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The Northern Monkey
The Northern Monkey Posts: 19,136
edited October 2009 in MTB buying advice
Which is the most desirable?
And which is the cheapest you would get without sacrificing function?

Taa

edit: whats the difference between the 426 and the 454 besides £50?
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  • nicklouse
    nicklouse Posts: 50,673
    it depends.

    do you want U turn?

    the 454 range.
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  • The Northern Monkey
    The Northern Monkey Posts: 19,136
    426 is listed as having Uturn though! lol.

    I'm well confused by all these numbers!
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  • dave_hill
    dave_hill Posts: 3,877
    426 have a steel steerer where the 454 is aluminium - you save a bit of weight (about 3oz I think). Also to 426 has an internal floodgate adjust where the 454 is external. And I think I'm correct in saying that the 454s are all air sprung.

    454 Air U-turn is the dogs nards, love mine to bits.
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  • nicklouse
    nicklouse Posts: 50,673
    read the specs on Srams webby.

    it tells you.
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  • The Northern Monkey
    The Northern Monkey Posts: 19,136
    dave_hill
    nah you can get 454 coil Uturn :)

    I am on the sram webby, just I dunno what most of the stuff means/does!
    Plus its all 2010 stuff, am looking at 08/09 :)

    onlything I can see different in the listings is the steerer as dave said.

    Air's are too expensive, like £400!! :shock:
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  • HandjobDan
    HandjobDan Posts: 704
    They don't make the 454 air anymore due to the Revelation being increased to 150mm travel.

    I had a set of 426's loved them to bits and soooo smooth and plush, with the 20mm maxle they're virtually indestructible.
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  • nicklouse
    nicklouse Posts: 50,673
    there is no real difference in the specs over the years.

    you have 3 levels 409-426-454 low to high and each level has 3 options. coil uturn, air u turn and then dual air heavy to light.

    things to look at are the flood gate is it internal (tooled in 2010 speak) or external.
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  • The Northern Monkey
    The Northern Monkey Posts: 19,136
    ahh ok then....

    So what does the floodgate do then? I take it that its easier to adjust if its external, but I cant see what it actually does on the RS webby!
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  • nicklouse
    nicklouse Posts: 50,673
    download a manual and read :wink:

    it sets the blow-off level for the lockout.
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  • BlackSpur
    BlackSpur Posts: 4,228
    Having external adjustment is no major boon, the only reason to go for the 454 is so save weight although i doubt that is a priority for the Surge!
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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,666
    wanna buy some 55s?
  • dave_hill
    dave_hill Posts: 3,877
    yeehaamcgee wrote:
    wanna buy some 55s?

    Meh...
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  • The Northern Monkey
    The Northern Monkey Posts: 19,136
    meh indeed :P
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  • bomberesque
    bomberesque Posts: 1,701
    I have the 426 coil uturns (07 I think)

    as far as I can tell the only diff between the coil 426 and coil 454 uturns was some weight. The 426 floodgate can be (easily) adjusted from the saddle so I do't know what improvement the 454 could have made (my 426 did not have any sort of pop/push lock though, for whatever that's worth on such a fork).

    I went with the 426 as I couldn't see the added value in a little bit of lost weight in what, at the end of the day, is still a very lardy fork

    426 pike rocks though!
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  • bungalistic
    bungalistic Posts: 543
    I have the coil u-turn 426 fork (08 I think). The only difference between the 426 and 454 in the coil version is as above, 426 has steel steerer and solid crown, 454 has alu steerer and hollow crown for weight saving.

    Both have a lock out system on the right leg, and on top of this it has a floodgate setting which means when running lockout you can have the option to have some travel if you take a hit or forget to turn it off when you go downhill.

    All seem to have a wee problem with leaking oil out of this floodgate system however, TFtuned say they can fix, mine started to leak after a bad landing on a drop.
  • dave_hill
    dave_hill Posts: 3,877
    bungalistic wrote:
    All seem to have a wee problem with leaking oil out of this floodgate system however.

    Can't say that's happened with mine. They've been perfect from day 1.
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  • bungalistic
    bungalistic Posts: 543
    Think it's mainly an issue with the coil forks, I know i've heard totems and boxxers have this problem at times too, it's more annoying than serious though.
  • richg1979
    richg1979 Posts: 1,087
    i had this problem on a brand new set of 09 duel air revelations.

    bottomed out forks and it turned the floogate head seal inside out and it blew all the oil out. had to strip floodgate cartridge and reseat seal and refill with oil, been fine ever scince. the only thing that could of caused it is too much oil in from factory.
  • The Northern Monkey
    The Northern Monkey Posts: 19,136
    Well I had set on some cheap dual air 454 second hand, but my domains are back to working order :)

    Sorry for wasting peoples time... but... I might still have a look at some cheap ones anyways :)
    Santa Cruz Butcher

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