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Frank the tank
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Islam4UK, a platform for the global front Al-Muhajiroun, would like to announce the launch of a momentous march that is scheduled to take place in the following weeks, details of which will be released shortly inshaa'allah (God willing).
The destination of this very special event is the small market town of Wootton Bassett, located 6 miles Southwest of Swindon, in northern Wiltshire; Wootton Bassett, is currently famous for its public mourning processions held in memory of British soldiers killed whilst on military service in Afghanistan; coffins containing the dismembered bodies of these soldiers are usually draped in union jack flags and driven through the town centre from RAF Lyneham, as a tribute to their ‘sacrifice'.
The proposed march by members of Islam4UK is however of a very different venture, held not in memory of the occupying and merciless British military, but rather the real war dead who have been shunned by the Western media and general public as they were and continue to be horrifically murdered in the name of Democracy and Freedom - the innocent Muslim men, women and children.
It is quite extraordinary, that with well over 100,000 Muslims killed in Afghanistan in the last 8 years that those military serviceman who have directly or indirectly contributed to their death are paraded as war heroes and moreover honoured for what is ultimately genocide.
We at Islam4UK find this totally unacceptable and as a result have decided to launch the ‘Wootton Bassett March' to highlight the real casualties of this brutal Crusade.
I think the authorities should in the intersts of free speech allow this march, but with no policeforce or other security present.
The destination of this very special event is the small market town of Wootton Bassett, located 6 miles Southwest of Swindon, in northern Wiltshire; Wootton Bassett, is currently famous for its public mourning processions held in memory of British soldiers killed whilst on military service in Afghanistan; coffins containing the dismembered bodies of these soldiers are usually draped in union jack flags and driven through the town centre from RAF Lyneham, as a tribute to their ‘sacrifice'.
The proposed march by members of Islam4UK is however of a very different venture, held not in memory of the occupying and merciless British military, but rather the real war dead who have been shunned by the Western media and general public as they were and continue to be horrifically murdered in the name of Democracy and Freedom - the innocent Muslim men, women and children.
It is quite extraordinary, that with well over 100,000 Muslims killed in Afghanistan in the last 8 years that those military serviceman who have directly or indirectly contributed to their death are paraded as war heroes and moreover honoured for what is ultimately genocide.
We at Islam4UK find this totally unacceptable and as a result have decided to launch the ‘Wootton Bassett March' to highlight the real casualties of this brutal Crusade.
I think the authorities should in the intersts of free speech allow this march, but with no policeforce or other security present.
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The above post may contain traces of sarcasm or/and bullsh*t.
The above post may contain traces of sarcasm or/and bullsh*t.
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Frank the tank wrote:
I think the authorities should in the intersts of free speech allow this march, but with no policeforce or other security present.
Why?Note: the above post is an opinion and not fact. It might be a lie.0 -
Fair comments IMO about civilian casualties... but why no police/security at their protest :?0
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Because I think they're deliberately picking the site of their mach to be inflammatory to the general populace of this country and to cause outrage (my opinion). If that is part of the aim of the "protest" then let people be outraged and in the interest of free speech allow them to counter protest.
Plus, why should the people of Wooton Bassett pick up the policing tab. If they (Islam4UK) wish to ensure their own safety during such a deliberately offencive demo they shoild pay for it themselves. Pretty much how football clubs have to pay for the policing of their grounds.Tail end Charlie
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Frank the tank wrote:Because I think they're deliberately picking the site of their mach to be inflammatory to the general populace of this country and to cause outrage (my opinion). If that is part of the aim of the "protest" then let people be outraged and in the interest of free speech allow them to counter protest.
Having a police presence there wouldn't stop other people counter protesting. That is just another expression of free speech.
Why deny them police protection just because of their politics?
The police would be there to prevent some predicable outcomes which are agaisnt the law.Note: the above post is an opinion and not fact. It might be a lie.0 -
Why isn't this surprising ? If these people do march then lets see their faces, no scarves or masks, if this is what you believe then let everyone see what you think is "right".
Pity Islam didn't shout too loudly during the Iran-Iraq war, brother against brother ?
Western help for the islamic mujiahadeen during the Soviet/Afghan war in the 1980's is forgotten now.
