PC

teagar

markwalker wrote:

teagar wrote:

You don't quite understand. It is a law specifically preventing the building of an islamic building, whether it is important, or not. Any other equivalant, can be built. It is a law which explicity discriminates islam. Your own example of building anytihng over 2 stories clearly isn't exclusively precluding the building of an islamic building. it's stopping any building over two stories. Whatever the faith or not of the building.


If you don't see that then I guess you are beyond a racist joke.

Whats wrong with choosing to limit the influence a religion seeks to have on the culutre and fabric of a country when the religion seeks to replace all other religions ways of life and legal entities?

And before you start , to many muslims thats exactly what they want to see happen.

I object to the pricinple of discrimination on the basis of faith, race, religion, sexuality or anything like that. I have no interest in whether people feel it's in the interest of a good cause or not, because i feel the discrimination of any kind is inherently wrong, bad, and dangerous.

So what's wrong with it? It's discriminatory - something which I strongly object to.

teagar

markwalker wrote:

TEAGAR

For clarity are you saying that democracy is only ok providing the views of the majority dont conflict with the views of a minority seeking to set standards and guidelines?

No, that's not what I'm saying.

I'm saying political correctness as a social and political force is useful in protecting minorities from discrimination.

By its very nature, it will inconvenience the majoriy - but since they are the majority, in a system which bends to the majority, that only seems fair.

ride_whenever

but you're discriminatory to discriminatory things...

markwalker

MatHammond wrote:

markwalker wrote:

TEAGAR

For clarity are you saying that democracy is only ok providing the views of the majority dont conflict with the views of a minority seeking to set standards and guidelines?

Surely education is the way to have the majority and moral highground?

Switzerlands recent referendum and your response is an excellent egsample of just why PC attitudes imposed by a few to control actions and thoughts of the populace has damaged this contry and its identity.


My personal view is that i would like to live in a christian country, Im tolerant of other religions but i dont care for them. I live in a town with NO black or asian faces, its a feature of that town that i like. The feel and culture of the town is defined by the people in it and i like what weve got here. I would like it very much if that doesnt change. does that make me a racist?

Unquestionably.

Well thats another egsample of why the county is damaged I dont discriminate, I dont undermine or argue against other people living in my town but i like it the way it is. It happens to be a white town so in your view i am a racist.

markwalker

teagar wrote:

markwalker wrote:

TEAGAR

For clarity are you saying that democracy is only ok providing the views of the majority dont conflict with the views of a minority seeking to set standards and guidelines?

No, that's not what I'm saying.

I'm saying political correctness as a social and political force is useful in protecting minorities from discrimination.

By its very nature, it will inconvenience the majoriy - but since they are the majority, in a system which bends to the majority, that only seems fair.

Very reasonable and i agree in principal, however the "pendulum" seems to have swung too far the other way and there needs to be some balance. Islam is hardly a minority either in some places in this country.

bigmat

markwalker wrote:

MatHammond wrote:

markwalker wrote:

TEAGAR

For clarity are you saying that democracy is only ok providing the views of the majority dont conflict with the views of a minority seeking to set standards and guidelines?

Surely education is the way to have the majority and moral highground?

Switzerlands recent referendum and your response is an excellent egsample of just why PC attitudes imposed by a few to control actions and thoughts of the populace has damaged this contry and its identity.


My personal view is that i would like to live in a christian country, Im tolerant of other religions but i dont care for them. I live in a town with NO black or asian faces, its a feature of that town that i like. The feel and culture of the town is defined by the people in it and i like what weve got here. I would like it very much if that doesnt change. does that make me a racist?

Unquestionably.

Well thats another egsample of why the county is damaged I dont discriminate, I dont undermine or argue against other people living in my town but i like it the way it is. It happens to be a white town so in your view i am a racist.

Not "in my view". You are racist. Where did you learn to spell by the way? And what "county" are we talking about?

finchy

markwalker wrote:

Whats wrong with choosing to limit the influence a religion seeks to have on the culutre and fabric of a country when the religion seeks to replace all other religions ways of life and legal entities?

And before you start , to many muslims thats exactly what they want to see happen.

You see now, Mark, I was in agreement with you about Islamic extremism being a tw*t ideology, but then you go and say something like this, having just stated that you live in a town with no Asian faces.

How many Muslims do you actually know?

