Lorry driver killed cyclist, threw bike into undergrowth.
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With a jaw-droppingly inappropriate comment from the killer driver's father:
http://www.outdoorsmagic.com/forum/foru ... 6230352300
The original story:
http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/n ... 5780942.jp
My God, that is grim. There's little doubt what the judge thought of Stubbs.
http://www.outdoorsmagic.com/forum/foru ... 6230352300
The original story:
http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/n ... 5780942.jp
My God, that is grim. There's little doubt what the judge thought of Stubbs.
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that is very disturbing and worryingCoveryourcar.co.uk RT Tester
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2 years and a conviction for careless driving is an absolute joke.
Should have been life for murder.More problems but still living....0 -
I've actualy got tears in my eyes reading that account. Its just a shame that there were not any more witnesses to the horrible event.Bianchi. There are no alternatives only compromises!
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I'm truly shocked at the insensitivity displayed by Frank Stubbs.
I guess it answers the question of how the driver got to be how he is.0 -
Sorry but when the bastard gets out if it were my brother I'd do time for taking real justice out on the scum.
2 years for what he did? Joke.
The father defending is a sicking as the act itself. If my son did the same I want him to stand up and be counted for his actions.0 -
Just read the Brother's account of the ordeal the family have been through. The lack of justice is gut wrenching.
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Il Principe wrote:The lack of justice is gut wrenching.
I could not think of any other words than what you have written.
Incomprehensible.Felt F70 05 (Turbo)
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That was murder. What an insult to the victim and his family.Dahon Speed Pro TT; Trek Portland
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I have to confess that the wording of the outdoorsmagic thread title did raise a small smile. Wonder if it was deliberate.Tony Spink Killed - resurrected0
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Il Principe wrote:Just read the Brother's account of the ordeal the family have been through. The lack of justice is gut wrenching.
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I am utterly shocked. I really couldn't believe what I was reading.
It's taken me over 10 minutes to write those first 2 short sentences. You can only but guess what I originally wrote.CAAD9
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Scum like that should get a frontal lobotomy.
How can you have such total disregard for taking another humans life, then trying to cover it up?"Encyclopaedia is a fetish for very small bicycles"0 -
Il Principe wrote:Just read the Brother's account of the ordeal the family have been through. The lack of justice is gut wrenching.
+1 more.
sentancing restrictions on killing by motorvehicle are pathetic. Lawmakers should hang their heads in shame.
Deliberately shoot or stab someone = Murder 12-20+ years (aka life - do ~10) accidentally shoot or stab someone - manslaughter 7-10 (do ~5)
Crush someone to death (incomprehensible that you don't know theres something big under the wheels) and discard the evidence like trash in a gutter then lie through your teeth about it = 2 years possibly out in months.0 -
Sicko. And to think that I everyday, I put myself at the mercy of these sickos out there. Maybe my wife has a point. Maybe I should give up cycling to work. I have two beautiful young kids at home and I want to see them everyday. I know I am being emotional, but maybe, just maybe, there is indeed a time and place for everything.0
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just proves our legal system sucks !
The man should be hung up !0 -
I couldn't read the brothers account in its entirity.
I'm slowly losing faith in the legal system.
This is a terrible terrible thing.Food Chain number = 4
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Disgusting crime, pitiful jail term.0
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Old and bad report (and a repeat thread of one already on here), the driver was convicted for offences that were on the statute at the time, the law has since been changed and he could now be done for causing death by careless driving which carries a substantial jail sentance, as it was dangerous driving (and hence death by DD) could not be proved in this case.
If we don't believe the laws are right, change tham (as has happened) but ignoring laws you don't like means you give an excuse to everyone else to ignore those thye don't like.
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Jesus.FCN 2-4.
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I just do not even begin to understand why cyclists' lives seem to be of less importance than anyone else's or than material goods.
A cycling lawyer has written about it much more eloquently than I ever could (I posted this on Friday evening, but I don't know if many people saw it) - he makes many, many valid points.
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Coriander wrote:I just do not even begin to understand why cyclists' lives seem to be of less importance than anyone else's or than material goods.
A cycling lawyer has written about it much more eloquently than I ever could (I posted this on Friday evening, but I don't know if many people saw it) - he makes many, many valid points.
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Yes, I saw that, it was brilliantly written. There is something very, very wrong with the legal protection of cyclists.
I am afraid Mr Stubbs is still contributing in the first link.0 -
2 year what a joke just shows how much of an ass the law is in a time when we are all trying to promote cyclingLife is not a spectator sport0
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The father, Frank Stubbs, is f*cking distasteful. Should have left the thread alone IMO.Food Chain number = 4
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If this isn't dangerous driving then what the hell is?
This driver has committed manslaughter & basically got away with it. Along with children it shows the legal system also clearly discriminates against cyclists.0 -
If you want to know what dangerous driving is, do some reasearch, opsi or Bailli are good places to start.
In Summary, dangerous involves a driver under taking an action which he knows to carry more danger than normal driving, careless driving is below that. What the lorry driver did was clearly careless, whether it constituted dangerous is debateable and clearly the jury decided that in the eyes of the law it was not.
I may not always like the law, but when the alternative is anarchy (when the cyclist will have no recourse) its all we have.
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DonDaddyD wrote:The father, Frank Stubbs, is f*cking distasteful. Should have left the thread alone IMO.
Like father, like son: insist on complete innocence at all times, blame others wherever possible and even when this is not possible. On no account show any moment of contrition because this will be seen as an admission of culpability.0 -
What a total disgrace. I'd slaughter the dog if he'd killed my brother and rubbished him like that...let all your saddles be comfy and all your rides less bumpy....0
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The Beginner wrote:If you want to know what dangerous driving is, do some reasearch, opsi or Bailli are good places to start.
In Summary, dangerous involves a driver under taking an action which he knows to carry more danger than normal driving, careless driving is below that. What the lorry driver did was clearly careless, whether it constituted dangerous is debateable and clearly the jury decided that in the eyes of the law it was not.
I may not always like the law, but when the alternative is anarchy (when the cyclist will have no recourse) its all we have.
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That's not really the point is it though? The point is that the law needs changing. The consequences of this man's 'carelessness' behind the wheel of several tonnes of metal, were fatal. The law should punish this. Would I get 2 years for being 'careless' with my shotgun? The law (in this instance) is an ass.- 2023 Vielo V+1
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+1 to all the comments expressed, that is completely incomprehensible, and disgraceful.
It reminds me of a quote from a JG Ballard novel, that basically said killing someone with a motor vehicle is the one reamining way you can legally kill someone, or words to that effect. That was written in 1973, and the fact that nothing has apparently changed in the intervening 26 years is a disgrace.pain is temporary, the glory of beating your mates to the top of the hill lasts forever.....................
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