Wiggins to Sky, Contador to Garmin.

blazing_saddles
blazing_saddles Posts: 22,726
edited September 2009 in Pro race
Well probably.
There have been rumblings and rumours to this effect, for a while now.
Several "sources" have said it's a done deal.
The Guardian have now reported the same.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/se ... s-team-sky

Should please all concerned and not please others, especially if that other rumour, regarding a lot of mountaintop stage finishes, at next year's Tour, is also true!
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Just posted in the transfers thread that Vaughters has said there is no truth to it.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • Pokerface
    Pokerface Posts: 7,960
    iainf72 wrote:
    Just posted in the transfers thread that Vaughters has said there is no truth to it.

    Ah yes - but wouldn't he have to say that until it is officially announced? Isn't that the way these things work?
  • stagehopper
    stagehopper Posts: 1,593
    the Guardian are only reporting that there are reports (though churlishly not naming the newspapers reporting it).

    One of those cheap, byline-free, filler stories they use to fill up space on the website.
    @stagehopper
  • avoidingmyphd
    avoidingmyphd Posts: 1,154
    is this all on hold until the announcement (today?) about whether sky get a pro tour licence?

    If I was Brad, I wouldn't be gambling on that.

    The cyclingnews story reports that contador has made it clear he intends to honour his astana deal. er, that's not entirely correct is it?
  • Dgh
    Dgh Posts: 180
    Garmin and Contador would get the best out of the deal.

    if AC wants to maximise his earnings, he needs to recognise that Garmin or Columbia are the teams for whom to ride. Going to Garmin would be a statement that he's clean.

    As for Wiggins, would love to be wrong but don't see him beating a healthy AC.
  • lucybears
    lucybears Posts: 366
    avoidingmyphd wrote:
    is this all on hold until the announcement (today?) about whether sky get a pro tour licence?

    If I was Brad, I wouldn't be gambling on that.

    UCI regulations limit the number of ProTour licenses issued per year to 20. Currently, 13 teams have existing licenses and with the withdrawal of Skil-Shimano's bid, seven are seeking renewal or new licenses.
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/skil-sh ... rotour-bid
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  • finchy
    finchy Posts: 6,686
    Dgh wrote:
    if AC wants to maximise his earnings, he needs to recognise that Garmin or Columbia are the teams for whom to ride. Going to Garmin would be a statement that he's clean.

    I believe that Garmin has one of the smallest budgets of all the top level teams - in the region of 5m euros. Columbia would be a better bet for the money. Maybe Caisse d'Epargne would be better for his GT chances.

    I don't think Contador really cares about whether people see him as clean or not.

    Remember his press conference, when he just refused to answer any questions related to doping?
  • kourou
    kourou Posts: 40
    lucybears wrote:
    avoidingmyphd wrote:
    is this all on hold until the announcement (today?) about whether sky get a pro tour licence?

    If I was Brad, I wouldn't be gambling on that.

    UCI regulations limit the number of ProTour licenses issued per year to 20. Currently, 13 teams have existing licenses and with the withdrawal of Skil-Shimano's bid, seven are seeking renewal or new licenses.
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/skil-sh ... rotour-bid

    This will presumably apply to other potential Sky team members who have not been announced such as Pauwels, who was accidentally confirmed by Geraint yesterday. Not only that, but presumably a lot of non-Sky transfers...

    The ProTour now looks 99% thanks to Skil-Shimano, which will have helped grease the bearings of the transfer market, and the announcement, whenever it comes, should get it moving.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,726
    Didn't Vaughters make a comment about Wiggin's media sponsorship value, being in the tens of millions?
    In which case, it could explain the 2 mill compensation figure.
    Can't believe GS are operating on just 5 mill.
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  • jim one
    jim one Posts: 183
    Garmin have a budget of €7.5million but they also had that new juice company come onboard as a co sponsor I think the other week, so that could be worth quite a bit extra for next year.
  • Le Commentateur
    Le Commentateur Posts: 4,099
    I don't think Contador will go to an English speaking team unless he's desperate.
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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,726
    Le Commentateur wrote:
    I don't think Contador will go to an English speaking team unless he's desperate.
    Disco, of course, conversed in "Double Dutch". :wink:
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  • LangerDan
    LangerDan Posts: 6,132
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    Didn't Vaughters make a comment about Wiggin's media sponsorship value, being in the tens of millions?
    In which case, it could explain the 2 mill compensation figure.
    Can't believe GS are operating on just 5 mill.


    Vaughters comes out with the sort of "self-valuations" that you'd expect to see on Dragons Den. I think he's recently claimed that the teams exposure value is close on $100 million.
    Just because the Mirror / Guardian have said that JV is looking for 2 million doesn't mean he won't be happy to go home with half that sum in his arse pocket. Its just a negotiating position


    What are the odds on Sky riding Shimano next year in return for Skil pulling their PT bid?
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  • Dgh
    Dgh Posts: 180
    I believe that Garmin has one of the smallest budgets of all the top level teams - in the region of 5m euros. Columbia would be a better bet for the money. Maybe Caisse d'Epargne would be better for his GT chances.

