Best baddies ?

afx237vi

disgruntledgoat wrote:

Dammit i typed all this out once and the site kicked me out...

Carcetti was only ever interested in gaining power and acclaim for himself. He cared not a jot about any of the problems the city had unless he could gain something by appearing to.

Rawls may have been following orders but dammit he enjoyed following them!

Adn I would add Sergei to your list too!

Re Carcetti: What about the way he refused to accept stats that had been juked? I think he did care about the fight against crime, as seen in the bit when he went on a tour of the suburbs with Colvin and was shown what real po-licing could do

OK, he did screw over the schools. And cheat on his wife. And quit his mayoral post halfway through his term to run for governor... but, err, I liked him!

RichN95.

disgruntledgoat wrote:

Adn I would add Sergei to your list too!

Definitely - one of my favourites. "Does he have hands? Does he have a face? No. Then it was not us"

timb64

Bush and Blair

teagar

afx237vi wrote:

disgruntledgoat wrote:

Dammit i typed all this out once and the site kicked me out...

Carcetti was only ever interested in gaining power and acclaim for himself. He cared not a jot about any of the problems the city had unless he could gain something by appearing to.

Rawls may have been following orders but dammit he enjoyed following them!

Adn I would add Sergei to your list too!

Re Carcetti: What about the way he refused to accept stats that had been juked? I think he did care about the fight against crime, as seen in the bit when he went on a tour of the suburbs with Colvin and was shown what real po-licing could do

OK, he did screw over the schools. And cheat on his wife. And quit his mayoral post halfway through his term to run for governor... but, err, I liked him!

C'mon guys. Some of us are only half way through season 4!!

For my money, Stringer Bell, precisely because he wasn't some caricature villain, but was still treated as such. Still a cold hearted bastard, but one I like to see on my screen.

afx237vi

teagar wrote:

C'mon guys. Some of us are only half way through season 4!!

For my money, Stringer Bell, precisely because he wasn't some caricature villain, but was still treated as such. Still a cold hearted bastard, but one I like to see on my screen.

Sorry about the spoilers :oops: They were are only little ones in the grand scheme of things.

Stringer is an interesting case, because he straddles the line between a white-collar criminal and your average run of the mill gangster. I guess it's up to the viewer to decide which is worse - The System (Carcetti, Clay Davies, Rawls) or The Street (Barksdale, Stanfield, Omar).

teagar

afx237vi wrote:

teagar wrote:

C'mon guys. Some of us are only half way through season 4!!

For my money, Stringer Bell, precisely because he wasn't some caricature villain, but was still treated as such. Still a cold hearted bastard, but one I like to see on my screen.

Sorry about the spoilers :oops: They were are only little ones in the grand scheme of things.

Stringer is an interesting case, because he straddles the line between a white-collar criminal and your average run of the mill gangster. I guess it's up to the viewer to decide which is worse - The System (Carcetti, Clay Davies, Rawls) or The Street (Barksdale, Stanfield, Omar).

Sure but isn't the point with Stringer that it's the criminal gangster side that catches up with him. It's a parralell to D'Angello, especially after the Great Gastby scene... The system you first buy into stains you forever.

Also... I'd have to say that the street is just another system, but an unrestrained one.

afx237vi

teagar wrote:

Sure but isn't the point with Stringer that it's the criminal gangster side that catches up with him. It's a parralell to D'Angello, especially after the Great Gastby scene... The system you first buy into stains you forever.

Also... I'd have to say that the street is just another system, but an unrestrained one.

I agree with that second point, and you could argue that the street has more of a moral code than the political system. The street has it's own rules and sticks to them, and anyone who transgresses pays the price. In the political system it's the opposite - you usually get rewarded for backstabbing, corruption and treachery.

The first bit, about being unable to escape the system you are born into - yeah, I think that is the main over-riding message of all 5 series'. There are numerous examples I can think of, but you haven't seen them all yet, so I won't elaborate. I can think of one character who does escape, though, but again, you haven't seen it.

disgruntledgoat

I can think of 3 who escape, with varying degrees of success...

Porgy

iainment wrote:

pedylan wrote:

Adolf Hitler or Margaret Thatcher

Hard to choose.


One was a dictatorial leader who led the country into an unnecessary war, dealt ruthlessly with those seen as disloyal, created internal conditions which brought about pitched battles on the country's streets and condemned millions to a bleak future.

The other came to power in Germany in the 1930's

Regardless of how much I detest Thatcher she was no Hitler.

No - Hitler was popular and loved by his people. :P

teagar

afx237vi wrote:

teagar wrote:

Sure but isn't the point with Stringer that it's the criminal gangster side that catches up with him. It's a parralell to D'Angello, especially after the Great Gastby scene... The system you first buy into stains you forever.

Also... I'd have to say that the street is just another system, but an unrestrained one.

I agree with that second point, and you could argue that the street has more of a moral code than the political system. The street has it's own rules and sticks to them, and anyone who transgresses pays the price. In the political system it's the opposite - you usually get rewarded for backstabbing, corruption and treachery.

The first bit, about being unable to escape the system you are born into - yeah, I think that is the main over-riding message of all 5 series'. There are numerous examples I can think of, but you haven't seen them all yet, so I won't elaborate. I can think of one character who does escape, though, but again, you haven't seen it.