Blinkered, bigoted cowards who march. If they don't agree fair enough but please do not dis -respect UK war dead.This is almost treasonable, makes me furious.0 -
teagar wrote:Frank the tank wrote:Because I think they're deliberately picking the site of their mach to be inflammatory to the general populace of this country and to cause outrage (my opinion). If that is part of the aim of the "protest" then let people be outraged and in the interest of free speech allow them to counter protest.
Having a police presence there wouldn't stop other people counter protesting. That is just another expression of free speech.
Why deny them police protection just because of their politics?
The police would be there to prevent some predicable outcomes which are agaisnt the law.
BTW, whether you like it or not we are actually at war with a section of the Islamic community, I suppose in 1941 you'd have let the"blackshirts" march down the mall as a democratic right.Tail end Charlie
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Oh well, right, or wrong, here we go...
Wootton Bassett is where our dead Forces personnel are returned. Where the general public show respect, as the soldiers begin their final journey.
This Islam4UK appear to be aiming to march here to cause conflict.
Why not arrange the march in Afghanistan... no Police, or security, it is noted for it's encouragement of 'free speech', is it not!
Once again, religion gets involved!
This is not about the fallen inncent Afghan people, but about Islam, so take it there...
That's what I think of that!
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Frank the tank wrote:teagar wrote:Frank the tank wrote:Because I think they're deliberately picking the site of their mach to be inflammatory to the general populace of this country and to cause outrage (my opinion). If that is part of the aim of the "protest" then let people be outraged and in the interest of free speech allow them to counter protest.
Having a police presence there wouldn't stop other people counter protesting. That is just another expression of free speech.
Why deny them police protection just because of their politics?
The police would be there to prevent some predicable outcomes which are agaisnt the law.
BTW, whether you like it or not we are actually at war with a section of the Islamic community, I suppose in 1941 you'd have let the"blackshirts" march down the mall as a democratic right.
Ha.
"We"?
I'm not english.
The UK is engaged in a war with a nation. That it is islamic, is, and should be, in the eyes of the law, completely irrelevant.
The protestors are not waging war. They demonstrating an opinion.
I thought that was what the UK stood for anyway? A country that can tolerate all peaceful and political demonstrations - even ones that oppose that notion?Note: the above post is an opinion and not fact. It might be a lie.0 -
By all means let them march - they do have some valid points. But doing it in Wootton Bassett is very disrespectful, and is meant to cause as much aggro and PR as possible.Expertly coached by http://www.vitessecyclecoaching.co.uk/
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teagar wrote:Ha.
"We"?
I'm not english.
The UK is engaged in a war with a nation. That it is islamic, is, and should be, in the eyes of the law, completely irrelevant.
The protestors are not waging war. They demonstrating an opinion.
I thought that was what the UK stood for anyway? A country that can tolerate all peaceful and political demonstrations - even ones that oppose that notion?
No, you are not English, or you would have spelt it with a capital letter!
I am not English, either, I'm Welsh, but this is about Britain not England.
The protestors are not waging war, true... They are trying to encourage anti British feelings, basically citing a riot. But, that's ok, because in your eyes, it's completely irrelevant.Start with a budget, finish with a mortgage!0 -
why don't they march on a plank... off a cliff
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Frank the tank, I think some things are best kept out of Cake Stop, and discussed face to face, with those you know.
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hopper1 wrote:Oh well, right, or wrong, here we go...
Wootton Bassett is where our dead Forces personnel are returned. Where the general public show respect, as the soldiers begin their final journey.
This Islam4UK appear to be aiming to march here to cause conflict.
Why not arrange the march in Afghanistan... no Police, or security, it is noted for it's encouragement of 'free speech', is it not!
Once again, religion gets involved!
This is not about the fallen inncent Afghan people, but about Islam, so take it there...
That's what I think of that!
I'm off to the cupboard for a comforting Mince Pie, now. :roll:
Not quite, Wooton Bassett is on the route from RAF Lyneham to the Radcliffe hopsital in Oxford where the bodies have to go to the coronor before being released to their families
These people are missing the point of why so many innocent Afghan men women and children are dying. It is the choice of the Taleban, Afhgan and other nations mercenary fighters to wage a geurilla war dressed as the innocent populace do and operating out of civillian settlements. I'm also pretty sure that it's not Briish soldiers strapping explosives to themselves and suicide bombing markets and civillian gatherings.
