Ay Up light output

Kovacs

First time post at BIke Radar. Am looking at a set of Ay Up lights for my Orbea. I am aware the lightset is a double and the quoted output is around 340 lumens. This will probably sound stupid (and feel free to say so) but is that output per individual light or the total output of the two lights? Any info appreciated.

Aguila

Total for the two. I was going to buy some too but put off by the Aus only shop, didn't realise I'd be stung for import duty and VAT too (adds about £25 to the price) then there's the £25 delivery. Plus the battery pack is a pain. Just bought this:

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/cycle/7/Expos ... 360032326/


It is awesome, 460 lumens, good runtime, no battery pack. the 2010 version (basically the same) has just won the C+ light test at £245. £70 off at wiggle at the mo, bargain.

chuckcork

Aguila wrote:

Total for the two. I was going to buy some too but put off by the Aus only shop, didn't realise I'd be stung for import duty and VAT too (adds about £25 to the price) then there's the £25 delivery. Plus the battery pack is a pain. Just bought this:

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/cycle/7/Expos ... 360032326/


It is awesome, 460 lumens, good runtime, no battery pack. the 2010 version (basically the same) has just won the C+ light test at £245. £70 off at wiggle at the mo, bargain.

You'll also likely pay duty and vat on the delivery as well.... :?

monkeycowboy

Or get a "SSC P7 900 lumen" for about £40

http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtop ... ts&start=0

justrideallday

I brought the ay up v4 adventure kit and they are brilliant. I cant complain about the output - they give out more than enough light to ride at full pace.

Ordeing form Austrailia wasn't a problem for me. I ordered on a thursday evening (3rd sept) and got them on the monday (7th sept) and didn't pay customs or import duty, i dont know why - they were just delivered like any order form the UK.

Hope that helps

supersonic

MonkeyCowboy wrote:

Or get a "SSC P7 900 lumen" for about £40

http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtop ... ts&start=0

Which is what I'd do. Not 900 lumens, more like 500 or so, but the MID mode on the 5 mode will give a steady good output for 4 hours. Gives a decent flood.

I got my torch, charger and two batteries for about £35

chrissturch

Aguila wrote:

Total for the two. I was going to buy some too but put off by the Aus only shop, didn't realise I'd be stung for import duty and VAT too (adds about £25 to the price) then there's the £25 delivery. Plus the battery pack is a pain. Just bought this:

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/cycle/7/Expos ... 360032326/


It is awesome, 460 lumens, good runtime, no battery pack. the 2010 version (basically the same) has just won the C+ light test at £245. £70 off at wiggle at the mo, bargain.

The total for the two is 680 lumens. The 340 is per light unit. I am looking at getting some so emailed them direct. They respond really quick in the evening as the time difference means they are at work. Also they have just change their website to include all taxes, duty and customs fees in the price. Its now £287.50 + postage which is about £23. I'll be ordering a set come pay-day.

Aguila

chrissturch wrote:

Aguila wrote:

Total for the two. I was going to buy some too but put off by the Aus only shop, didn't realise I'd be stung for import duty and VAT too (adds about £25 to the price) then there's the £25 delivery. Plus the battery pack is a pain. Just bought this:

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/cycle/7/Expos ... 360032326/


It is awesome, 460 lumens, good runtime, no battery pack. the 2010 version (basically the same) has just won the C+ light test at £245. £70 off at wiggle at the mo, bargain.

The total for the two is 680 lumens. The 340 is per light unit. I am looking at getting some so emailed them direct. They respond really quick in the evening as the time difference means they are at work. Also they have just change their website to include all taxes, duty and customs fees in the price. Its now £287.50 + postage which is about £23. I'll be ordering a set come pay-day.

