national hill climb championship 2010
Gesmi
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My apologies if it is very obviously advertised elsewhere, but can anyone confirm the date and location for the above event? My best guess is KH27 on 31/10 - does this sound right?
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According to the provisional events list from the CTT, that is correct.0
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I know the historical reason for the secret codes for the locations of TTs but why are they perpetuated today?0
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That's what it says on the provisional list of CTT events for 2010 here: http://www.ctt.org.uk/Home/tabid/36/ite ... fault.aspx
You might be interested to know that the Speedwell BC are running an earlier event on the same hill on 26th September - in case you'd like some practice on that hill before the National Championship?
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ColinJ wrote:I know the historical reason for the secret codes for the locations of TTs but why are they perpetuated today?
Well a particular road might have a few variations so you couldn't just say this or that road. I have only been TTing 1 year and I don't find a problem, they are all easy to locate based on the codes.
Not sure what other way you use to identify a particular course.0 -
They are not 'secret' as such. But a code is as good a way of describing a course as any other.ColinJ wrote:I know the historical reason for the secret codes for the locations of TTs but why are they perpetuated today?
For those who race a lot it's much easier to talk about the K33/10 than to say "the course which starts on the A46 just east of the Little Chef island near to Alcester, goes down to the Salford Priors island, retraces, then turns down the road to Oversley Green."
Admittedly the hill-climbs could be described by the name of the hill, but if you've only got a few characters of space in that field in the handbook, then you need a code which can be looked up elsewhere, like all the course descriptions for all the flat courses. If there were no codes then the listing of events would be a complete nightmare.
Given that there are hundreds and hundreds of courses, all managed by local district committees and many with slight nuances and variations, different start and finish points etc, having codes is extremely sensible. I've never understood why people outside the sport think it's so unhelpful and bizarre. It doesn't take long to work out which initial letters represent courses close to you.
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Ooops, sorry Steve. Two steps behind you today!SBezza wrote:ColinJ wrote:I know the historical reason for the secret codes for the locations of TTs but why are they perpetuated today?
Well a particular road might have a few variations so you couldn't just say this or that road. I have only been TTing 1 year and I don't find a problem, they are all easy to locate based on the codes.
Not sure what other way you use to identify a particular course.
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Okay, the 'codes' are convenient descriptive labels - fair enough.
I've never ridden a TT in my life so it all seems cryptic to me. How would I go about working out where KH27 actually is (for example)?
Is there a webpage where I could type in a code and it would give me a course description?
How would I find/create a list of all events within a given radius of somewhere? For example, all the hillclimb TTs within a 20 mile radius of Hebden Bridge.
One day I might want to have a go at time trialling and I'd like to know where to find this information.
PS I prefer the idea of descriptive event names such as 'Spring into the Dales' (often abbreviated to SITD) or 'Pain in the Pennines' (PitP).0 -
http://www.cyclingtimetrials.org.uk/Events/Courses/tabid/204/Default.aspx
Here. Some of the descriptions and mapping could be improved though.0 -
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PS I prefer the idea of descriptive event names such as 'Spring into the Dales' (often abbreviated to SITD) or 'Pain in the Pennines' (PitP).[/quote]
That's all right if you only have a few events - but when you have a number - I'm organising 8 this year - its just not worth it.
You can find detai;s of courses on the CTT website (surprisingly enough under "courses")
also there are details on the Time Trialling Forum website (also surprisingly enough under "courses") .
I'm an OAP and I have no problems finding these things out.
For the more brain dead amongst us:
http://www.cyclingtimetrials.org.uk/Eve ... fault.aspx0 -
I find the brain dead comment a bit much, but I admit that I hadn't actually gone on the CTT site to check how easy it is to find local courses so perhaps I am!blackhands wrote:PS I prefer the idea of descriptive event names such as 'Spring into the Dales' (often abbreviated to SITD) or 'Pain in the Pennines' (PitP).
That's all right if you only have a few events - but when you have a number - I'm organising 8 this year - its just not worth it.
You can find detai;s of courses on the CTT website (surprisingly enough under "courses")
also there are details on the Time Trialling Forum website (also surprisingly enough under "courses") .
I'm an OAP and I have no problems finding these things out.
For the more brain dead amongst us:
http://www.cyclingtimetrials.org.uk/Eve ... fault.aspx
I've done that now and found a few that I'm interested in, including V9916, V9919, V9920, V999 and V961!0 -
Hi - OP here.
THank you for all the useful comments, esp the tip about the race on the same hill earlier in the year. As a follow up question, does anyone know what qualification metrix are used for this event or is it first come first served?
P.S. I have bookmarked the CTT page with the courses, I'd looked for it before and never found it so thanks for that too! Looks like only the OAP is not brain dead round here!
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blackhands wrote:
Maybe you're a bit brain dead as that link was posted a good 3mins before you bothered to post! 0 -
Gesmi wrote:Hi - OP here.
