Those savage terrorists, coming all the way from...

teagar

West Yorkshire.

Convicted.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jan/1 ... guns-bombs

Nail bombs & guns.

The court heard that handwritten notebooks were found. One note said: "The patriot must always be ready to defend his country against enemies and their governments."

afx237vi

See also:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_east/8459125.stm

Chip \'oyler

"A 24-year-old man has admitted using his home to make explosives"

Does his mortgage provider know?

Anonymous

The scary thing is, these guys just come across as dozy tw@ts but they could be a catalyst of something bigger. Lock 'em up and throw away the key.

BTW, Teagar, is this your subtle (heehee) way of addressing some balance of your sympathies ?

VinceEager

he was a bus driver -

i always have had a feeling about buses -

teagar

dmclite wrote:

The scary thing is, these guys just come across as dozy tw@ts but they could be a catalyst of something bigger. Lock 'em up and throw away the key.

BTW, Teagar, is this your subtle (heehee) way of addressing some balance of your sympathies ?

It was meant to be a much less subtle way of showing the hypocracy of those who show outrage at islamic extremists, claiming that Islam has made them that way, when, clearly, extremists are everywhere, even at home.

It's telling that this thread gets much fewer responses because the guy convincted of terrorism is white and english.

Surely, as a member of the BNP, using some of the logic some of you use on this forum, we should be denouncing BNP as a terrorist organisation, since some of their members are convicted terrorists?

It's just to point out the hypocracy.

You think I sympathise with terrorists?

If so, you might need your head examining.

Chip \'oyler

teagar wrote:

dmclite wrote:

The scary thing is, these guys just come across as dozy tw@ts but they could be a catalyst of something bigger. Lock 'em up and throw away the key.

BTW, Teagar, is this your subtle (heehee) way of addressing some balance of your sympathies ?

It was meant to be a much less subtle way of showing the hypocracy of those who show outrage at islamic extremists, claiming that Islam has made them that way, when, clearly, extremists are everywhere, even at home.

It's telling that this thread gets much fewer responses because the guy convincted of terrorism is white and english.

Surely, as a member of the BNP, using some of the logic some of you use on this forum, we should be denouncing BNP as a terrorist organisation, since some of their members are convicted terrorists?

It's just to point out the hypocracy.

You think I sympathise with terrorists?

If so, you might need your head examining.

A good point well made.

Anonymous

Chip \'oyler wrote:

teagar wrote:

dmclite wrote:

The scary thing is, these guys just come across as dozy tw@ts but they could be a catalyst of something bigger. Lock 'em up and throw away the key.

BTW, Teagar, is this your subtle (heehee) way of addressing some balance of your sympathies ?

It was meant to be a much less subtle way of showing the hypocracy of those who show outrage at islamic extremists, claiming that Islam has made them that way, when, clearly, extremists are everywhere, even at home.

It's telling that this thread gets much fewer responses because the guy convincted of terrorism is white and english.

Surely, as a member of the BNP, using some of the logic some of you use on this forum, we should be denouncing BNP as a terrorist organisation, since some of their members are convicted terrorists?

It's just to point out the hypocracy.

You think I sympathise with terrorists?

If so, you might need your head examining.

A good point well made.

Their colour is of no concern, or whether they are christian or islamic. Surely it is obvious that a lot of UK born people are fuelled to incite terror, "all the way form W Yorks" is a cheap shot. Home-grown terrorists are one and the same, they just have different agendas. They are all scum, and yes the BNP should be denounced wherever possible, as with any other organisation which foists terror, especially race/religion terror.

No hypocrisy here. I am just confused as your free-speech tirades in earlier posts and topics seems to clash now with your OP in this topic. fair point or shall we lock horns ? (as is my free right to do so).

GavH

teagar wrote:

using some of the logic some of you use on this forum, we should be denouncing BNP as a terrorist organisation, since some of their members are convicted terrorists?

Just because some of the members have been involved in terrorism does not make the whole organisation a terrorist one. Applying that logic would make the two biggest political parties in N Ireland terrorist organisations, when we all know that only one of them actually is.

teagar

dmclite wrote:

Chip \'oyler wrote:

teagar wrote:

dmclite wrote:

The scary thing is, these guys just come across as dozy tw@ts but they could be a catalyst of something bigger. Lock 'em up and throw away the key.

BTW, Teagar, is this your subtle (heehee) way of addressing some balance of your sympathies ?

It was meant to be a much less subtle way of showing the hypocracy of those who show outrage at islamic extremists, claiming that Islam has made them that way, when, clearly, extremists are everywhere, even at home.

It's telling that this thread gets much fewer responses because the guy convincted of terrorism is white and english.

Surely, as a member of the BNP, using some of the logic some of you use on this forum, we should be denouncing BNP as a terrorist organisation, since some of their members are convicted terrorists?

