Frozen Britain
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Saw this on the BBC news site, awww pretty.
Sorry it's a big pic though
Sorry it's a big pic though
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proof that global warming is a lie 8)0
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Yes the weather is what we get from day to day, climate is what we get over a 30 year period (the news explained it last night).Christophe3967 wrote:0 -
Ireland has more outdoor heaters since the smoking ban has been in force longer.0
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amnezia wrote:proof that global warming is a lie 8)
Global warming will actually make us colder in winter, as the gulf stream ceases. That means the warmer currents will miss us out, leading to more of what we are currently enjoying. Possibly warmer and drier in summer as the conveyer belt of low pressure systems slows down."Encyclopaedia is a fetish for very small bicycles"0 -
Wallace1492 wrote:amnezia wrote:proof that global warming is a lie 8)
Global warming will actually make us colder in winter, as the gulf stream ceases. That means the warmer currents will miss us out, leading to more of what we are currently enjoying. Possibly warmer and drier in summer as the conveyer belt of low pressure systems slows down.
Ace!
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prawny wrote:Saw this on the BBC news site, awww pretty.
Sorry it's a big pic though
I can see my house from there!
I've seen that picture before though, it was in 'Day after tomorrow'.
It's a fake!Food Chain number = 4
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[quote="Wallace1492")Global warming will actually make us colder in winter, as the gulf stream ceases. [/quote]
You mean if the gulf stream happens to be moved a bit further south, which is one theory and based on a prediction based on a (probably) badly modelled version of what we think the system is really like. It might happen, it might not. That's what makes this climate change stuff so much fun.0 -
Eau Rouge wrote:[quote="Wallace1492")Global warming will actually make us colder in winter, as the gulf stream ceases.
You mean if the gulf stream happens to be moved a bit further south, which is one theory and based on a prediction based on a (probably) badly modelled version of what we think the system is really like. It might happen, it might not. That's what makes this climate change stuff so much fun.[/quote]
Could move south or cease altogether. Either case would not be great news for us, well not for warmer winters!
It is likely to have happened before, hence last ice age. Proabably a cyclical event, humans may not effect it at all, but who knows.
Some sort of super volcano eruption will put all the muck we have been spewing out for 1000's of years to shame. Doesn't mean we should just keep polluting though...."Encyclopaedia is a fetish for very small bicycles"0 -
Christophe3967 wrote:
That's why the full title is
"Climate Change (but also Staying The Same)*
*Now with added tax!"0 -
Wallace1492 wrote:Some sort of super volcano eruption will put all the muck we have been spewing out for 1000's of years to shame. Doesn't mean we should just keep polluting though....
Just read Superfreakonomics. Some interesting stuff in there.0 -
Aren't Bill and Ted due to come back from the future, play THAT song and unify the Universe with their 'nardly-tubular-awesome' music.
Pepsi Max dude!Food Chain number = 4
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Wallace1492 wrote:Some sort of super volcano eruption will put all the muck we have been spewing out for 1000's of years to shame. Doesn't mean we should just keep polluting though....
Speaking strictly in terms of CO2 emmisions, why not?
I'm ill informed, but I haven't seen anyone seriously saying that stopping human CO2 emmisions would actually prevent "global warming". It would apparantly "save the planet" but that seems to be nothing more than a hollow marketing slogan, there is nothing behind it.
So if global warming is going to happen anyway wouldn't we be much better off planning for and dealing with the effects of that warming rather than worrying about making our lives arbitrarily harder as a some sort of guilt-motivated penance that can't and won't actually achieve anything?
Is it just me or has "global warming" long been hijacked by those who's real goal is to drag everyone back to the pre-Regency era by any means possible?0 -
DonDaddyD wrote:Aren't Bill and Ted due to come back from the future, play THAT song and unify the Universe with their 'nardly-tubular-awesome' music.
Pepsi Max dude!
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I don't follow the climate debate all that closely, hence saying I'm ill informed on it, so I was hoping someone might be able to inform me that there is real evidence that stopping human CO2 emmisions would prevent global warming happening, thus making efforts to reduce how much CO2 we produce be of actual real benefit. I don't seem to have ever seen anything like that.0
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If it's going to happen anyway, then yes... but we don't know that, and if we wait until we know for sure then it may be "too late".Eau Rouge wrote:So if global warming is going to happen anyway wouldn't we be much better off planning for and dealing with the effects of that warming ...Is it just me or has "global warming" long been hijacked by those who's real goal is to drag everyone back to the pre-Regency era by any means possible?