Do you not also feel that all the systems are just part of the larger system - because all the systems of police, drugs,schools,politics, the docks etc, are all totally interdependant. They need each other to function properly.

disgruntledgoat

I think that's the system known as society.

Actually 4 who escape their little system. Prez being the addition.

Porgy

Jack Nicholson in The Shining - his last good performance...for quite a while
Roy Batty - Bladerunner
and Pris probably rates as the sexiest villain - if indeed that is what she was.
Otherwise Daryl Hannah's character in Kill Bills 1 and 2 was pretty sexy too.
David Prowse as Bristol's most evil Darth Vader
Christoher Lee in Wicker Man - though Lee was a pretty good villain in lots of stuff

afx237vi

teagar wrote:

Do you not also feel that all the systems are just part of the larger system - because all the systems of police, drugs,schools,politics, the docks etc, are all totally interdependant. They need each other to function properly.

Or not function properly, as is the usual case

I think all the systems seen in the series function in a roughly similar way - ie, those at the top will always act in their own self-interest and will always end up f*cking over the people a few rungs down the ladder. Despite what I said about the street's moral code, this is evident amongst the drug dealers too - like when D'Angelo was forced to carry the can at the end of series 1.

TheTalkingTurboTrainer

Wayne Barnes!!

If you follow rugby you'll know what I'm talking about. If you don't ... well what the bejesus is wrong with you? :shock:

richk

proto wrote:

Servalan. No contest.

Good one.

My choice is Baron Silas Greenback

afx237vi

TheTalkingTurboTrainer wrote:

Wayne Barnes!!

If you follow rugby you'll know what I'm talking about. If you don't ... well what the bejesus is wrong with you? :shock:

So who are you blaming for the 91, 95, 99 and 03 world cups?

red dragon

Dastardly and Muttlly.

TheTalkingTurboTrainer

afx237vi wrote:

TheTalkingTurboTrainer wrote:

Wayne Barnes!!

If you follow rugby you'll know what I'm talking about. If you don't ... well what the bejesus is wrong with you? :shock:

So who are you blaming for the 91, 95, 99 and 03 world cups?

That's easy 8) :

91: Ourselves. We weren't good enough

95: Food poisoning. Ummm the entire team WERE sick. Bloody good effort to only lose in extra time

99: The French :x OK we hadn't played well all tournament ... but still the French Oh and why play the worlds best Fullback (Cullen) at Centre???

03: The Coach :x Australia played well, Mitchell coached one style, picked bad teams and is an all round jerk.

With the exception of 95 and 07 we may have 'excuses' but they were of our own doing. Those two cups were dubious. Call me biased/arrogant/whatever but the entire team WAS suffering food poisoning (odd to get that in a 5 star hotel and even odder that it only effects one group of people). And it WAS a forward pass and there WERE innumerable badly referring decisions. Sure, everyone gets bad decisions but they were blatant. OK rant over ... deep breaths

Anonymous

Chris moyles anyone, fat cnut.

DavidBelcher

dmclite wrote:

Chris moyles anyone, fat cnut.

Not so much a baddie as shockingly bad - a dummy out of an M&S window display would make a better broadcaster. And have more redeeming features.

David

passout

Hal off 2001 Space Odyssey - in fact computers and robots are often 'good baddies'

volvine

Only one for me

BEGBIE from trainspotting pure evil bast*rd and the scary thing is most people know someone like him

crumbschief

Good thread,a few i can think of are

The german scientist Kroenen from Hellboy
Gabriel from The Prophecy
Angel Eyes from The Good The Bad And The Ugly
Molasar from The Keep
Oh and Sauron is pretty naughty too.

disgruntledgoat

crumbschief wrote:

The german scientist Kroenen from Hellboy

In the comics he was kind of a meek dupe of Ilsa and another Nazi.. who were in turn in the employ of that Dastardly Rasputin.

trekhead

Thierry Henry - cheating b*stard :twisted:

Cunobelin

Adolf Hitler or Tony Blair

Hard to choose.

One was a dictatorial leader and war criminal who led the country into an unnecessary war, by lying and falsifying information, dealt ruthlessly with those seen as disloyal, created internal conditions which brought about pitched battles on the country's streets and condemned millions to a bleak future with overspending, poor finances and now wishes to become President of Europe

The other came to power in Germany in the 1930's

andy162

DavidBelcher wrote:

dmclite wrote:

Chris moyles anyone, fat cnut.

Not so much a baddie as shockingly bad - a dummy out of an M&S window display would make a better broadcaster. And have more redeeming features.

David

moyles did make me laugh once. Not a big laugh, granted. More of a titter. Was a while back tho.

"Comedy"Dave....that's funny.

crumbschief

disgruntledgoat wrote:

crumbschief wrote:

The german scientist Kroenen from Hellboy

In the comics he was kind of a meek dupe of Ilsa and another Nazi.. who were in turn in the employ of that Dastardly Rasputin.

Ahh good to hear some more info i never got into reading the comic,thought about it though maybe i will if i see them,Yes that Rasputin although a love machine he was quite the baddie.

fnb1

The Borg!

Splottboy

Chuck Norris v Bruce Lee...Colussium fight.
Roy, Bladerunner.