Speed

markwalker
markwalker Posts: 953
edited September 2009 in Pro race
Yesterday, the 25m tt record was beaten by David McCann in a time of 45.54 thats 33mph average! Are the best uk pros a match for the non specialists in the pro tour on a dc course?

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  • LangerDan
    LangerDan Posts: 6,132
    markwalker wrote:
    Yesterday, the 25m tt record was beaten by David McCann in a time of 45.54 thats 33mph average! Are the best uk pros a match for the non specialists in the pro tour on a dc course?

    Who knows? They might be.

    However, McCann is Irish.
    'This week I 'ave been mostly been climbing like Basso - Shirley Basso.'
  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    The average speed isn't comparable, since British TTs are held on open motorways and riders benefit from passing traffic.

    But look at Wiggins, he was head and shoulders above the rest in the British champs and I don't think he was quite on top form. The pros really are the world's best specialists.
  • LangerDan wrote:
    markwalker wrote:
    Yesterday, the 25m tt record was beaten by David McCann in a time of 45.54 thats 33mph average! Are the best uk pros a match for the non specialists in the pro tour on a dc course?

    Who knows? They might be.

    However, McCann is Irish.

    Northern Irish I think like Hutchinson. But that aside a blindingly fast ride!
  • LangerDan
    LangerDan Posts: 6,132
    markwalker wrote:
    LangerDan wrote:
    markwalker wrote:
    Yesterday, the 25m tt record was beaten by David McCann in a time of 45.54 thats 33mph average! Are the best uk pros a match for the non specialists in the pro tour on a dc course?

    Who knows? They might be.

    However, McCann is Irish.

    Northern Irish I think like Hutchinson. But that aside a blindingly fast ride!

    Yup but McCann holds an Irish racing licence, has been Irish national RR and TT champion and rides on the Irish international squad.
    'This week I 'ave been mostly been climbing like Basso - Shirley Basso.'
  • Kléber wrote:
    The average speed isn't comparable, since British TTs are held on open motorways and riders benefit from passing traffic.

    But look at Wiggins, he was head and shoulders above the rest in the British champs and I don't think he was quite on top form. The pros really are the world's best specialists.

    Yes he was incredible, but Wiggins is almost a specialist at this sort of thing. With the exception of the specialists like Millar and wiggins how would some of the others compare? Hammond and Cavendish for egsample are top of their particular tree but would Hutch beat them and for your average peleoton member how would they compare in a head to head motorway traffic assisted or not?

    Im assuming a flatish course and equal access to equipment and a relativley long tt like a 25
  • LangerDan wrote:
    markwalker wrote:
    LangerDan wrote:
    markwalker wrote:
    Yesterday, the 25m tt record was beaten by David McCann in a time of 45.54 thats 33mph average! Are the best uk pros a match for the non specialists in the pro tour on a dc course?

    Who knows? They might be.

    However, McCann is Irish.

    Northern Irish I think like Hutchinson. But that aside a blindingly fast ride!

    Yup but McCann holds an Irish racing licence, has been Irish national RR and TT champion and rides on the Irish international squad.

    Probably easier than getting into the GB squad ;)
  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    markwalker wrote:
    Hammond and Cavendish for egsample are top of their particular tree but would Hutch beat them and for your average peleoton member how would they compare in a head to head motorway traffic assisted or not?

    Im assuming a flatish course and equal access to equipment and a relativley long tt like a 25
    I'd imagine Hutch could beat them, yes. He's a specialist at these events and trains accordingly, just as Hutch would flounder in a Pro Tour race. Indeed I wonder how he'd do in a Premier Calendar, has he done any?
  • markwalker wrote:
    Kléber wrote:
    The average speed isn't comparable, since British TTs are held on open motorways and riders benefit from passing traffic.

    But look at Wiggins, he was head and shoulders above the rest in the British champs and I don't think he was quite on top form. The pros really are the world's best specialists.

    Yes he was incredible, but Wiggins is almost a specialist at this sort of thing. With the exception of the specialists like Millar and wiggins how would some of the others compare? Hammond and Cavendish for egsample are top of their particular tree but would Hutch beat them and for your average peleoton member how would they compare in a head to head motorway traffic assisted or not?

    Im assuming a flatish course and equal access to equipment and a relativley long tt like a 25

    By way of illustrating this point.. I beat Hutch at the national Hill Climb Champs in 2005 and none of you will ever have heard of me.
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

    @gietvangent
  • Kléber wrote:
    markwalker wrote:
    Hammond and Cavendish for egsample are top of their particular tree but would Hutch beat them and for your average peleoton member how would they compare in a head to head motorway traffic assisted or not?

    Im assuming a flatish course and equal access to equipment and a relativley long tt like a 25
    I'd imagine Hutch could beat them, yes. He's a specialist at these events and trains accordingly, just as Hutch would flounder in a Pro Tour race. Indeed I wonder how he'd do in a Premier Calendar, has he done any?

