Speed

markwalker

Yesterday, the 25m tt record was beaten by David McCann in a time of 45.54 thats 33mph average! Are the best uk pros a match for the non specialists in the pro tour on a dc course?

LangerDan

markwalker wrote:

Yesterday, the 25m tt record was beaten by David McCann in a time of 45.54 thats 33mph average! Are the best uk pros a match for the non specialists in the pro tour on a dc course?

Who knows? They might be.

However, McCann is Irish.

Kléber

The average speed isn't comparable, since British TTs are held on open motorways and riders benefit from passing traffic.

But look at Wiggins, he was head and shoulders above the rest in the British champs and I don't think he was quite on top form. The pros really are the world's best specialists.

markwalker

LangerDan wrote:

markwalker wrote:

Yesterday, the 25m tt record was beaten by David McCann in a time of 45.54 thats 33mph average! Are the best uk pros a match for the non specialists in the pro tour on a dc course?

Who knows? They might be.

However, McCann is Irish.

Northern Irish I think like Hutchinson. But that aside a blindingly fast ride!

LangerDan

markwalker wrote:

LangerDan wrote:

markwalker wrote:

Yesterday, the 25m tt record was beaten by David McCann in a time of 45.54 thats 33mph average! Are the best uk pros a match for the non specialists in the pro tour on a dc course?

Who knows? They might be.

However, McCann is Irish.

Northern Irish I think like Hutchinson. But that aside a blindingly fast ride!

Yup but McCann holds an Irish racing licence, has been Irish national RR and TT champion and rides on the Irish international squad.

markwalker

Kléber wrote:

The average speed isn't comparable, since British TTs are held on open motorways and riders benefit from passing traffic.

But look at Wiggins, he was head and shoulders above the rest in the British champs and I don't think he was quite on top form. The pros really are the world's best specialists.

Yes he was incredible, but Wiggins is almost a specialist at this sort of thing. With the exception of the specialists like Millar and wiggins how would some of the others compare? Hammond and Cavendish for egsample are top of their particular tree but would Hutch beat them and for your average peleoton member how would they compare in a head to head motorway traffic assisted or not?

Im assuming a flatish course and equal access to equipment and a relativley long tt like a 25

markwalker

LangerDan wrote:

markwalker wrote:

LangerDan wrote:

markwalker wrote:

Yesterday, the 25m tt record was beaten by David McCann in a time of 45.54 thats 33mph average! Are the best uk pros a match for the non specialists in the pro tour on a dc course?

Who knows? They might be.

However, McCann is Irish.

Northern Irish I think like Hutchinson. But that aside a blindingly fast ride!

Yup but McCann holds an Irish racing licence, has been Irish national RR and TT champion and rides on the Irish international squad.

Probably easier than getting into the GB squad

Kléber

markwalker wrote:

Hammond and Cavendish for egsample are top of their particular tree but would Hutch beat them and for your average peleoton member how would they compare in a head to head motorway traffic assisted or not?

Im assuming a flatish course and equal access to equipment and a relativley long tt like a 25

I'd imagine Hutch could beat them, yes. He's a specialist at these events and trains accordingly, just as Hutch would flounder in a Pro Tour race. Indeed I wonder how he'd do in a Premier Calendar, has he done any?

disgruntledgoat

markwalker wrote:

Kléber wrote:

The average speed isn't comparable, since British TTs are held on open motorways and riders benefit from passing traffic.

But look at Wiggins, he was head and shoulders above the rest in the British champs and I don't think he was quite on top form. The pros really are the world's best specialists.

Yes he was incredible, but Wiggins is almost a specialist at this sort of thing. With the exception of the specialists like Millar and wiggins how would some of the others compare? Hammond and Cavendish for egsample are top of their particular tree but would Hutch beat them and for your average peleoton member how would they compare in a head to head motorway traffic assisted or not?

Im assuming a flatish course and equal access to equipment and a relativley long tt like a 25

By way of illustrating this point.. I beat Hutch at the national Hill Climb Champs in 2005 and none of you will ever have heard of me.

markwalker

Kléber wrote:

markwalker wrote:

Hammond and Cavendish for egsample are top of their particular tree but would Hutch beat them and for your average peleoton member how would they compare in a head to head motorway traffic assisted or not?

Im assuming a flatish course and equal access to equipment and a relativley long tt like a 25

I'd imagine Hutch could beat them, yes. He's a specialist at these events and trains accordingly, just as Hutch would flounder in a Pro Tour race. Indeed I wonder how he'd do in a Premier Calendar, has he done any?