If the allied forces had a choice I'm sure they'd rather face a uniformed enemey entirely away from the civilian populace. Never going to happen though is it.
I wonder if the UAF will be as keen to counter demonstrate against this brand of extremism as much as they are when the English Defence League and similar nutters from the opposite end of the spectrum want to march.0 -
hopper1 wrote:teagar wrote:Ha.
"We"?
I'm not english.
The UK is engaged in a war with a nation. That it is islamic, is, and should be, in the eyes of the law, completely irrelevant.
The protestors are not waging war. They demonstrating an opinion.
I thought that was what the UK stood for anyway? A country that can tolerate all peaceful and political demonstrations - even ones that oppose that notion?
No, you are not English, or you would have spelt it with a capital letter!
I am not English, either, I'm Welsh, but this is about Britain not England.
The protestors are not waging war, true... They are trying to encourage anti British feelings, basically citing a riot. But, that's ok, because in your eyes, it's completely irrelevant.
Look. I don't agree with the protestors.
But, the way I see it, it would be hypocritical to let them do otherwise.
Sure you could try and persuade them to protest somewhere else, even move them somewhere where they can express their opinion freely and cause minimal offense, but you can't stop them!
Because the vast majority don't agree, doesn't mean it shouldn't be said.
No-one's political opinion is worth more than another, so people can't pick and choose as they see fit, since everyone thinks differently.
It seems to me the protestors are playing on the nation's islamophobia. The more anger they stir up, the more they end up looking like the victims of discrimination.Note: the above post is an opinion and not fact. It might be a lie.0 -
teagar wrote:hopper1 wrote:teagar wrote:Ha.
"We"?
I'm not english.
The UK is engaged in a war with a nation. That it is islamic, is, and should be, in the eyes of the law, completely irrelevant.
The protestors are not waging war. They demonstrating an opinion.
I thought that was what the UK stood for anyway? A country that can tolerate all peaceful and political demonstrations - even ones that oppose that notion?
No, you are not English, or you would have spelt it with a capital letter!
I am not English, either, I'm Welsh, but this is about Britain not England.
The protestors are not waging war, true... They are trying to encourage anti British feelings, basically citing a riot. But, that's ok, because in your eyes, it's completely irrelevant.
Look. I don't agree with the protestors.
But, the way I see it, it would be hypocritical to let them do otherwise.
Sure you could try and persuade them to protest somewhere else, even move them somewhere where they can express their opinion freely and cause minimal offense, but you can't stop them!
Because the vast majority don't agree, doesn't mean it shouldn't be said.
No-one's political opinion is worth more than another, so people can't pick and choose as they see fit, since everyone thinks differently.
It seems to me the protestors are playing on the nation's islamophobia. The more anger they stir up, the more they end up looking like the victims of discrimination.
That is an opinion and not a fact.
If these people want to march, then let them. Let the whole country see what respect an Islamic organisation has for fallen war dead. The point of their march will be lost in the outrage that will follow.
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teagar wrote:Look. I don't agree with the protestors.
But, the way I see it, it would be hypocritical to let them do otherwise.
Sure you could try and persuade them to protest somewhere else, even move them somewhere where they can express their opinion freely and cause minimal offense, but you can't stop them!
Because the vast majority don't agree, doesn't mean it shouldn't be said.
No-one's political opinion is worth more than another, so people can't pick and choose as they see fit, since everyone thinks differently.
It seems to me the protestors are playing on the nation's islamophobia. The more anger they stir up, the more they end up looking like the victims of discrimination.
People can pick & choose where they live! If they disagree with how Britain are handling this, why not go back to wherever they came from?
Yes, them playing on the Nations Islamaphobia is tantamount to stirring up feelings and citing a riot!Start with a budget, finish with a mortgage!0 -
Frank the tank wrote:It is quite extraordinary, that with well over 100,000 Muslims killed in Afghanistan in the last 8 years that those military serviceman who have directly or indirectly contributed to their death are paraded as war heroes and moreover honoured for what is ultimately genocide.
I'm sorry but Islam4UK are retards.
