Mugged Part II

Wallace1492

Commiserations to Sem69 for what happened to him.....

But, what the hell happened to Ireland, perhaps one of the biggests episodes of cheatery in sport. Denied a crack at a place in the finals by a blatent piece of cheating. And EUFA/FIFA endorse fair play, what happened has made a mockery of it. The message is "Cheat and you can be a winner".

Game should be replayed.

Clever Pun

tricky one and then you look at all dodgy pens etc, the ref missed and linesmen missed it.

TV replays wouldn't have changed this as the ref saw nothing untoward or worthy of a replay

happens in every sport

Wallace1492

Clever Pun wrote:

tricky one and then you look at all dodgy pens etc, the ref missed and linesmen missed it.

TV replays wouldn't have changed this as the ref saw nothing untoward or worthy of a replay

happens in every sport

Not true. At the time there was nothing untoward about Ben Johnston winning the 100m Olympic final, but that was later overturned. As are other violations. Lane violations in athletics are retrospetively adjudicated on. The Jockey club overturns results from cheating as do many other sports. So why not in football?

There is a precedent, Arsenal once replayed a game that they won, not by cheating but by taking advantage of the opposition knocking ball out as player was injured.

Clever Pun

Wallace1492 wrote:

Clever Pun wrote:

tricky one and then you look at all dodgy pens etc, the ref missed and linesmen missed it.

TV replays wouldn't have changed this as the ref saw nothing untoward or worthy of a replay

happens in every sport

Not true. At the time there was nothing untoward about Ben Johnston winning the 100m Olympic final, but that was later overturned. As are other violations. Lane violations in athletics are retrospetively adjudicated on. The Jockey club overturns results from cheating as do many other sports. So why not in football?

There is a precedent, Arsenal once replayed a game that they won, not by cheating but by taking advantage of the opposition knocking ball out as player was injured.

I was saying there are cheats in every sport and every sport has different ways of dealing with them.

That Arsenal thing is really different The Wenger bus offered to replay the game and the FA said ok

Do you really think the French will do that?? It's the perfect opportunity for that shrug of indifference and blame someone else

artaxerxes

Do you really think the French will do that??

Isn't Wenger French? Maybe if he was the manager of France things would have gone differently.

il_principe

artaxerxes wrote:

Do you really think the French will do that??

Isn't Wenger French? Maybe if he was the manager of France things would have gone differently.

Yeah, the French would've won without needing to cheat...

Clever Pun

artaxerxes wrote:

Do you really think the French will do that??

Isn't Wenger French? Maybe if he was the manager of France things would have gone differently.

that he is... but he doesn't have the French FA to explain that decision to.

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Jamey

If they start down the road of changing decisions after a match has ended then pretty much every single match ever played will end in some kind of appeal to review the evidence and decide again, because every match has a loser, football these days is big business and businesses ALWAYS appeal decisions that go against them.

d21dga

It's just the way the cookie crumbles. If I remember correctly Robbie Keane was penalised for at least one handball (which looked deliberate) during the course of the game. If that hadn't been spotted and he'd scored and Henry's had been spotted it'd be roles reversed and the French complaining.
I think if replays were ordered for these sorts of things then every other game would get put forward to a committe to decide.

Wallace1492

Jamey wrote:

If they start down the road of changing decisions after a match has ended then pretty much every single match ever played will end in some kind of appeal to review the evidence and decide again, because every match has a loser, football these days is big business and businesses ALWAYS appeal decisions that go against them.

What if it's a draw?

il_principe

Jamey wrote:

If they start down the road of changing decisions after a match has ended then pretty much every single match ever played will end in some kind of appeal to review the evidence and decide again, because every match has a loser, football these days is big business and businesses ALWAYS appeal decisions that go against them.

Not if you bring in Video replay. Perhaps give each manager the right to "challenge" 2 decisions per game for video replay - like tennis. Works for Rugby, Tennis, Cricket, American Football, so it can work for footie, the sooner the better. I'm still sore about last season CL final when Pique hand balled in the box and got away with it scot free.

Clever Pun

I do think retrospective bans should come into place for that kind of thing... like the Eduardo dive (before they chickened out realising the can of worms they opened)

northstar

Not if you bring in Video replay. Perhaps give each manager the right to "challenge" 2 decisions per game

Once you undermine the referee you're on a far slippier slope.

suzyb

They wont do anything about it for the simple fact France getting to the finals is a bigger money spinner than Ireland.

And Henry is nothing but a stuck up cheating so and so who thinks his team are the greatest in the world and can't be beaten by anyone who doesn't cheat.

the_village_idiot

Wallace1492 wrote:

Commiserations to Sem69 for what happened to him.....

But, what the hell happened to Ireland, perhaps one of the biggests episodes of cheatery in sport. Denied a crack at a place in the finals by a blatent piece of cheating. And EUFA/FIFA endorse fair play, what happened has made a mockery of it. The message is "Cheat and you can be a winner".

Game should be replayed.

Who cares!?

Football is nothing but a business and taken far to seriously by most.

benno68

With match changing errors by the ref, I reckon the TV official should have the power to overide. What Il Principe says makes sense too - so if the video ref misses it, then the manager can make limited challenges.

If only it could be that easy

I'm not into football, but I'm sure it would make the players think twice. It would clean up rugby too, the Southern Hemisphere sides get away with murder! (the voice of a bitter Welshman).

tailwindhome

Who cares!?

Well I do since you asked.

Yes we were robbed, but we now have a moral victory which no one can take away.