It's just to point out the hypocracy.

You think I sympathise with terrorists?

If so, you might need your head examining.

A good point well made.

Their colour is of no concern, or whether they are christian or islamic. Surely it is obvious that a lot of UK born people are fuelled to incite terror, "all the way form W Yorks" is a cheap shot. Home-grown terrorists are one and the same, they just have different agendas. They are all scum, and yes the BNP should be denounced wherever possible, as with any other organisation which foists terror, especially race/religion terror.

No hypocrisy here. I am just confused as your free-speech tirades in earlier posts and topics seems to clash now with your OP in this topic. fair point or shall we lock horns ? (as is my free right to do so).

I wasn't aware free speech had anything to do with making nail bombs.

You can say what you like, where you like.

You can't make nail bombs.

A lot of the criticisms aimed at groups like, are laced with serious islamophobia (something which they themselves play on - to make themselves seem the victims of an injustice with regard to free speech which is what they're looking for anyway). There's often an implicit assumption that the islam part of it is key to the fact its terrorist - which is quite wrong.

Islam lends itself as much to terrorism as any other profound belief, whether faith,political or social. Examples like this highlight it.

People like me get wrongly accused of sympathising with islamic extremists by people like you because there is a total inbalance between the way islamic and non-islamic extremists are treated. I feel that they should be treated equally - and as such appear to be constantly siding with one side in order to adress that balance. They should both be allowed to say what they want where they want, without fear of physical or illegal reprisal. Those who don't agree should be allowed also to voice their protest against it, peacefully. They should both not be allowed to be terrorists or break the law.

It's quite simple.

That guys like this BNP guy get blown off as a one off case wherears gigantic islamic institutions, of which maybe a handfull might be extremist, a tiny proportion, get tarred with the same extreme brush, is what really gets me. It's implicit, suggested and assumed islamophobia that crops into so many discussions over terrorism.

rake

while were on the subject what are the aims of being a muslim? you seem to know a lot about it.

Anonymous

teagar wrote:

dmclite wrote:

Chip \'oyler wrote:

teagar wrote:

dmclite wrote:

The scary thing is, these guys just come across as dozy tw@ts but they could be a catalyst of something bigger. Lock 'em up and throw away the key.

BTW, Teagar, is this your subtle (heehee) way of addressing some balance of your sympathies ?

It was meant to be a much less subtle way of showing the hypocracy of those who show outrage at islamic extremists, claiming that Islam has made them that way, when, clearly, extremists are everywhere, even at home.

It's telling that this thread gets much fewer responses because the guy convincted of terrorism is white and english.

Surely, as a member of the BNP, using some of the logic some of you use on this forum, we should be denouncing BNP as a terrorist organisation, since some of their members are convicted terrorists?

It's just to point out the hypocracy.

You think I sympathise with terrorists?

If so, you might need your head examining.

A good point well made.

Their colour is of no concern, or whether they are christian or islamic. Surely it is obvious that a lot of UK born people are fuelled to incite terror, "all the way form W Yorks" is a cheap shot. Home-grown terrorists are one and the same, they just have different agendas. They are all scum, and yes the BNP should be denounced wherever possible, as with any other organisation which foists terror, especially race/religion terror.

No hypocrisy here. I am just confused as your free-speech tirades in earlier posts and topics seems to clash now with your OP in this topic. fair point or shall we lock horns ? (as is my free right to do so).

I wasn't aware free speech had anything to do with making nail bombs.

You can say what you like, where you like.

You can't make nail bombs.

A lot of the criticisms aimed at groups like, are laced with serious islamophobia (something which they themselves play on - to make themselves seem the victims of an injustice with regard to free speech which is what they're looking for anyway). There's often an implicit assumption that the islam part of it is key to the fact its terrorist - which is quite wrong.

Islam lends itself as much to terrorism as any other profound belief, whether faith,political or social. Examples like this highlight it.

People like me get wrongly accused of sympathising with islamic extremists by people like you because there is a total inbalance between the way islamic and non-islamic extremists are treated. I feel that they should be treated equally - and as such appear to be constantly siding with one side in order to adress that balance. They should both be allowed to say what they want where they want, without fear of physical or illegal reprisal. Those who don't agree should be allowed also to voice their protest against it, peacefully. They should both not be allowed to be terrorists or break the law.

It's quite simple.

That guys like this BNP guy get blown off as a one off case wherears gigantic islamic institutions, of which maybe a handfull might be extremist, a tiny proportion, get tarred with the same extreme brush, is what really gets me. It's implicit, suggested and assumed islamophobia that crops into so many discussions over terrorism.

