Clarkson's bang on.

Aggieboy

http://news.aol.co.uk/uk-news/clarkson- ... 7389970533

fungus_the_muffin_man

You really think so ?

I hate watching tv nowadays. You can't watch anything for all those black/asian lesbian presenters getting in the way :roll:

Lets start a list of shows who have the kind os presenters he's going on about.

I'll start the list

1. :?:


sorry can't think of one at all. The guys a knob who's not even that funny anymore

DavidBelcher

Fungus The Muffin Man wrote:

You really think so ?

I hate watching tv nowadays. You can't watch anything for all those black/asian lesbian presenters getting in the way :roll:

Lets start a list of shows who have the kind os presenters he's going on about.

I'll start the list

1. :?:


sorry can't think of one at all. The guys a knob who's not even that funny anymore

Well said. Can't think of any shows that fit the bill either. Compare and contrast with Toss Gear, dominated by white, middle-aged ex-public schoolboys....

David

Aggieboy

As I'm sure you were both aware before posting, JC's example was, of course (as with most things he says), an over exaggerated example.
I was referring to the sentiment of his point that, as in my opinion, we shouldn't need to draw distinctions. As long as somebody is good enough for their job then that should suffice. I was particularly thinking of the 'oldies' being kicked off eg. Moira Stuart. Anybody disagree she wasn't up to the job anymore and someone younger was needed?

geoff_ss

Aggieboy wrote:

As I'm sure you were both aware before posting, JC's example was, of course (as with most things he says), an over exaggerated example.
I was referring to the sentiment of his point that, as in my opinion, we shouldn't need to draw distinctions. As long as somebody is good enough for their job then that should suffice. I was particularly thinking of the 'oldies' being kicked off eg. Moira Stuart. Anybody disagree she wasn't up to the job anymore and someone younger was needed?

Yes, like his comment that he'd run down any cyclist that got in his way was exaggerated. He seems to have a pathological hatred of cyclists which may also be exaggerated for effect.

Unfortunately many of his testosterone laden young fans don't appreciate the subtlety that you appear to do and take what he say literally. Effective communication means understanding your audience and using appropriate language. Clarkson does the former but neglects (perhaps deliberately) to do the latter.

As David Belcher put it more succinctly ... he's a knob.

Geoff

softlad

for what it's worth, I agree with Clarkson..

The media perpetuates the issue by continuing to draw distinctions between old/young, men/women, black/white and even gay/straight....when ability should be the only qualifier..

I got fed up of counting the number of times I heard Obama being described as the first 'black' American president. Describing him as 'black' simply perpetuates the division as far as I'm concerned...

finchy

Geoff_SS wrote:

As David Belcher put it more succinctly ... he's a knob.

No he isn't, he's a hero for the poor, persecuted, long-suffering, white middle-class male, whose life has been made a misery by constant political correctness and the health and safety brigade. :roll:

Wouldn't this be funny... Jeremy Clarkson finally fulfils the self-loathing male's wet dream, becomes PM, abolishes speed limits and the HSE, and within two weeks gets hit by a speeding car and a nasty bout of food poisoning from a filthy restaurant kitchen. :twisted:

nasahapley

Well I just can't understand why Jeremy Clarkson would come out with some completely unoriginal, hackneyed, jejune 'political correctness gone mad' drivel that he must know will nevertheless be discussed ad nauseum on internet forums - it's almost as if he subscribes to the theory that there's no such thing as bad publicity.

Oh hang on, it's less than three months 'til Christmas and he's got a book out. I think I get it now.

DavidBelcher

johnfinch wrote:

and within two weeks gets hit by a speeding car and a nasty bout of food poisoning from a filthy restaurant kitchen. :twisted:

That bloomin' James Martin, eh? There's no stopping him!

David

DavidBelcher

nasahapley wrote:

Oh hang on, it's less than three months 'til Christmas and he's got a book out. I think I get it now.

That'll be Jeremy Clarkson's Perpetual Middle-Aged Rant, published by Izal Press and appearing in all good Oxfam shops for about three quid by the middle of January.

David

DavidBelcher

Geoff_SS wrote:

As David Belcher put it more succinctly ... he's a knob.

Credit where credit's due - Fungus The Muffin Man posted that bit. I'm of a similar opinion, though.

David

ddraver

johnfinch wrote:

Geoff_SS wrote:

As David Belcher put it more succinctly ... he's a knob.

