gear change on down tube or all in one with brakes ?
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Probably you have all lost interest in this one, but my defence of downshifters was only that the Ciocc steel frame I bought came with 7 spd indexed Shimano downshifters and they work well enough on my commuter not to bother to replace them.
I think their cheapness and simplicity still makes them a valid choice. I also use a 5 speed basic commuter - a bike that is way better than it looks that i can leave anywhere and still expect to find it when I come back.
Centaur Ergos and 105 on the other road bikes though.0