Not sure, some lunch time surfing is required

markwalker

disgruntledgoat wrote:

markwalker wrote:

Kléber wrote:

The average speed isn't comparable, since British TTs are held on open motorways and riders benefit from passing traffic.

But look at Wiggins, he was head and shoulders above the rest in the British champs and I don't think he was quite on top form. The pros really are the world's best specialists.

Yes he was incredible, but Wiggins is almost a specialist at this sort of thing. With the exception of the specialists like Millar and wiggins how would some of the others compare? Hammond and Cavendish for egsample are top of their particular tree but would Hutch beat them and for your average peleoton member how would they compare in a head to head motorway traffic assisted or not?

Im assuming a flatish course and equal access to equipment and a relativley long tt like a 25

By way of illustrating this point.. I beat Hutch at the national Hill Climb Champs in 2005 and none of you will ever have heard of me.

Id have to be going down the hill to beat anyone

bompington

Kléber wrote:

British TTs are held on open motorways

!!!!

Kléber

bompington wrote:

Kléber wrote:

British TTs are held on open motorways

!!!!

Here he is on the A1

Ok, it's not the M1 but it's almost the same. Times would certainly be slower if the road was closed to traffic.

markwalker

Ive never understood the appeal myself. but each to their own i suppose.

He probably goes that fast to get off as quickly as possible!

deejay.

markwalker wrote:

disgruntledgoat wrote:

markwalker wrote:

Kléber wrote:

The average speed isn't comparable, since British TTs are held on open motorways and riders benefit from passing traffic.

But look at Wiggins, he was head and shoulders above the rest in the British champs and I don't think he was quite on top form. The pros really are the world's best specialists.

Yes he was incredible, but Wiggins is almost a specialist at this sort of thing. With the exception of the specialists like Millar and wiggins how would some of the others compare? Hammond and Cavendish for egsample are top of their particular tree but would Hutch beat them and for your average peleoton member how would they compare in a head to head motorway traffic assisted or not?

Im assuming a flatish course and equal access to equipment and a relativley long tt like a 25

By way of illustrating this point.. I beat Hutch at the national Hill Climb Champs in 2005 and none of you will ever have heard of me.

You and me both - mind you, I'd be hitting supersonic by the bottom

jim one

http://www.melbourne2006.com.au/Schedul ... emID=30725

Here is an interesting result for you to compare. He beat Svein Tuft who was 2nd in the world champs last year and also Chris Froome (who would have been 21/22) but was beaten by some people that are not good enough to get on a pro tour team.

markwalker

jim one wrote:

http://www.melbourne2006.com.au/Schedule and Results/By Sport/Cycling Road/Results/Result - CR0011XXXXXXXX?ScheduleItemID=30725

Here is an interesting result for you to compare. He beat Svein Tuft who was 2nd in the world champs last year and also Chris Froome (who would have been 21/22) but was beaten by some people that are not good enough to get on a pro tour team.

Horses for courses then but pretty good.

It would be interesting to compare numbers FTP and so on and see if that tells us anything. (or not)

e999sam

Wiggins recently put about 3 Min's into Hutchinson in the National TT and he put about 5 Min's into Cavendish in the last TT of the TDF but I dare say Cavendish wasn't trying to hard he would have been saving himself for the last stage.

RichN95.

e999sam wrote:

Wiggins recently put about 3 Min's into Hutchinson in the National TT and he put about 5 Min's into Cavendish in the last TT of the TDF but I dare say Cavendish wasn't trying to hard he would have been saving himself for the last stage.

But then in the same TT he beat Frank Schleck by just under two minutes. He was definately trying and is a noted 'poor' time-triallist.

markwalker

RichN95 wrote:

e999sam wrote:

Wiggins recently put about 3 Min's into Hutchinson in the National TT and he put about 5 Min's into Cavendish in the last TT of the TDF but I dare say Cavendish wasn't trying to hard he would have been saving himself for the last stage.

But then in the same TT he beat Frank Schleck by just under two minutes. He was definately trying and is a noted 'poor' time-triallist.

Wish i was ascrap as that

moray_gub

jim one wrote:

http://www.melbourne2006.com.au/Schedule and Results/By Sport/Cycling Road/Results/Result - CR0011XXXXXXXX?ScheduleItemID=30725

Here is an interesting result for you to compare. He beat Svein Tuft who was 2nd in the world champs last year and also Chris Froome (who would have been 21/22) but was beaten by some people that are not good enough to get on a pro tour team.

Interesting to note the Irish guy in 5th riding for Northern Ireland.