No he isn't, he's a hero for the poor, persecuted, long-suffering, white middle-class male, whose life has been made a misery by constant political correctness and the health and safety brigade. :roll:

Wouldn't this be funny... Jeremy Clarkson finally fulfils the self-loathing male's wet dream, becomes PM, abolishes speed limits and the HSE, and within two weeks gets hit by a speeding car and a nasty bout of food poisoning from a filthy restaurant kitchen. :twisted:

one would think he'd die happy though!!

fungus_the_muffin_man

Aggieboy wrote:

As I'm sure you were both aware before posting, JC's example was, of course (as with most things he says), an over exaggerated example.
I was referring to the sentiment of his point that, as in my opinion, we shouldn't need to draw distinctions. As long as somebody is good enough for their job then that should suffice. I was particularly thinking of the 'oldies' being kicked off eg. Moira Stuart. Anybody disagree she wasn't up to the job anymore and someone younger was needed?

I agree with your sentiments completley in that jobs should not be given out on the basis of gender, sexual, racial equality. If your the best person for the job then the job should be yours no matter what you are. However he'd have been better off making it a statement based of ageism as that is a situation that has happened lately. Rather than making a ludicrus comment thst no one can even relate to.

Aggieboy

softlad wrote:

for what it's worth, I agree with Clarkson..

The media perpetuates the issue by continuing to draw distinctions between old/young, men/women, black/white and even gay/straight....when ability should be the only qualifier..

I got fed up of counting the number of times I heard Obama being described as the first 'black' American president. Describing him as 'black' simply perpetuates the division as far as I'm concerned...

That term always amuses me. It's actually truer to say he's America's first mixed race President, isn't it?

Skippy2309

Try joining the police force in london..... especially if you are a white hetrosexual male!!

same with most things, NHS, even at my current workplace all of the guys interviewed were black.... all the women were muslim, equal opportunities on the forms are a load of crap, it just means companies can select who comes for interview so they can balance their books.

If we are sooo up on equal opportunities why does race or sex come into it? why on every single form or slip of paper does it ask your race, sex and religion?

finchy

Skippy2309 wrote:

Try joining the police force in london..... especially if you are a white hetrosexual male!!

same with most things, NHS, even at my current workplace all of the guys interviewed were black.... all the women were muslim, equal opportunities on the forms are a load of crap, it just means companies can select who comes for interview so they can balance their books.

If we are sooo up on equal opportunities why does race or sex come into it? why on every single form or slip of paper does it ask your race, sex and religion?

Any form of discrimination (including "positive" discrimination) is against the law.

If anyone feels that they have been discriminated against on grounds of race, they can take legal action.

sicknote

Skippy2309 wrote:

Try joining the police force in london..... especially if you are a white hetrosexual male!!

same with most things, NHS, even at my current workplace all of the guys interviewed were black.... all the women were muslim, equal opportunities on the forms are a load of crap, it just means companies can select who comes for interview so they can balance their books.

If we are sooo up on equal opportunities why does race or sex come into it? why on every single form or slip of paper does it ask your race, sex and religion?

This is something that has not always been the case but if you are white and in this country ( without any friends of colour ), it might not be something you saw or noticed.

The BBC proved it so years ago by have a black and white ring up for jobs/ rooms and see how they where treaded.

On whole the black guy got the shit end of the stick but what has happened now is it has gone too far the other way in some ways.

Being around Tottenham before and after the riots, you might better understand it if you where black.


Plus from what I understand about the race thing in the US ( I could be wrong in this and have been known to be, just ask my wife )
If you have any black in you, then you are classed as black.

passout

Aggieboy wrote:

softlad wrote:

for what it's worth, I agree with Clarkson..

The media perpetuates the issue by continuing to draw distinctions between old/young, men/women, black/white and even gay/straight....when ability should be the only qualifier..

I got fed up of counting the number of times I heard Obama being described as the first 'black' American president. Describing him as 'black' simply perpetuates the division as far as I'm concerned...

That term always amuses me. It's actually truer to say he's America's first mixed race President, isn't it?

Interesting point but the above is right. Its a historical hang up in the States because in the past you were either black (and usually someones property) or white. Mixed race people slotted into the black category. That tradition still persists to some degree over there today - amongst both communities. It has always been a bit different over here.

I work in education and I have never seen positive discrimination in action to be honest. It's never even been discussed! We only ever appoint on the basis of our faith in that persons abilities.

deptfordmarmoset

passout wrote:

Aggieboy wrote:

softlad wrote:

for what it's worth, I agree with Clarkson..