    Not sure, some lunch time surfing is required
  • markwalker wrote:
    Kléber wrote:
    The average speed isn't comparable, since British TTs are held on open motorways and riders benefit from passing traffic.

    But look at Wiggins, he was head and shoulders above the rest in the British champs and I don't think he was quite on top form. The pros really are the world's best specialists.

    Yes he was incredible, but Wiggins is almost a specialist at this sort of thing. With the exception of the specialists like Millar and wiggins how would some of the others compare? Hammond and Cavendish for egsample are top of their particular tree but would Hutch beat them and for your average peleoton member how would they compare in a head to head motorway traffic assisted or not?

    Im assuming a flatish course and equal access to equipment and a relativley long tt like a 25

    By way of illustrating this point.. I beat Hutch at the national Hill Climb Champs in 2005 and none of you will ever have heard of me.


    Id have to be going down the hill to beat anyone :(
  • bompington
    bompington Posts: 7,674
    Kléber wrote:
    British TTs are held on open motorways
    !!!!
  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    bompington wrote:
    Kléber wrote:
    British TTs are held on open motorways
    !!!!
    Here he is on the A1
    Hutchinson-Michael-798-75.jpg
    Ok, it's not the M1 but it's almost the same. Times would certainly be slower if the road was closed to traffic.
  • Ive never understood the appeal myself. but each to their own i suppose.

    He probably goes that fast to get off as quickly as possible!
  • deejay.
    deejay. Posts: 665
    markwalker wrote:
    markwalker wrote:
    Kléber wrote:
    The average speed isn't comparable, since British TTs are held on open motorways and riders benefit from passing traffic.

    But look at Wiggins, he was head and shoulders above the rest in the British champs and I don't think he was quite on top form. The pros really are the world's best specialists.

    Yes he was incredible, but Wiggins is almost a specialist at this sort of thing. With the exception of the specialists like Millar and wiggins how would some of the others compare? Hammond and Cavendish for egsample are top of their particular tree but would Hutch beat them and for your average peleoton member how would they compare in a head to head motorway traffic assisted or not?

    Im assuming a flatish course and equal access to equipment and a relativley long tt like a 25

    By way of illustrating this point.. I beat Hutch at the national Hill Climb Champs in 2005 and none of you will ever have heard of me.



    You and me both - mind you, I'd be hitting supersonic by the bottom :lol:
    He's more machine now than man. Twisted and evil...
  • jim one
    jim one Posts: 183
    http://www.melbourne2006.com.au/Schedul ... emID=30725

    Here is an interesting result for you to compare. He beat Svein Tuft who was 2nd in the world champs last year and also Chris Froome (who would have been 21/22) but was beaten by some people that are not good enough to get on a pro tour team.
  • jim one wrote:
    http://www.melbourne2006.com.au/Schedule and Results/By Sport/Cycling Road/Results/Result - CR0011XXXXXXXX?ScheduleItemID=30725

    Here is an interesting result for you to compare. He beat Svein Tuft who was 2nd in the world champs last year and also Chris Froome (who would have been 21/22) but was beaten by some people that are not good enough to get on a pro tour team.

    Horses for courses then but pretty good.

    It would be interesting to compare numbers FTP and so on and see if that tells us anything. (or not)
  • e999sam
    e999sam Posts: 426
    Wiggins recently put about 3 Min's into Hutchinson in the National TT and he put about 5 Min's into Cavendish in the last TT of the TDF but I dare say Cavendish wasn't trying to hard he would have been saving himself for the last stage.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,252
    e999sam wrote:
    Wiggins recently put about 3 Min's into Hutchinson in the National TT and he put about 5 Min's into Cavendish in the last TT of the TDF but I dare say Cavendish wasn't trying to hard he would have been saving himself for the last stage.

    But then in the same TT he beat Frank Schleck by just under two minutes. He was definately trying and is a noted 'poor' time-triallist.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • RichN95 wrote:
    e999sam wrote:
    Wiggins recently put about 3 Min's into Hutchinson in the National TT and he put about 5 Min's into Cavendish in the last TT of the TDF but I dare say Cavendish wasn't trying to hard he would have been saving himself for the last stage.

    But then in the same TT he beat Frank Schleck by just under two minutes. He was definately trying and is a noted 'poor' time-triallist.

    Wish i was ascrap as that :(
  • moray_gub
    moray_gub Posts: 3,328
    jim one wrote:
    http://www.melbourne2006.com.au/Schedule and Results/By Sport/Cycling Road/Results/Result - CR0011XXXXXXXX?ScheduleItemID=30725

    Here is an interesting result for you to compare. He beat Svein Tuft who was 2nd in the world champs last year and also Chris Froome (who would have been 21/22) but was beaten by some people that are not good enough to get on a pro tour team.

    Interesting to note the Irish guy in 5th riding for Northern Ireland.
    Gasping - but somehow still alive !