THank you for all the useful comments, esp the tip about the race on the same hill earlier in the year. As a follow up question, does anyone know what qualification metrix are used for this event or is it first come first served?
P.S. I have bookmarked the CTT page with the courses, I'd looked for it before and never found it so thanks for that too! Looks like only the OAP is not brain dead round here! :roll:
Having a look at the Start Sheet for this year's Nat Hill Climb Champ. the field is limited to 150.
http://www.rttc.org.uk/?&ge390__geka=0q ... B&tabid=62
I'm not sure what the criterion for selection is (it will be somehow based on performance - not 'first come first served' ) so you need a good result or two to put on your entry form. Don't forget you need to be in a club to enter CTT Events.0 -
Percy Vera wrote:blackhands wrote:
Maybe you're a bit brain dead as that link was posted a good 3mins before you bothered to post!
Nope - not brain dead.
I didn't see the previous post for a very good reason - I was trying to get a link to the time trialling forum website which also has course details, but seemed to be down at the time.0 -
blackhands wrote:
Having a look at the Start Sheet for this year's Nat Hill Climb Champ. the field is limited to 150.
I'm not sure what the criterion for selection is (it will be somehow based on performance - not 'first come first served' ) so you need a good result or two to put on your entry form. Don't forget you need to be in a club to enter CTT Events.
Thanks for this. I came 6th in the regional championships in 2009 and won the Club Hill Climb which is why I'm contemplating having a bash at the National! Not deluding myself that it will mean anything but competing to avoid the Latern Rouge/Wooden Spoon but should be an experience. Mind you, as far as I can tell it looks like the Catford CC Hill Climb is as good as anything for atmosphere and crowds!
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Gesmi wrote:blackhands wrote:
Having a look at the Start Sheet for this year's Nat Hill Climb Champ. the field is limited to 150.
I'm not sure what the criterion for selection is (it will be somehow based on performance - not 'first come first served' ) so you need a good result or two to put on your entry form. Don't forget you need to be in a club to enter CTT Events.
Thanks for this. I came 6th in the regional championships in 2009 and won the Club Hill Climb which is why I'm contemplating having a bash at the National! Not deluding myself that it will mean anything but competing to avoid the Latern Rouge/Wooden Spoon but should be an experience. Mind you, as far as I can tell it looks like the Catford CC Hill Climb is as good as anything for atmosphere and crowds!
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You should get in the Nat then.
If you do the Catford you can do the Bec CC Hill Climb in the afternoon.0 -
perhaps I should have mentioned that hardly anyone turned up for the club race on account of the filthy weather..........0
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blackhands wrote:[quote=
PS I prefer the idea of descriptive event names such as 'Spring into the Dales' (often abbreviated to SITD) or 'Pain in the Pennines' (PitP).
That's all right if you only have a few events - but when you have a number - I'm organising 8 this year - its just not worth it.
You can find detai;s of courses on the CTT website (surprisingly enough under "courses")
also there are details on the Time Trialling Forum website (also surprisingly enough under "courses") .
I'm an OAP and I have no problems finding these things out.
For the more brain dead amongst us:
http://www.cyclingtimetrials.org.uk/Eve ... fault.aspx[/quote]
Course details on the Time Trialling Forum website:
http://www.timetriallingforum.co.uk/ind ... opic=185860 -
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No, they would have codes like MCRoD (Macc - Congleton Road of Doom)
or 'The Quadinator' for a particular hillclimb.0 -
Gesmi wrote:Hi - OP here.
THank you for all the useful comments, esp the tip about the race on the same hill earlier in the year. As a follow up question, does anyone know what qualification metrix are used for this event or is it first come first served?
P.S. I have bookmarked the CTT page with the courses, I'd looked for it before and never found it so thanks for that too! Looks like only the OAP is not brain dead round here! :roll:
Gesmi - the field for the national will be capped at a max entry of 150 riders, A proportion of these will be allocated to women and juniors.
If the event is oversubscribed for the mens event then a selection critreria is used. On the entry form you have to list your most recent performances in open and club events. These are used to determine the 'top 120 riders'. Same as a flat 10 mile TT - if oversubscribed then unless its a slowest 120 then the fastest 120 times within the qualifying period will be used to select the field.
The national hill climb is a great event, I rode in 2009 on Pea Royd Lane. The standard is high, I won two Open regional hill climbs last season, but 'only' came 48th in the nationals. As you'd expect the nationals attracts the best in what is a pretty specialist discipline.
Great atmosphere - if you want to broaden your hill climbing horizons I would contend that the majority of the best ones leading into the nationals are in Lancashire andYorkshire and it is at these events that most of the big hitters test their form.
The climb on Rambsottom rake is perhaps one of the best, truly epic, commentary and BIG crowd. Short mind you at 3 mins. (2'20ish for the national contenders).
My favourite part of the season the hill climbs. Happy days.0