On the other hand, I suppose you could argue that it depends on your definition of the word "many". When you use the word "many", what exactly do you mean by that? Hundreds? Thousands? Millions? A certain percentage of the Muslim population?

markwalker

MatHammond wrote:

markwalker wrote:

MatHammond wrote:

markwalker wrote:

TEAGAR

For clarity are you saying that democracy is only ok providing the views of the majority dont conflict with the views of a minority seeking to set standards and guidelines?

Surely education is the way to have the majority and moral highground?

Switzerlands recent referendum and your response is an excellent egsample of just why PC attitudes imposed by a few to control actions and thoughts of the populace has damaged this contry and its identity.


My personal view is that i would like to live in a christian country, Im tolerant of other religions but i dont care for them. I live in a town with NO black or asian faces, its a feature of that town that i like. The feel and culture of the town is defined by the people in it and i like what weve got here. I would like it very much if that doesnt change. does that make me a racist?

Unquestionably.

Well thats another egsample of why the county is damaged I dont discriminate, I dont undermine or argue against other people living in my town but i like it the way it is. It happens to be a white town so in your view i am a racist.

Not "in my view". You are racist. Where did you learn to spell by the way? And what "county" are we talking about?

Racism
The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
3. Also discrimination based on religiousgrounds

So there you have it, by that definition I am not a Racist.

I look forward to your appology or accepted definition that shows I am.

redddraggon

markwalker wrote:

Racism
The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability

Well is that not true? Isn't there more black people in NBA? More white swimmers?

disgruntledgoat

johnfinch wrote:

markwalker wrote:

Whats wrong with choosing to limit the influence a religion seeks to have on the culutre and fabric of a country when the religion seeks to replace all other religions ways of life and legal entities?

And before you start , to many muslims thats exactly what they want to see happen.

You see now, Mark, I was in agreement with you about Islamic extremism being a tw*t ideology, but then you go and say something like this, having just stated that you live in a town with no Asian faces.

How many Muslims do you actually know?

On the other hand, I suppose you could argue that it depends on your definition of the word "many". When you use the word "many", what exactly do you mean by that? Hundreds? Thousands? Millions? A certain percentage of the Muslim population?

Amen. And on that I'm bailing out of this one folks, as it's getting ugly.

Race, colour, creed, nationality and hair colour are no bounds to being a boneheaded fool folks. Bear that in mind and the world will be alright.

bigmat

You would rather your lovely white home town wasn't infiltrated with people of a different race to you. You are clearly judging those people on the basis of their race and discriminating against them because of it.

Anonymous

Thing is, only Islamic terror groups are planning and executing attacks in the UK right now. I think we have a tolerant country which allows anyone to practice their religion. This is a good thing but flawed. We can co-exist religiously with mutual respect but that respect is knocked by extremism every time there is an incident.

Outlaw any terror group.
Get the deportation process ramped up for those convicted of crimes who are not UK Nationals. Why should we tolerate terrorists domestic or otherwise ?

We need sweeping changes in this country. We have to stop fannying about and being PC. Get the troops out of Afghanistan and let them be.

markwalker

MatHammond wrote:

You would rather your lovely white home town wasn't infiltrated with people of a different race to you. You are clearly judging those people on the basis of their race and discriminating against them because of it.

It’s a subtle difference; I’d rather my hometown didn’t change at all! No bigger no smaller no whiter blacker browner. No more Christian no more Jewish no more Muslim. I just like it the way it is.

A perfectly reasonable perspective.

What I would say is that when you change the structure or makeup of a town or country you change its personality. You might solve some problems but you might create different ones. Saying that I enjoy and associate myself with something that I like and suits me and that id like it to stay that way is not racist nor have I said I would stand in the way of anyone’s wish to live here. If they wanted to build a mosque in front of or next to my house id object for the same reasons Id object if someone applied to build a synagogue or church next to or opposite my house.

softlad

markwalker wrote:

i.e British under British law and also a muslim. This dude didnt agree with that.

the muslim fella can think what he likes - but it doesn't alter the fact that he will be judged under UK law as it stands - and not how he would like it to be.

Jez mon

markwalker wrote:

My personal view is that i would like to live in a christian country, Im tolerant of other religions but i dont care for them. I live in a town with NO black or asian faces, its a feature of that town that i like. The feel and culture of the town is defined by the people in it and i like what weve got here. I would like it very much if that doesnt change. does that make me a racist?