£300+, you must be crazy!! They are supposed to be good but that's way too much money. I got my exposure race maxx 2 for half that, it has no cumbersome battery pack and an incredible amount of output.

chrissturch

It is a hell of a lot of money, but thats also for 2 lights. I have looked at the race maxx and other lights, but they are all roughly £200, and thats just for one. I haven't got any lights at all, so I want one for the handlebars and one for my helmet. This seems to be the cheapest way to get 2 good lights. I have read a lot of people raving about the cheap chinese ones for about £50, but I just don't trust them.
Also, the batteries can hardly be described as cumbersome. They are the size of a small mobile phone, and total weight with the light unit is only about 170g.

cougie

A lot of people have used the 'cheap chinese lights' for a year or more now - you can trust them. You could buy a bucket load for the price you're paying here !

monkeycowboy

And the LEDs that they all use come from the same semicon fabs (SSC = Seoul Semiconductors, hardly Chinese!). The reflectrors, casing, batteries etc are where the differences lie.. but solders, solder, an orings an oring?The batteries for SSC type torches are $10 for 2, you can get a fair few of these and replace as they die after their natural life. The only down fall I can see with the torches is the beam pattern/reflector as its designed to give a direct beam without any trimming/adjustment for other road users.

Its a bit like your flat panel TV's the screens are all supplied by a limited number of fabs, same tools and processes used, then shipped of for tweaking, casing and branding.

Biscuiteer

Aguila wrote:

chrissturch wrote:

Aguila wrote:

Total for the two. I was going to buy some too but put off by the Aus only shop, didn't realise I'd be stung for import duty and VAT too (adds about £25 to the price) then there's the £25 delivery. Plus the battery pack is a pain. Just bought this:

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/cycle/7/Expos ... 360032326/


It is awesome, 460 lumens, good runtime, no battery pack. the 2010 version (basically the same) has just won the C+ light test at £245. £70 off at wiggle at the mo, bargain.

The total for the two is 680 lumens. The 340 is per light unit. I am looking at getting some so emailed them direct. They respond really quick in the evening as the time difference means they are at work. Also they have just change their website to include all taxes, duty and customs fees in the price. Its now £287.50 + postage which is about £23. I'll be ordering a set come pay-day.

£300+, you must be crazy!! They are supposed to be good but that's way too much money. I got my exposure race maxx 2 for half that, it has no cumbersome battery pack and an incredible amount of output.

That's the price for the adventure kit which has two sets of ayups (two pairs of lights) though. the basic kit is much cheaper and bulk buy options with free shipping and discounts look more attractive if you can find several other people who want a set - though I'm not sure what would happen with warranty issues as warranties aren't transferable

chrissturch

They're not exactly the same LED's. They come from the same factory but they are different grades. The cheap ones are grade C and the Ay ups are grade D, which is better. Also the ay ups aren't over volted like every other one seems to be. They run them at the design volt so that they don't get hot. That is why their light is tiny, and all the other lights have a big case and cooling fins, or in the case of the cheap ones they just get hot. There is no way they will last as long as they are under too much strain.
And when I called them the 'cheap chinese ones', I didn't mean that in a bad way, its just that they are unbranded so I couldn't say their brand name and it was a way to describe them. It obviously worked as you all knew which ones I was talking about.

jimmcdonnell

All the "my fourpenny Far Eastern LED torch is much better than your £hundreds fancy-dan lights" piety is a bit like being doorstepped by Witnesses or Mormons - well done you for having an opinion but don't try to convert everyone else to it?

If anyone wants to spend £300 on a set of lights then hoorah for them. If you enjoy a good £7 bargain, hoorah for you. All the better/different/A grade/D grade blah blah is just a pi$$ing competition.

Different strokes for different folks, end of story. Grown ups are entitled to make informed choices, whether it means desperately looking for a bargain (these are financially hard times, fair enough) or just lashing out on a satisfying shiny thing and damn the torpedoes as far as cost is concerned.

cougie

I agree - choice is up to the individual - but its the informed choice that's important. A lot of people haven't even heard of the torch option.
There are a lot of riders very grateful that they were informed about them here.

daniel_b

I have the AYUP's from way back when, well very nearly 2 years ago to be precise, and they have been fantastic, and still are.

One battery went haywire, but they replaced that no bother.

Mine ended up costing about £200 for the MTB set, not sure I would spend 50% more on the same thing now though.

Am very tempted to supplement my setup with some of the offerings from deal extreme.

Dan