Who's caused most of the Islamic civilian deaths? Islamic terrorists. Freedom fighters or terrorists? Freedom fighters would target only valid military targets, these terrorist scum blow up their market places - hardly our fault is it?
Fcuking idiots, if they are so bothered I'm sure the Taleban could do with some more manpower.0 -
hopper1 wrote:teagar wrote:Look. I don't agree with the protestors.
But, the way I see it, it would be hypocritical to let them do otherwise.
Sure you could try and persuade them to protest somewhere else, even move them somewhere where they can express their opinion freely and cause minimal offense, but you can't stop them!
Because the vast majority don't agree, doesn't mean it shouldn't be said.
No-one's political opinion is worth more than another, so people can't pick and choose as they see fit, since everyone thinks differently.
It seems to me the protestors are playing on the nation's islamophobia. The more anger they stir up, the more they end up looking like the victims of discrimination.
People can pick & choose where they live! If they disagree with how Britain are handling this, why not go back to wherever they came from?
Yes, them playing on the Nations Islamaphobia is tantamount to stirring up feelings and citing a riot!
Who says they're immigrants? They may be UK born!
The people who start fighting/assaulting others who are expressing their opinion - whatever that opinion is and however offensive - are in the wrong.
It's pretty basic. I take the line that you can say any political statement you like, anywhere in the country. Right? That's part and parcel of the UK. That's what one of the key features of the Iraq war, wasn't it? Making it a country where people can express their opinions without fear?
I don't think it's possible to make, fair, equal, and egalitarian, exceptions to that rule.Note: the above post is an opinion and not fact. It might be a lie.0 -
This is like the Phelps family is America who turn up at people funerals and tell the mourners that God wanted them dead because of (whatever).
Same psychotic belief that they are the messengers of God and tell the one truth when the most likely thing is they are not too bright but have been emboldened with a false sense of their own righteousness by some one more clever than them.
I wouldn't personally let the demonstration go ahead. Demonstrating about something is fin, but not when it is specifically designed to cause offence.
Especially when the (as I read it) main point of their protest was against the British army killing Muslims which is an entirely moot point. The Majority of people killed in the Iraq/Afghanistan wars are by Muslims(?) killing other Muslims.God made the Earth. The Dutch made The Netherlands
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They may well be UK born. But that changes nothing.teagar wrote:Who says they're immigrants? They may be UK born!
The people who start fighting/assaulting others who are expressing their opinion - whatever that opinion is and however offensive - are in the wrong.
It's pretty basic. I take the line that you can say any political statement you like, anywhere in the country. Right? That's part and parcel of the UK. That's what one of the key features of the Iraq war, wasn't it? Making it a country where people can express their opinions without fear?
I don't think it's possible to make, fair, equal, and egalitarian, exceptions to that rule.
This is fundamentally a Christian country, built on Christian standards and belief.
Anyone not liking it, is likely of non British decendents, and they are entirley free to go somewhere that supports there extremist beliefs. For these are extremists, my friend, not just Islamic people.Start with a budget, finish with a mortgage!0 -
teagar wrote:hopper1 wrote:teagar wrote:Look. I don't agree with the protestors.
But, the way I see it, it would be hypocritical to let them do otherwise.
Sure you could try and persuade them to protest somewhere else, even move them somewhere where they can express their opinion freely and cause minimal offense, but you can't stop them!
Because the vast majority don't agree, doesn't mean it shouldn't be said.
No-one's political opinion is worth more than another, so people can't pick and choose as they see fit, since everyone thinks differently.
It seems to me the protestors are playing on the nation's islamophobia. The more anger they stir up, the more they end up looking like the victims of discrimination.
People can pick & choose where they live! If they disagree with how Britain are handling this, why not go back to wherever they came from?
Yes, them playing on the Nations Islamaphobia is tantamount to stirring up feelings and citing a riot!
Who says they're immigrants? They may be UK born!
The people who start fighting/assaulting others who are expressing their opinion - whatever that opinion is and however offensive - are in the wrong.
It's pretty basic. I take the line that you can say any political statement you like, anywhere in the country. Right? That's part and parcel of the UK. That's what one of the key features of the Iraq war, wasn't it? Making it a country where people can express their opinions without fear?
