Ed Balls - you idiot!

downfader

He's on Andrew Marr talking about the new police checks and registers for people working with kids. He's sat there trying to say how great the idea is and how it works - but he wont except people will and have given up working with kids as a result.

He actually said he doesnt want people "in trusted positions where they can have a relationship with kids"

Right....

Perhaps we should raise them like those cranes in the zoo with puppets? I dont have kids, but this bloke just seems on another planet. :?

-spider-

I was on a legal course at work last week. 95% on those convicted of child abuse have no previous conviction. Just what is the Child Protection legislation trying to do? As it is probably not to cut down on the number of volunteers, it can only be some attempt to protect the organisation (school, youth group, nursey, etc) from litigation. " We did everything we could, etc, etc..."

Sad really - when I was a kid there were lots of things to do every night - largely staffed by volunteers (this was inner city Glasgow). I don't recall any problems (although I'm sure that there were some but were there really any more than now?) Now evening activities are few are far between.

tebbit

Isn't Ed Balls one of the current generation of career politicians, with very little experience of anything other than education or politics, the Cameron and Osborne are similar. Frightening to think that these people are gaining their practical experience running the country. How will this affect cycling clubs? Under 18s not allowed to join without parental supervision?

The question don't you think children shouldn't have legislation to protect them? Obvious answer of yes, however we are leaving the formulation of policy to people who have absolutely f**k all experience :evil:

Did the woman who ran the nursery where kids were abused have a CRB check? Works then.

downfader

tebbit wrote:

Isn't Ed Balls one of the current generation of career politicians, with very little experience of anything other than education or politics, the Cameron and Osborne are similar. Frightening to think that these people are gaining their practical experience running the country. How will this affect cycling clubs? Under 18s not allowed to join without parental supervision?

The question don't you think children shouldn't have legislation to protect them? Obvious answer of yes, however we are leaving the formulation of policy to people who have absolutely f**k all experience :evil:

Did the woman who ran the nursery where kids were abused have a CRB check? Works then.

Balls is indeed a career polititian. Cameron came from PR having worked at Tory Central Office iirc nd I think Osborne did come from the financial sector but could be very wrong on him.

This was one of the things that cropped up in my mind - sporty clubs will die. A guy at work does footie for under 10s and even he's seen volunteers just go.

The woman nursery gal did indeed have full CRB and even more iirc. I even raised the problems of CRBs with my MP at the time they were proposed and some 12 months after (members of staff at the hospital where I worked were seemingly being laid off because they didnt disclose having been fined for something back in 1971 etc... as if you'd remember that far back, plus the cock-ups of the wrong CRB being sent to an employer)

..must stop ranting.

GeorgeShaw

downfader wrote:

I think Osborne did come from the financial sector but could be very wrong on him.

A former researcher at Tory Central Office - he's even viewed with much suspicion in the City because he knows so little about economics - Cameron has more background in it than he does.

downfader

GeorgeShaw wrote:

downfader wrote:

I think Osborne did come from the financial sector but could be very wrong on him.

A former researcher at Tory Central Office - he's even viewed with much suspicion in the City because he knows so little about economics - Cameron has more background in it than he does.

Thanks for that! I stand corrected.

tebbit

In the 80s a mate of mine ranted about the local councilor who had just been put in political charge of Rochdale's budget only having worked stacking shelves in Saninsburys. Now we have some sod with a similar lack of responsibility in their working life being about to run the country and similar running departments in the government. Jesus wept.

You couldn't make it up could you?

downfader

tebbit wrote:

You couldn't make it up could you?

Argh I hate that phrase, its so Daily Mail! Usually attached to the end of the most outlandish story

tebbit

Is it? I've never actually read a copy, its the being the paper that supported British Facism in the 30s that always put me off it. I apologise unreservedly for using a Daily Hate phrase.

iainf72

tebbit wrote:

Now we have some sod with a similar lack of responsibility in their working life being about to run the country and similar running departments in the government. Jesus wept.

it's quite scary how little he actually knows. But then the only thing I actually know about Cameron is he wants to be prime minister. Does he has any other policies?

downfader

iainf72 wrote:

tebbit wrote:

Now we have some sod with a similar lack of responsibility in their working life being about to run the country and similar running departments in the government. Jesus wept.

it's quite scary how little he actually knows. But then the only thing I actually know about Cameron is he wants to be prime minister. Does he has any other policies?

Cameron was on the Andrew Marr show a long while back - said he wanted to make the license fee £60 instead of £146 or whatever it is. He also want to pump a lot of money into the NHS. Both those will win him masses of votes over Labour.

disgruntledgoat

It's not just the Tories though, is it? Brown, neverhad a job, both milibands, never had a job, harman, balls, purnell, woolas... never had a job.

Of top politicians with real world experience I can think of Jacqui Smith (didn't stop her being a thief though), Alan Johnson (was a postman for 6 months, once ran a marxist bookshop into the ground), David Davis (from a council estate to the board at tate and lyle, colonel in the Territorial SAS), Iain Duncan Smith (Army Major) and Vince Cable (former chief economist at Shell)

beverick

The registration scheme seems a mess to me. The wife has to register (under several schemes) because she helps to look after kids during the week and some times she brings them to our house.

I'm not sure about the specific details (she deals with it all) but two years ago she didn't need to regsiter because her involvement was informal and she was 'supervised by a regsitered child minder'.

The rules then changed and she had to register in her own rightr as an assistant (for under fives?). The rules changed again and she had to register under another scheme for other age groups and we had to have a home visit by the local authority (however when the guy came he said that his visit wasn't necessary). The rules then changed and she then had to register for under yet another scheme. Finally, in September she had to register for over eights.

However under the new rules it looks as if she won't have to register...

I don't know how much this has cost her but the schemes seem to be a farce to me....

Bob