You seem to be digging yourself a hole here, to be accused of being sympathetic must mean there is ground for your views. There is something inherently wrong with a religion that passes death sentences on satirical cartoonists, women falling in love with the wrong man and authors. Fundemental Islam is such a sexist and draconian way of living from a Christian point of view.

The other point is the UK is engaged in a conflict with Islamic insurgents, they are the enemy, a few decades ago we would have internment camps such as in WWII.

I think a lot of the extreme Islamic diatribe in this country is treasonable and morally opposed to a British way of life.

BTW it is not assumed Islamaphobia in the discussions, it is amatter of righting hypocrisy and defending our way of life.

Ben6899

dmclite wrote:

... "all the way form W Yorks" is a cheap shot...

What gives you the impression that is a cheap shot? I'm genuinely intrigued.

Ben

Ben6899

rake wrote:

while were on the subject what are the aims of being a muslim? you seem to know a lot about it.

What are the aims? Aims?

How do you mean?

Anonymous

Ben6899 wrote:

dmclite wrote:

... "all the way form W Yorks" is a cheap shot...

What gives you the impression that is a cheap shot? I'm genuinely intrigued.

Ben

Are you thick ?

Anonymous

Go on teagar send me a link from the Guardian and get it over with. Hee Hee.

rake

Ben6899 wrote:

rake wrote:

while were on the subject what are the aims of being a muslim? you seem to know a lot about it.

What are the aims? Aims?

How do you mean?

i think a lot of people are concerned about islam because it supports one world religion in the quran. that leaves no room for others. the main thing is people dont generally want britain to be changed beyond recognition and throw all our culture and history in the bin in one foul swoop. what i mean is turning britain islamic. yorkshire isnt generally know for extremism, thats an isolated incident i think thats what he meant about a cheap shot.how did religion come into it anyway. this is just one ex-army crackpot gone off the rails. he doesnt represent large organised groups trying to blow people up, i think thats where the imbalance in reaction comes from. its proportionate to one man.

Anonymous

rake wrote:

Ben6899 wrote:

rake wrote:

while were on the subject what are the aims of being a muslim? you seem to know a lot about it.

What are the aims? Aims?

How do you mean?

i think a lot of people are concerned about islam because it supports one world religion in the quran. that leaves no room for others. the main thing is people dont generally want britain to be changed beyond recognition and throw all our culture and history in the bin in one foul swoop. what i mean is turning britain islamic. yorkshire isnt generally know for extremism, thats an isolated incident i think thats what he meant about a cheap shot.how did religion come into it anyway. this is just one ex-army crackpot gone off the rails. he doesnt represent large organised groups trying to blow people up, i think thats where the imbalance in reaction comes from. its proportionate to one man.

You said what I wanted to. Plus, the vast majority of the UK know the BNP are a bunch of racist Ar5eholes anyway.

Ben6899

rake wrote:

Ben6899 wrote:

rake wrote:

while were on the subject what are the aims of being a muslim? you seem to know a lot about it.

What are the aims? Aims?

How do you mean?

i think a lot of people are concerned about islam because it supports one world religion in the quran. that leaves no room for others. the main thing is people dont generally want britain to be changed beyond recognition and throw all our culture and history in the bin in one foul swoop. what i mean is turning britain islamic. yorkshire isnt generally know for extremism, thats an isolated incident i think thats what he meant about a cheap shot.how did religion come into it anyway. this is just one ex-army crackpot gone off the rails. he doesnt represent large organised groups trying to blow people up, i think thats where the imbalance in reaction comes from. its proportionate to one man.

Gotcha. I just don't think "aims" is the best word for what you're getting at. "Ideals" maybe.

Ben

Ben6899

dmclite wrote:

Ben6899 wrote:

dmclite wrote:

... "all the way form W Yorks" is a cheap shot...

What gives you the impression that is a cheap shot? I'm genuinely intrigued.

Ben

Are you thick ?

Wow, such a charmer. Seeing as you ask; no I'm not thick; far from it actually.

I read it as the poster highlighting the fact that we have extremists on our doorsteps. The latest extremist is from Batley. If he were from Rotherham, then I'm sure we would be reading "all the way from S Yorks".

Anonymous

Ben6899 wrote:

dmclite wrote:

Ben6899 wrote:

dmclite wrote:

... "all the way form W Yorks" is a cheap shot...

What gives you the impression that is a cheap shot? I'm genuinely intrigued.

Ben

Are you thick ?

Wow, such a charmer. Seeing as you ask; no I'm not thick; far from it actually.

I read it as the poster highlighting the fact that we have extremists on our doorsteps. The latest extremist is from Batley. If he were from Rotherham, then I'm sure we would be reading "all the way from S Yorks".

Tongue firmly in cheek when posting, sorry I thought you were taking the mick.

Ben6899

No worries. I was genuinely interested in your reasoning.