring was a bit too light



Add some egg beaters 3ti's, raceking 2.2 supersonic's, ChrisKing BB and ride




So now were around 21LB which for a full suspension bike isn't ground breaking so on order now is some Hope Race x2's in 160/140 and a carbon saddle which will drop her to just over 20LB still not amazing but getting there

The Big Cheese

Lovely bike there.

21lb is VERY light for a FS bike, what are you on about man!?!?!?!?! :shock:

it's only 2lb heavier than my Marin which is fookin' light!

gezzza

Thanks

I guess we have different ideas on whats light

cat_with_no_tail

I'm with Cheese on this fella, 21lbs is BIoody light for a FS!

What are those Alligator Ti Ni rotors like? They work as well as regular ones? They look the dogs and are very light but I want to know if they affect braking performance at all.

The Big Cheese

gezzza wrote:

Thanks

I guess we have different ideas on whats light

Well put it this way, xrgeygoos Flash carbon with lefty weighs in at 17lbs which is road bike weight (give or take)

The average weight of a hardtail (top spec/high end) is 21lb

Mine is what I would call, 'almost as light as you can get without carbon frame' light

Yours, for a full susser, by pro-standards is as light as you are going to get considering you're carrying aroung the extra weight of the shock and frame allowance for it.

Unless you start drilling out pieces of excess material, you are not really gpoing to shift more than a few grammes off it, which you don't need to.

Or are you an ex roadie

gezzza

The rotors are pretty good i did lose abit of power compared to the XT's.
You need to make sure you use decent pads im an EBC gold man.
Cheap pads just fall apart and resin pads just get eaten in a matter of hours.

The Big Cheese

One way you can shave more weight off is going XTR

cat_with_no_tail

The Big Cheese wrote:

One way you can shave more weight off is going XTR

Or sell a kidney and go XX

gezzza

The Big Cheese wrote:

gezzza wrote:

Thanks

I guess we have different ideas on whats light

Well put it this way, xrgeygoos Flash carbon with lefty weighs in at 17lbs which is road bike weight (give or take)

The average weight of a hardtail (top spec/high end) is 21lb

Mine is what I would call, 'almost as light as you can get without carbon frame' light

Yours, for a full susser, by pro-standards is as light as you are going to get considering you're carrying aroung the extra weight of the shock and frame allowance for it.

Unless you start drilling out pieces of excess material, you are not really gpoing to shift more than a few grammes off it, which you don't need to.

Or are you an ex roadie

theres at least 3lb i can remove from my spark with out going silly.

a top end hardtail is in the 18lb mark off the shelf and a F/s is sub 20lb just look at the scott spark/scale LTD. and thats befor you start going for schmolke, scrubs other boutique parts

gezzza

The Big Cheese wrote:

One way you can shave more weight off is going XTR

XTR is not light i could save what 60g on my cranks compared that with lighting saving of 250g

Cat With No Tail wrote:

The Big Cheese wrote:

One way you can shave more weight off is going XTR

Or sell a kidney and go XX

again XX isn't that light not compared to Dura ace mechs and xo grip shift, the cranks are heavy the brakes are quit light tho

The Big Cheese

Have to dissagree on that one....

Well, my Marin Team is top of the line and weighs 19lb, and that's light for a scandium hardtail. Not carbon. And still lighter than The CRX carbon, that for some reason Marin decided to kit out with SLX :?

It's what Marin riders themselves race over the CRX and Ti version.

If I swapped the wheels for an even lighter set (mine are 4.2d on XTR with Sapim) I could probably get it down to the 18lb+ mark, but I'm not changing the wheels as I like them too damn much (pissed all over the Mavic SLRs/Red Metal 0 in terms of performance from my experience)

To buy the 'stock' equvalent of the Marin Team (which is slightly heavier than mine) costs $4,800 (about £3100) and that's pro-spec. Not 18lb, the Ti Team Issue weighs more.

The majority of top end racebikes like that do not weigh 18lb stock (with the odd exception). 18lb is not a *benchmark* weight by any means for a stock bike. Obviously there are bikes out there that do, I'm not dissagreeing with that at all.

Not every £3k+ racebike weighs that, it's not a *rule* that they do/should.

There are VERY few 'off the peg' hardtail racebikes that weigh 18lb stock. Not without faffing around and buying boutique parts.

Anyway back on topic, you going to strive to lose more? Or leave it as is?

ride_whenever

I need to finish my inbred and weigh that...

The issue is, the lbs where i work is now a scott dealer. Waaaaaay too tempted to grab a white alloy spark and put all the white bits onto it. That'd be silly light.

The Big Cheese

ride_whenever wrote:

I need to finish my inbred and weigh that...

The issue is, the lbs where i work is now a scott dealer. Waaaaaay too tempted to grab a white alloy spark and put all the white bits onto it. That'd be silly light.

Was it the Spark Ltd that weighed as much as a bag of peanuts and cost silly money (£5k or something) anyway now that was nice 8)

I would love to sling my leg over and have a few laps on one of those

gezzza

The Big Cheese wrote:

ride_whenever wrote:

I need to finish my inbred and weigh that...

The issue is, the lbs where i work is now a scott dealer. Waaaaaay too tempted to grab a white alloy spark and put all the white bits onto it. That'd be silly light.

Was it the Spark Ltd that weighed as much as a bag of peanuts and cost silly money (£5k or something) anyway now that was nice 8)

I would love to sling my leg over and have a few laps on one of those

£6.5k and sub 20lb like i said top end f/s are sub 20lb


my spark is still heavy

new cranks lighting with custom made chainrings, dura ace 7900 rear mech, new seatpost, steam and bars in the next few months and may be some I9 ultralite races at the end of the year

Andy

Can I ask how you are weighing it to get 21lbs?

stu8975

What made you go with the i9 hoops? for the money I would of thought you would of went lighter, could of saved another 100g+ and prob £150.