    I don't think Contador really cares about whether people see him as clean or not.

    Remember his press conference, when he just refused to answer any questions related to doping?

    Was thinking more about maximising his earning potential for income outside team salary - personal endorsements, etc. Of course, he may not care about that. But if he does, Garmin or Columbia (who don't seem interested) and the ones with whom to go.

    Unfortnately the ambiente in Spanish cycling at the moment is either in denial about doping, or convinced that everyone is doing it. Either way, they just don't seem to think it's a big deal. [/quote]
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    Le Commentateur wrote:
    I don't think Contador will go to an English speaking team unless he's desperate.

    What's the problem with an English speaking team as opposed to a team that uses another language. Pretty international groups of guys on most of the teams. They come from all over. I don't see a team as being "bad" for anyone strictly because of language.
    And besides, there's always "THE MONEY" to make up for all the terrible things those English speaking teams are known for. :wink::wink:
  • Pokerface
    Pokerface Posts: 7,960
    dennisn wrote:
    Le Commentateur wrote:
    I don't think Contador will go to an English speaking team unless he's desperate.

    What's the problem with an English speaking team as opposed to a team that uses another language.

    Because he's Spanish and would prefer to ride with a group of Spanish riders probably!


    it's not fun being the only non-english speaker at the dinner table. (And I know he DOES actually speak English - but not as well as he does Spanish).


    It's a comfort thing.
  • gabriel959
    gabriel959 Posts: 4,227
    I am Spanish and don't mind being surrounded by english t**ts all the bloody time!!! :twisted: :lol::wink:
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  • Pokerface
    Pokerface Posts: 7,960
    gabriel959 wrote:
    I am Spanish and don't mind being surrounded by english t**ts all the bloody time!!! :twisted: :lol::wink:

    And yet, 'we' find ourselves wishing you would p•ss off back to Spain! :lol: :P
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,667
    How dare you call us tarts!
  • georgee
    georgee Posts: 537
    English speaking semi - pro's for years put up with the likes of being the only english speakers on international teams, whether it be the ACBB or any of the international squads. not perfect but others in the past managed to 'man up'.
  • graeme_s-2
    graeme_s-2 Posts: 3,382
    georgee wrote:
    English speaking semi - pro's for years put up with the likes of being the only english speakers on international teams, whether it be the ACBB or any of the international squads. not perfect but others in the past managed to 'man up'.

    Contador's in a position where he can insist the entire team speaks Klingon if he wants to. He's not some guy trying to break into the pro ranks for the first time is he?
  • Pokerface
    Pokerface Posts: 7,960
    Graeme_S wrote:
    georgee wrote:
    English speaking semi - pro's for years put up with the likes of being the only english speakers on international teams, whether it be the ACBB or any of the international squads. not perfect but others in the past managed to 'man up'.

    Contador's in a position where he can insist the entire team speaks Klingon if he wants to.

    How well did that work for him at Astana?
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,726
    Bertie has just been speaking English on Spanish tv.........
    His body language says he knows more than he's telling.
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  • Arkibal
    Arkibal Posts: 850
    Le Commentateur wrote:
    I don't think Contador will go to an English speaking team unless he's desperate.

    This is hilarious, Discovery was an English speaking team.
  • Arkibal
    Arkibal Posts: 850
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    Bertie has just been speaking English on Spanish tv.........
    His body language says he knows more than he's telling.

    Care to elaborate? Why did he speak English on Spanish Tv?
  • Le Commentateur
    Le Commentateur Posts: 4,099
    Arkibal wrote:
    Le Commentateur wrote:
    I don't think Contador will go to an English speaking team unless he's desperate.

    This is hilarious, Discovery was an English speaking team.

    I'm just basing it on what he said 6 weeks ago.
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Le Commentateur wrote:
    Arkibal wrote:
    Le Commentateur wrote:
    I don't think Contador will go to an English speaking team unless he's desperate.

    This is hilarious, Discovery was an English speaking team.

    I'm just basing it on what he said 6 weeks ago.

    It was reported in l'Equipe that he didn't want to go to an Anglo team.
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  • tomb8555
    tomb8555 Posts: 229
    It was said on the ITV4 commentary of ToB today that Wiggins was going to Sky....... ......... but that doesn't necessarily give it much validity
  • The Prodigy
    The Prodigy Posts: 832
    tomb8555 wrote:
    It was said on the ITV4 commentary of ToB today that Wiggins was going to Sky....... ......... but that doesn't necessarily give it much validity

    I dunno thats it now, set in stone. Bertie to Garmin. All sewn up.

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