The media perpetuates the issue by continuing to draw distinctions between old/young, men/women, black/white and even gay/straight....when ability should be the only qualifier..

I got fed up of counting the number of times I heard Obama being described as the first 'black' American president. Describing him as 'black' simply perpetuates the division as far as I'm concerned...

That term always amuses me. It's actually truer to say he's America's first mixed race President, isn't it?

Interesting point but the above is right. Its a historical hang up in the States because in the past you were either black (and usually someones property) or white. Mixed race people slotted into the black category. That tradition still persists to some degree over there today - amongst both communities. It has always been a bit different over here.

I work in education and I have never seen positive discrimination in action to be honest. It's never even been discussed! We only ever appoint on the basis of our faith in that persons abilities.

At the same time, it seemed pretty evident to me that Barack Obama was embraced by many blacks in the UK as black. I was in a primary school when he was elected and an impressive number of black children (aged 7 - 8) came into school talking about Obama and asking questions about him. Clearly, his election had been a very important subject in family conversations, because kids that age don't really do politics.

To me, a white European, he's mixed-race.

This leads me to think that he's both black and mixed-race, depending on the orientation of the observer.

tlw1

Aggieboy wrote:

softlad wrote:

for what it's worth, I agree with Clarkson..

The media perpetuates the issue by continuing to draw distinctions between old/young, men/women, black/white and even gay/straight....when ability should be the only qualifier..

I got fed up of counting the number of times I heard Obama being described as the first 'black' American president. Describing him as 'black' simply perpetuates the division as far as I'm concerned...

That term always amuses me. It's actually truer to say he's America's first mixed race President, isn't it?

same with Lewis Hamilton - too much time talking about colour rather than the person

Anonymous

matthew h wrote:

Aggieboy wrote:

softlad wrote:

for what it's worth, I agree with Clarkson..

The media perpetuates the issue by continuing to draw distinctions between old/young, men/women, black/white and even gay/straight....when ability should be the only qualifier..

I got fed up of counting the number of times I heard Obama being described as the first 'black' American president. Describing him as 'black' simply perpetuates the division as far as I'm concerned...

That term always amuses me. It's actually truer to say he's America's first mixed race President, isn't it?

same with Lewis Hamilton - too much time talking about colour rather than the person

Yeah, he was also good as Bodie in the professionals.

Wappygixer

FWIW I think Clarkeson does have it right.
Just look at what TV bosses do now with Big brother.How many non british,gay,coloured people do they need to put in, about half a shows worth with the remainder being hetrosexual white english people.They cant even pick entertaining people now just people who will clash the most.

mfin

I think he's right too. Not the way he's put it maybe.

In the context of shows with multiple presenters Im sure shows like his are under pressure to add in/change about presenters that might represent/attract slightly different demographic groups ...if that is ever done at the expense of choosing 'something that works' then it would be daft.

Although I too can't think of direct examples with presenters... they did add the black chap into the gadget show, and he's crap, but then again the show was crap anyway, so it doesn't really work as an example... and the black doll on play school... no, another bad example....

...anyway.... love or hate Top Gear the dynamic between the presenters works, if you were going to replace one of them then you'd need someone to work in that dynamic, colour and sexuality would have absolutely nothing to do with it if you were wanting to achieve this. In fact, more likely the opposite to any of this multi-demographic thinking would, I can imagine them getting a grumpy, funny 90yr old to co-present more successfully than a 25yr old run-of-the-mill trendy coloured chap ...and how many 90yr olds watch top gear?

I personally couldn't care less on the colour/religion/sexuality of any presenter as long as they're good at what they do and they don't continually push 'what they are' at you in some cheap way.

Headhuunter

DavidBelcher wrote:

nasahapley wrote:

Oh hang on, it's less than three months 'til Christmas and he's got a book out. I think I get it now.

That'll be Jeremy Clarkson's Perpetual Middle-Aged Rant, published by Izal Press and appearing in all good Oxfam shops for about three quid by the middle of January.

David

Funny! What Clarkson says usually tends to be fodder for The Sun reading classes and is instantly forgettable. What he says here is not objectionable and very even-handed but is just.... Dull.... It's been said many, many times already over the years. Clarkson - we get it. You're a white, middle class, middle aged, straight man. Get on with what you're good at - Top Gear - and leave it at that.