Had that 'goal' the been disallowed we would have quite clearly won the penalty shootout and went on to win the Finals in South Africa

Whoever wins the World Cup, it will always be tainted with the stench of injustice.

Stuart Hall wrote:

What does it profit a man if he gains the World but loses his soul

Aguila

Ah Stuart Hall,..... the best footie commentator by miles (for comedy). Though Chris Kamara runs him close.

Would be interesting to see what would happen if the Irish FA sued for loss of earnings caused by not getting to the finals.

SmellTheGlove

Be careful what you claim for the video replay in cricket. The number of inconclusive line and catch decisions, despite the stationing of endless numbers of cameras is remarkable.
You could believe you have blanket camera coverage and still miss something that happens two feet from the umpire/ref in any sport.
My personal bugbear with retrospective challenges in football is that, while a yellow card can be rescinded, it can't be awarded after a match. How childish is that?

The general rule should be, if you can't apply the rule or "technology" in the park on a Sunday, then don't bring it into any level of the game.

cjcp

Benno68 wrote:

the Southern Hemisphere sides get away with murder! (the voice of a bitter Welshman).

Especially when they have gutless southern hemisphere refs on their side...

benno68

daviesee

And they say cycling is a corrupt sport? :evil:

It's all about the money.......

Here is a hypothetical scenario..
World cup finals has a group of Brazil, USA, Greece and New Zealand.
Because the Greeks are playing their defensive game and the USA are better than expected, the group is tight and in the last game Brazil need a draw against New Zealand, at least, to go through.
A Kiwi does as Henry did and Brazil are knocked out.

I bet FIFA would act then :evil:

CyclingBantam

What about the penalty that ROI got earlier in qualifying. I forget who it was against but it changed the game. It was shown it should never have been a penalty. Why should this game be replayed and that one not?

It was a shocking descision but only because it was so obvious. If he had only just touched it then it should still have been just as much a pen but nobody would have complained.

You really can't start picking and choosing which descisions you start going back on. That is just as unfair in it's self.

de_sisti

What gets me is that a lot of the football pundits have said they'd cheat if they had to. And
for this nonsense fair play malarky when the players all shake hands before a match,
what's that trying to prove. As for corner kicks at matches, it invarably ends up as a judo/wrestling
contest between strikers and defenders. How the refs miss this is beyond me. Only once
have I seen a defender penalised for this. That was in a recent Chelsea v Liverpool
champions league 1/4 final.

jamesco

cjcp wrote:

Benno68 wrote:

the Southern Hemisphere sides get away with murder! (the voice of a bitter Welshman).

Especially when they have gutless southern hemisphere refs on their side...

deptfordmarmoset

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For a start, that fly-apostrophe is clearly offside and interfering with the northern-hemisphere language.

spen666

Wallace1492 wrote:

Commiserations to Sem69 for what happened to him.....

But, what the hell happened to Ireland, perhaps one of the biggests episodes of cheatery in sport. Denied a crack at a place in the finals by a blatent piece of cheating. And EUFA/FIFA endorse fair play, what happened has made a mockery of it. The message is "Cheat and you can be a winner".

Game should be replayed .

We'd still be replaying the 1887-1888 league season if games were replayed everytime someone made a decision the other side disagreed with.

spen666

WheezyMcChubby wrote:

Who cares!?

Well I do since you asked.

Yoiu'#ll have to let me know which group the so called moral victory gets you in in the World Cup Finals


Would it be the left at home watching England on the TV group whilst bleating on about the fact that Ireland simply were not good enoughto qualify?

Had that 'goal' the been disallowed we would have quite clearly won the penalty shootout and went on to win the Finals in South Africa

Whoever wins the World Cup, it will always be tainted with the stench of injustice.

Funny I never heard you r countrymen saying the same about the 1986 World cup

Stuart Hall wrote:

What does it profit a man if he gains the World but loses his soul

tailwindhome

spen666 wrote:

WheezyMcChubby wrote:

Who cares!?

Well I do since you asked.

Yoiu'#ll have to let me know which group the so called moral victory gets you in in the World Cup Finals


Would it be the left at home watching England on the TV group whilst bleating on about the fact that Ireland simply were not good enoughto qualify?

Had that 'goal' the been disallowed we would have quite clearly won the penalty shootout and went on to win the Finals in South Africa

Whoever wins the World Cup, it will always be tainted with the stench of injustice.

Funny I never heard you r countrymen saying the same about the 1986 World cup

Stuart Hall wrote:

What does it profit a man if he gains the World but loses his soul

Are you Roy Keane in disguise?



I think you may have been taking my post a bit too seriously

tailwindhome

spen666 wrote:

We'd still be replaying the 1887-1888 league season if games were replayed everytime someone made a decision the other side disagreed with.

I think that's the key point here.

If a reply was granted it would create a situation were the result of every match was provisional until ratified by a commitee. Ireland had every right to ask for a replay, FIFAs decision was however correct.

Also 1966 World Cup Final would need to be replayed due to the ball not crossing the line and the pitch invasion prior to the last goal.

northstar

spen666 wrote:

Wallace1492 wrote:

Commiserations to Sem69 for what happened to him.....

But, what the hell happened to Ireland, perhaps one of the biggests episodes of cheatery in sport. Denied a crack at a place in the finals by a blatent piece of cheating. And EUFA/FIFA endorse fair play, what happened has made a mockery of it. The message is "Cheat and you can be a winner".

Game should be replayed .

We'd still be replaying the 1887-1888 league season if games were replayed everytime someone made a decision the other side disagreed with.

disagreed with?