Allen Lim to the Shack

iainf72
iainf72 Posts: 15,784
edited December 2009 in Pro race
Bit of a surprise...... that he was ever involved with Garmin :wink:
Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.

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  • LangerDan
    LangerDan Posts: 6,132
    Now that the pieces are all in place, does this mean the Shack are going to sign Landis and make him great again?

    I like Garmins comment : "We wish Allen the best in his new endeavours" - the standard industry euphemism for "you b@stard!"
    'This week I 'ave been mostly been climbing like Basso - Shirley Basso.'
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    I hope the majority of people in the Whack Shack get destroyed next year and they follow the example of the bossy wossy and get zero wins between them.
    Contador is the Greatest
  • moray_gub
    moray_gub Posts: 3,328
    frenchfighter wrote:
    I hope the majority of people in the Whack Shack get destroyed next year and they follow the example of the bossy wossy and get zero wins between them.


    The voice of reason has spoken.
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  • moray_gub
    moray_gub Posts: 3,328
    iainf72 wrote:
    Bit of a surprise...... that he was ever involved with Garmin :wink:


    Good interview with him here particularly with regard to Floyd and that day to Morzine.
    Gasping - but somehow still alive !
  • type:epyt
    type:epyt Posts: 766
    frenchfighter wrote:
    I hope the majority of people in the Whack Shack get destroyed next year and they follow the example of the bossy wossy and get zero wins between them.

    yet history dictates that post-Bruyneel things go the other way ... and given the pre-Bruyneel history of YourHero (tm) i'd say it was a foregone conclusion ...
    Life is unfair, kill yourself or get over it.
  • bsm2dj
    bsm2dj Posts: 26
    frenchfighter wrote:
    I hope the majority of people in the Whack Shack get destroyed next year and they follow the example of the bossy wossy and get zero wins between them.

    What a pathetic, childish, non-contributing comment...
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,711
    All I’ll say is that 6.7 watts per kg at threshold is not physiological or humanly possible, unless you’re a hybrid human horse or a grey hound human dog or another species. I don’t even think Frankenstein could hold 6.7 watts per kg at threshold. Though, I must say that, unlike most artificially manipulated creatures of science, Frankenstein did have a uniquely low carbon footprint as he was made of recycled body parts and was activated with a clean bolt of lightning. But that’s a totally different story.

    To win the Tour de France you need to be able to hold 5.9 to 6.0 watts per kg for 30 to 45 minutes at a time, 3 to 4 times over the course of a 5 to 6 hour day in the mountains. My sense is that if you can do more, something is wrong.

    At this year’s Tour, Christian is holding about 5.5 to 6.0 watts per kg on the long cat 1 to HC climbs when the smack is going down and 5.0 to 5.5 watts per kg when the teams are setting the hard tempo.

    Don't suppose we'll have Lance posting next year's Tour outputs online, then. :roll:
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  • DaveyL
    DaveyL Posts: 5,167
    It's maybe different on an SRM vs a PowerTap :D
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  • LangerDan
    LangerDan Posts: 6,132
    I'd love to be a fly on the wall for the first team meeting when Allen says "Mmmm'kay you guys. Drugs are bad. Mmmmm'kay? We're going to do it with rice cakes, balsamic vinegar and positive mental attitude. Now, is anyone here 15% Eskimo? Anyone?"
    'This week I 'ave been mostly been climbing like Basso - Shirley Basso.'
  • nick hanson
    nick hanson Posts: 1,655
    Moray Gub wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    Bit of a surprise...... that he was ever involved with Garmin :wink:


    Good interview with him here particularly with regard to Floyd and that day to Morzine.
    Cheers for that,Moray
    good link
    I've personally kept an open mind on his ride that day.
    If you were going to dope,& do a ride as he did,with all the attendant media attention,you would need to be certified
    Also,when you see how he fought his case,& ultimately lost EVERYTHING,he must surely have been convinced of his innocence
    so many cols,so little time!
  • shinyhelmut
    shinyhelmut Posts: 1,364
    nick hanson wrote:
    Also,when you see how he fought his case,& ultimately lost EVERYTHING,he must surely have been convinced of his innocence

    Or just convinced he would be cleared.
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    frenchfighter wrote:
    I hope the majority of people in the Whack Shack get destroyed next year and they follow the example of the bossy wossy and get zero wins between them.

    Whack Shack - bossy wossy :lol::lol::lol:


    I'm putting my money on LESS than 10 years old. Any takers?
  • shinyhelmut
    shinyhelmut Posts: 1,364
    dennisn wrote:
    I'm putting my money on LESS than 10 years old. Any takers?

    My money says about 8 :lol:
  • moray_gub
    moray_gub Posts: 3,328
    dennisn wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    I hope the majority of people in the Whack Shack get destroyed next year and they follow the example of the bossy wossy and get zero wins between them.

    Whack Shack - bossy wossy :lol::lol::lol:


    I'm putting my money on LESS than 10 years old. Any takers?


    He has got super dooper fandabbydozy job you know.
    Gasping - but somehow still alive !
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,711
    FLandis clean? Magic water seems to do the trick.
    A pity now that he's got two good legs, he seems unable to ride half as well.