Andy

It appears he went for the look over the weight saving.

gezzza

Andy wrote:

Can I ask how you are weighing it to get 21lbs?

with the LBS scales

stu8975 wrote:

What made you go with the i9 hoops? for the money I would of thought you would of went lighter, could of saved another 100g+ and prob £150.

Andy wrote:

It appears he went for the look over the weight saving.

well i hate buying stuff that dosnt last i could have bought a set of wheels that were 300g lighter but they wouldnt have been as stiff i cant stand flexy wheels, they wouldnt be as strong, also nothing has 120 point engagment which once you ride it, its had going back to anything less

theres a few more updates

Hope Race X2's in 160/140
a full carbon saddle under 100g
Matchmakers for the hopes
and some XTR shifters

stu8975

Judging by your spec/future upgrades, thought you would of went for a lighter hub than i9's, but hey, it's your gold coins. I know what you mean about 120 pont engagement, can't see myself changing either. Let me know how the X2 Race's are as I'm planning on a set myself.

Briggo

21lbs isnt light? :shock: I feel so fat at 27lbs for my susser.

mozzy10

how were the conti supersonics to get sealed? did you use stans sealant? I'm thinking of getting some SS and running tubless on ZTR crest but am worried about it taking days to get a seal on them.

i'm guessing from your spec you spend a lt of time on mtbr weight weenies. The new hope xc brakes look amazing. I'm looking forward to your review once they're fitted.

nice bike by the way!

Andy

gezzza wrote:

and some XTR shifters

Why not something a bit more bling?

gezzza

mozzy10 wrote:

how were the conti supersonics to get sealed? did you use stans sealant? I'm thinking of getting some SS and running tubless on ZTR crest but am worried about it taking days to get a seal on them.

i'm guessing from your spec you spend a lt of time on mtbr weight weenies. The new hope xc brakes look amazing. I'm looking forward to your review once they're fitted.

nice bike by the way!

the tires where in all honesty a right ball ache to inflate let alone seal but once done they are great.

Hasn't put be off doing it again

The race x2's are good they seem to have taken an age to brake in but now they are working nice and powerful good feel to them, not totally convinced with a 160 up front ill give it a few months to decided if i want a 180.
Im more than happy with the power of 140 in the rear

Andy wrote:

gezzza wrote:

and some XTR shifters

Why not something a bit more bling?

Im no fan of gripshift sram are out of the question as i'll be going with a dura ace rear mech the only other option i can think of is puals thumbs and thats a step backwards of 15 years IMHO

muddylegs

Second picture down there is a screw hanging out of your brake housing is that ok?

gezzza

muddylegs wrote:

Second picture down there is a screw hanging out of your brake housing is that ok?

That fine its pad contact screw.

owen908

I recently got a Scott Spark 40 and i needed a couple of rides to get on with it at first. Im used to my Commencal Meta 55 sub 31 pounds and i rode the Spark with the preconception that it was going to be useless when things got vertical (downhill).

I didnt feel confident on it and was all over the place however after a second ride this thing is a missile! It absolutly flies uphill and it so light and responsive you can really let rip on single track. It even handles rocky technical descents suprisingly well : obviously you cant hang it out like on the Meta which is just a loon but if you want to just go fast, the Spark has to be one for me!

You do have to try hard to keep it in shape on the rocky stuff though.

gezzza

owen908 wrote:

I recently got a Scott Spark 40 and i needed a couple of rides to get on with it at first. Im used to my Commencal Meta 55 sub 31 pounds and i rode the Spark with the preconception that it was going to be useless when things got vertical (downhill).

I didnt feel confident on it and was all over the place however after a second ride this thing is a missile! It absolutly flies uphill and it so light and responsive you can really let rip on single track. It even handles rocky technical descents suprisingly well : obviously you cant hang it out like on the Meta which is just a loon but if you want to just go fast, the Spark has to be one for me!

You do have to try hard to keep it in shape on the rocky stuff though.

A good choice they do like to be ridden fast

RidingHigh

I stopped eating crisps and chocolate and lost 35lbs. Isn't that more than an actual bike? :roll:

njee20

Without wanting to sound jealous, which I suspect is impossible... 21lbs seems vaguely possible, but I'm not totally convinced! The finishing kit's relatively heavy, the fork and the wheels are far from the lightest too. I'm struggling to see anywhere you've really saved weight over my Fuel, and that's dead on 21 on my scales.

Would also like to weigh the 19lb alu Marin!

Like what you're doing with the weight saving bits, but personally don't like the look!

The Big Cheese

njee20 wrote:

Without wanting to sound jealous, which I suspect is impossible... 21lbs seems vaguely possible, but I'm not totally convinced! The finishing kit's relatively heavy, the fork and the wheels are far from the lightest too. I'm struggling to see anywhere you've really saved weight over my Fuel, and that's dead on 21 on my scales.

Would also like to weigh the 19lb alu Marin!

Like what you're doing with the weight saving bits, but personally don't like the look!

That's not any ALU Marin - that is a Marks and Spencer's Marin



.... and it would be mine 8)

Weight 18lb 11oz (without pedals) thank you very much!!

njee20

Well of course I'm not suggesting that you made the weight up, but I'd be interested to weigh my bike on the same scales, particularly now I've seen yours :-)

Never really got the 'without pedals' thing either, mine weighs 15lbs without wheels or a fork (figure plucked out of thin air!)