It's been hijacked by all sorts of folks... :-(
Concensus is a dangerous word when it comes to science- Not long ago the world was flat and positioned at the centre of a small, young universe... However, it seems quite likely that human actions have contributed to a significant climate change that will probably have unpleasant consequences for many people. Given that some reasonably painless action now could mitigate the effects that seem to be occurring and hopefully prevent the rest of the world from repeating our mistakes (and making the situation dramatically worse), it seems like a sensible insurance policy to tackle the issue now, even if it does turn out to have been pointless later.
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Snowy Britain is so beautiful
Just bought some silver snow boots from ASDA, had fun rolling around in the fresh snow on Wednesday, and my road isn't too treacherous so I managed work the past two days (but still don't fancy the ride to work as the sides of the roads are full of varying levels of slush and ice).
LOVE snow. Reminds me of my early childhood.
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Really cold up here, but good old Health and Safety has scuppered plans to have the first curling Grand match in over 30 years. Probably no chance it will ever be held again.
Allegedly they cannot guarantee safety of 2,000 people throwing large granite stones about on a frozen Loch (Lake) and the safety of the thousands of spectators.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/tayside_and_central/8448669.stm"Encyclopaedia is a fetish for very small bicycles"0 -
Wallace1492 wrote:Really cold up here, but good old Health and Safety has scuppered plans to have the first curling Grand match in over 30 years. Probably no chance it will ever be held again.
Allegedly they cannot guarantee safety of 2,000 people throwing large granite stones about on a frozen Loch (Lake) and the safety of the thousands of spectators.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/tayside_and_central/8448669.stm
Hang on, you said global warming will make us colder, so it's more likely it'll be held in the future.
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amnezia wrote:proof that global warming is a lie 8)
I think the fact that you seem to think the UK = the globe says all it needs to about that kind of attitude
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UndercoverElephant wrote:Wallace1492 wrote:Really cold up here, but good old Health and Safety has scuppered plans to have the first curling Grand match in over 30 years. Probably no chance it will ever be held again.
Allegedly they cannot guarantee safety of 2,000 people throwing large granite stones about on a frozen Loch (Lake) and the safety of the thousands of spectators.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/tayside_and_central/8448669.stm
Hang on, you said global warming will make us colder, so it's more likely it'll be held in the future.
Yes, yes, but I meant that if H&S scupper it now, the they will never sanction it in the future. The Loch could be frozen solid, but H&S will say it is too slippy. Or too cold. The players might need patio heaters.... changing facilities and toilets..."Encyclopaedia is a fetish for very small bicycles"0 -
WGWarburton wrote:Concensus is a dangerous word when it comes to science- Not long ago the world was flat and positioned at the centre of a small, young universe... However, it seems quite likely that human actions have contributed to a significant climate change that will probably have unpleasant consequences for many people. Given that some reasonably painless action now could mitigate the effects that seem to be occurring and hopefully prevent the rest of the world from repeating our mistakes (and making the situation dramatically worse), it seems like a sensible insurance policy to tackle the issue now, even if it does turn out to have been pointless later.
Painless? We don't have viable alternatives to burning fossil fuels, and burning fossil fuels is what causes CO2 emmisions. Less cooling/heating, less electricty use and less travel for ourselves and the goods we import/export are not "painless" but really quite fundamental changes, unless you were around during the Napolionic wars of course.
mitigate the effects? Melting ice in Greenland and Antartica raising sea levels is the main forseable problem, isn't it? Expaning deserts aren't great either, but not that huge a problem.
The British Isles reverting to the same climate everyone else at 50+ deg North has is not a reason to stop global warming.
The crux of my problem with the whole thing is exactly that it seems the ice will melt anyway, even if we stopped all human CO2 emiisions next year (unless someone can show me otherwise?)
If the ice melts, the fact we all stopped flying or used energy effecient light bulbs won't matter. If the ice melts anyway, anything we do to stop global warming will have been a waste of valuable time and money. I'd rather not take the pain if it's not actually going to achieve anything.
The rest of the world repeating our mistakes is less of a concern. For one, there is only so much fossil fuels available to burn. The solution to that is therefore the same as to us burning those fuels, finding real, viable, alternatives. That should be the sensible insurance policy, but it seems it's not even on the agenda while everyone worries about carbon footprints instead.0