    A few folks on here have passed "comment" upon Basso's "decent" returning form, as evidence that his blood made it further than those bags.

    Of course, if FLandis were to join the Shack and start flying again, that would be purely down to Bruyneel's tactical genius. :roll:
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • type:epyt
    type:epyt Posts: 766
    i think painting Basso as some kind of good guy in anything involving Bruyneel is a bit much ... he single handedly ended Discovery ... no Nike, no Discovery (both of whom used him heavily in their initial campaigns that season) ... even Levi and Bertie's best efforts couldn't fix the damage ... it was more than just Basso losing his salary ... other people lost jobs and opportunities ...
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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,711
    type:epyt wrote:
    i think painting Basso as some kind of good guy in anything involving Bruyneel is a bit much ... .
    Not to mention, the wrong inference.
    Simply suggesting, that if Basso 2009, makes Basso 2006 suspicious, then what does Landis 2009 say about Landis 2006?

    As for Bruyneel: purely a hypothetical extension, based upon the "Popovych Factor"..
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • moray_gub
    moray_gub Posts: 3,328
    type:epyt wrote:
    i think painting Basso as some kind of good guy in anything involving Bruyneel is a bit much ... he single handedly ended Discovery ... no Nike, no Discovery (both of whom used him heavily in their initial campaigns that season) ... even Levi and Bertie's best efforts couldn't fix the damage ... it was more than just Basso losing his salary ... other people lost jobs and opportunities ...

    To say he alone was responsible is stretching it even for this forum .
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Moray Gub wrote:

    To say he alone was responsible is stretching it even for this forum .

    Agreed.

    What's way more likely is without Armstrong riding, it was a hard sell to the new management of Discovery Channel to keep funding a cycling team.

    Lance doing one or two TV shows is no where near as interesting as Lance riding a bike.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • type:epyt
    type:epyt Posts: 766
    there was SOME exaggeration (it's the net after all) ... but the point is there ... Nike especially got burnt ... is Basso paying back the wasted campaign expenses, likely not ... but then he looks sorry, apparently ...

    don't get me wrong, i actually like Basso as a rider and have tipped him to win the Giro in 2010 ... i just thought that yardsticking Basso with Bruyneel was a bit off ...
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  • Tusher
    Tusher Posts: 2,762
    I found this news to be deeply depressing. And I can't fully explain why, although I have an overwhelming urge to fly to Colorado and give JV a huge hug.

    I am seeking treatment.
  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    Lim isn't that useful to Garmin. Yes he's helped on some ideas such as ice vests and nutrition but he's a bit wacky, trying different ideas on the riders all the time, sometimes they work and sometimes they don't. The riders are coached by Adrie Van Driemen and the team has a specialist chef who masters the nutrition.

    Lim's move won't change that much and it won't bring much to RadioShanty. He's good but he's not that special.
  • Tusher
    Tusher Posts: 2,762
    Problem is, I have a strong suspicion that RadioShack KNOW he'll not bring much to them, he's only been lured away to pi$$ off JV.

    'course, I could be wrong. Surely there can't be grown men in procycling who hold grudges like that........
  • Roscobob
    Roscobob Posts: 344
    type:epyt wrote:
    there was SOME exaggeration (it's the net after all) ... but the point is there ... Nike especially got burnt ... is Basso paying back the wasted campaign expenses, likely not ... but then he looks sorry, apparently ...

    don't get me wrong, i actually like Basso as a rider and have tipped him to win the Giro in 2010 ... i just thought that yardsticking Basso with Bruyneel was a bit off ...

    Didn't Nike pull their entire cycling division after LA retired?
  • Arkibal
    Arkibal Posts: 850
    Tusher wrote:
    Problem is, I have a strong suspicion that RadioShack KNOW he'll not bring much to them, he's only been lured away to pi$$ off JV.

    'course, I could be wrong. Surely there can't be grown men in procycling who hold grudges like that........

    That's my take on this too. Radio Shack have all the docs they need + the family friend Dr. Ferrari, this is clearly a message sent to JV, FY.
    Money does wonders....
  • BilgeRat
    BilgeRat Posts: 23
    Lim has always struck me as being naive and somewhat unworldly so this turn of events isn't all that surprising. His analysis of Europeans resistance to technology based upon Blackberry usage strikes me as a little simplistic. Maybe Lim could benefit from a little 'European' cynicism in his new job.
  • Bakunin
    Bakunin Posts: 868
    Much ado about nothing...
  • deal
    deal Posts: 857
    Garmin don't need him anymore, now that they have the rice cake recipe!
  • Bronzie
    Bronzie Posts: 4,927
    iainf72 wrote:
    Bit of a surprise...... that he was ever involved with Garmin :wink:
    Have you seen his replacment's CV?
    CyclingNews wrote:
    His two-year deal with Garmin-Transitions will mark a return to the service of professional cycling teams after a two-year hiatus. San Millán has previously worked with Spanish teams including ONCE and Saunier-Duval, as well as Astana in 2007. While a number of his former employers have been beset by doping scandals, San Millán is widely regarded as an exponent of a clean cycling. He cites US-based Garmin's mentality and acceptance of his methods as a primary reason for his return to the sport.

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/who-is- ... san-millan
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