I don't think it's possible to make, fair, equal, and egalitarian, exceptions to that rule.
You are so..............right on.
You are so typical of people who sit and judge, do nothing but pontificate or ponder. Versions of "but what about their rights ?". The worst aspects of the UN, are exemplified in your non-action stances. The law is an ass in this country, if these sods march then lets hope the Police do the right thing.0 -
''More than 600 people have died in militant attacks in Pakistan since the beginning of October, most of them believed to be in reprisal for the Pakistan army's new campaign against the Taliban.''
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I'd love to see them try and do this on a day when a repat is taking place. I wonder how many minutes they'd all last?0
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Whilst I agree with freedom of speech, we should never ban someone from protesting because their idea is unpopular or offensive, there is an argument to be made that this will cause a huge breech of the peace.
It seems to me this is a deliberately provocative march aimed at stirring up anger and possibly inciting violence. Under those grounds the Police have a responsibility to ensure the general publics safety, even if the Muslim community will feel hard done to.
The Police should definitely be there. If you have police for a football match, you need police for a contentious protest such as this. I would say it's up to them whether or not to let it go ahead."I hold it true, what'er befall;
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Islam4UK is an "organisation" which has the Islamification of the world as it's goal as they believe it's the only way to cleanse it of it's ills.
IF they were to achieve such a goal (highly unlikely) you know where folks could shove bleeding heart, liberal, freedom of speech principals (if the cap fits) and opinions.
For one thing we wouldn't be having this discussion on here would we.
As for Teagar, I believe you're Dutch? If it weren't for the forefathers of the likes of those brave lads/lasses who's remains are re-patriated at Wooton Bassett you could well have been German.
A "cheap shot" I know, but I don't think too many dutch have perished in Afghanistan and I for one don't like the idea of a bunch of extremists walking through the streets of a English town rubbing mine and many others' noses in it.Tail end Charlie
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These Muslims have no credibility, the war might be wrong, but most of the muslim deaths are caused by muslims - not ISAF forces. It's the Taliban's tactics that's causing it, so why is the West getting the blame?
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britain doesnt have total freedom of speech. the laws against it are classed as' incitement' to hatred and 'racism' etc. i dont understand why does anyone choose to live in britain and then protest all day long about it? doesnt make any sense. that means its not suitable for you.0
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here we have the usual appologists and feeble minded supporting the "rights" of others over the values and traditions of their own country. children of liberal softminded dope smoking beard wearing sandle shuffling losers that have undermined this country with their middle class lack of drive and intelectually berefit recieved ideas.
This country is at WAR. And that war is parts of ISLAM and its ideals. This march is clearly designed to garner and fuel outrage and as a large part of that will be against the muslim community it should be banned. It wont though Jack Straws going to face re election next year and 60% of his town is asian. Britain is poisened by this invented "multicuturalism".0 -
hopper1 wrote:
They may well be UK born. But that changes nothing.teagar wrote:Who says they're immigrants? They may be UK born!
The people who start fighting/assaulting others who are expressing their opinion - whatever that opinion is and however offensive - are in the wrong.
It's pretty basic. I take the line that you can say any political statement you like, anywhere in the country. Right? That's part and parcel of the UK. That's what one of the key features of the Iraq war, wasn't it? Making it a country where people can express their opinions without fear?
I don't think it's possible to make, fair, equal, and egalitarian, exceptions to that rule.
This is fundamentally a Christian country, built on Christian standards and belief.
Anyone not liking it, is likely of non British decendents, and they are entirley free to go somewhere that supports there extremist beliefs. For these are extremists, my friend, not just Islamic people.
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I'm avoiding the policital side of this as I will just end up in an arguement....but looking at the practical side:
According to the BBC a spokeswoman for Wiltshire Police said:"Under the Public Order Act the organiser must inform the police of the date, time and route of the proposed procession, and the name and address of the organiser.
"If the march or procession is believed to be likely to result in serious disorder, disruption or damage, then the police can impose conditions upon the organiser.
"In exceptional circumstances, police may apply to the local authority for an order prohibiting such a march."
So they have to apply for the permission / police presence at the march. Do they have to pay for this police presence then as I seem to remember cycling events getting canceled as the Police said that the event organisers had to pay for them and they couldn't!0