It does sound quite racist Mark. You're basically saying you have no problem with other races so long as they stay away from your town! Your judging people based on the colour of their skin and by the sounds of it you hold "The belief that race accounts for differences in human character"

Which according to your own post would be racist...


Ultimately, why the heck would the town change if black or asian faces moved in, as opposed to white faces?

zanes

softlad wrote:

markwalker wrote:

i.e British under British law and also a muslim. This dude didnt agree with that.

the muslim fella can think what he likes - but it doesn't alter the fact that he will be judged under UK law as it stands - and not how he would like it to be.

How long before it's judged "racist" to say that? :roll:

teagar

dmclite wrote:

Thing is, only Islamic terror groups are planning and executing attacks in the UK right now. I think we have a tolerant country which allows anyone to practice their religion. This is a good thing but flawed. We can co-exist religiously with mutual respect but that respect is knocked by extremism every time there is an incident.

Outlaw any terror group.
Get the deportation process ramped up for those convicted of crimes who are not UK Nationals. Why should we tolerate terrorists domestic or otherwise ?

We need sweeping changes in this country. We have to stop fannying about and being PC. Get the troops out of Afghanistan and let them be.

Only islamic terror groups are planning and executing attacks in the UK? Err no.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... peace.html

http://www.chinapost.com.tw/internation ... rthern.htm


UK forces in Afghanistan has nothing to with political correctness. It's a lot of other things but PC it isn't.

Insisting everyone in the UK must have a moral obligation to wear a poppy however just might be PC.

markwalker

teagar wrote:

dmclite wrote:

Thing is, only Islamic terror groups are planning and executing attacks in the UK right now. I think we have a tolerant country which allows anyone to practice their religion. This is a good thing but flawed. We can co-exist religiously with mutual respect but that respect is knocked by extremism every time there is an incident.

Outlaw any terror group.
Get the deportation process ramped up for those convicted of crimes who are not UK Nationals. Why should we tolerate terrorists domestic or otherwise ?

We need sweeping changes in this country. We have to stop fannying about and being PC. Get the troops out of Afghanistan and let them be.

Only islamic terror groups are planning and executing attacks in the UK? Err no.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... peace.html

http://www.chinapost.com.tw/internation ... rthern.htm


UK forces in Afghanistan has nothing to with political correctness. It's a lot of other things but PC it isn't.

Insisting everyone in the UK must have a moral obligation to wear a poppy however just might be PC.

Oi dont hijak the thread

Anonymous

teagar wrote:

dmclite wrote:

Thing is, only Islamic terror groups are planning and executing attacks in the UK right now. I think we have a tolerant country which allows anyone to practice their religion. This is a good thing but flawed. We can co-exist religiously with mutual respect but that respect is knocked by extremism every time there is an incident.

Outlaw any terror group.
Get the deportation process ramped up for those convicted of crimes who are not UK Nationals. Why should we tolerate terrorists domestic or otherwise ?

We need sweeping changes in this country. We have to stop fannying about and being PC. Get the troops out of Afghanistan and let them be.

Only islamic terror groups are planning and executing attacks in the UK? Err no.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... peace.html

http://www.chinapost.com.tw/internation ... rthern.htm


UK forces in Afghanistan has nothing to with political correctness. It's a lot of other things but PC it isn't.

Insisting everyone in the UK must have a moral obligation to wear a poppy however just might be PC.

Nice one. Your Uni must have been sad when you left.

Got a job yet ?

bompington

deptfordmarmoset wrote:

markwalker wrote:

Also how do you adjust the size of the text box so you can see what youre typing to avoid typos?

Using Firefox and Chrome, press ctrl and + and it gets bigger. (ctrl and - to make it smaller again) IE - no idea.

And in IE too, at least from version 7 on. Or Ctrl+ mouse wheel.

markwalker

Jez mon wrote:

markwalker wrote:

My personal view is that i would like to live in a christian country, Im tolerant of other religions but i dont care for them. I live in a town with NO black or asian faces, its a feature of that town that i like. The feel and culture of the town is defined by the people in it and i like what weve got here. I would like it very much if that doesnt change. does that make me a racist?

It does sound quite racist Mark. You're basically saying you have no problem with other races so long as they stay away from your town! Your judging people based on the colour of their skin and by the sounds of it you hold "The belief that race accounts for differences in human character"

Which according to your own post would be racist...


Ultimately, why the heck would the town change if black or asian faces moved in, as opposed to white faces?

No its not what Im saying, please read later posts.

Why would the town change if different typoes of people moved in??? I dont want to patronise you and Im assuming youre at Uni and not lecturing there? Please dont take this the wrong way.

When you live long enough and see enough places you know that personality of a place is directly dependant on the people in it. different views cultures and perspectives have an enourmous effect on a p[lace. Quite why this vanilla version of race and social cohesion is spouted throughout school and government is beyond me.

teagar

dmclite wrote:

Nice one. Your Uni must have been sad when you left.

Got a job yet ?

I'm at work now.

redddraggon

teagar wrote:

dmclite wrote:

Nice one. Your Uni must have been sad when you left.

Got a job yet ?

I'm at work now.

They let you use computers in McDonalds? :twisted:

disgruntledgoat

markwalker wrote:

Jez mon wrote:

markwalker wrote:

My personal view is that i would like to live in a christian country, Im tolerant of other religions but i dont care for them. I live in a town with NO black or asian faces, its a feature of that town that i like. The feel and culture of the town is defined by the people in it and i like what weve got here. I would like it very much if that doesnt change. does that make me a racist?

It does sound quite racist Mark. You're basically saying you have no problem with other races so long as they stay away from your town! Your judging people based on the colour of their skin and by the sounds of it you hold "The belief that race accounts for differences in human character"

Which according to your own post would be racist...


Ultimately, why the heck would the town change if black or asian faces moved in, as opposed to white faces?

No its not what Im saying, please read later posts.

Why would the town change if different typoes of people moved in??? I dont want to patronise you and Im assuming youre at Uni and not lecturing there? Please dont take this the wrong way.

When you live long enough and see enough places you know that personality of a place is directly dependant on the people in it. different views cultures and perspectives have an enourmous effect on a p[lace. Quite why this vanilla version of race and social cohesion is spouted throughout school and government is beyond me.

I disagree with that... I've lived (apart from 4 years in Liverpool) in the same town in Cumbria for most of my life. In tha ttime it has grown from a town of 6,000 to a town of 10,000. When i went to school there, the extent of the ethnic diversity of the school was two secular Sudanese Muslim guys who were the sons of a consultant surgeon. These days there are anglo-carribean kids, kids of Bangladeshi, Korean and Eastern European extraction and guess what? There's no increase in crime, the school is still ranked above most in exam results, they flooded the same as anybody else, and they mucked in to help the same as everybody else, the town still has nice shops, restaurants and public buildings it's the same place just with different faces. There are families who have lived here for generations and families who have been here for a year.

In my experience, it's not race and religion that make different groups polarise and blame each other, it's poverty and a lack of opportunity to better their situation. That is where I would place the blame in Blackburn (to cite the example you gave. As it happens, a guy I went to school with moved there and came back a fully fledged member of Combat 18.

Anonymous

teagar wrote:

dmclite wrote:

Nice one. Your Uni must have been sad when you left.

Got a job yet ?

I'm at work now.

Where are you working ?

Are you on front counter or on fries ?

teagar

dmclite wrote:

teagar wrote:

dmclite wrote:

Nice one. Your Uni must have been sad when you left.

Got a job yet ?

I'm at work now.

Where are you working ?

Are you on front counter or on fries ?

Not quite sure where the MacDonald's thing comes from.

Not comfortable with other people's success? You know it was nasty bringing it up in the first place, and now you look a little silly because I do have a job, despite it being difficult to get one.

Aggieboy

McDonalds? I thought he was in 'PC World'

Anonymous

teagar wrote:

dmclite wrote:

teagar wrote:

dmclite wrote:

Nice one. Your Uni must have been sad when you left.

Got a job yet ?

I'm at work now.

Where are you working ?

Are you on front counter or on fries ?

Not quite sure where the MacDonald's thing comes from.

Not comfortable with other people's success? You know it was nasty bringing it up in the first place, and now you look a little silly because I do have a job, despite it being difficult to get one.

Don't give a 5hit about your success.

Think it is funny that you found it difficult to get a job. What did you find difficult ?

iainf72

teagar wrote:

If you don't have some political correctness it'll end up like Switzerland, which has gone far beyond a racist joke.

In my childhood (70s), I lived for a spell in Switzerland. My dad worked for a big multinational and once when he was going to the gents he was politely told not to use the one he was headed for as it was for "Turks and Yugoslavs"

Strange place.

STEFANOS4784

MatHammond wrote:

You would rather your lovely white home town wasn't infiltrated with people of a different race to you.

Actually, better not.....