Bloody work shy postal workers

doog442

privatise the lot

why did we ever get early post for all of those years ? because the posties could go home straight after the round...work for 6 hours..paid for 8 :evil:

the bosses suddenly called there bluff and told them to work the WHOLE EIGHT HOURS.....oh bugger me , now sorting the post takes a whole lot longer now that we dont get off until we have worked the WHOLE shift...

If a private company were contracted to deliver letters before 8am it would happen

break the union / and or privatise and give the country a service 21st century Britain needs

Porgy

doog442 wrote:

privatise the lot

why did we ever get early post for all of those years ? because the posties could go home straight after the round...work for 6 hours..paid for 8 :evil:

the bosses suddenly called there bluff and told them to work the WHOLE EIGHT HOURS.....oh bugger me , now sorting the post takes a whole lot longer now that we dont get off until we have worked the WHOLE shift...

If a private company were contracted to deliver letters before 8am it would happen

break the union / and or privatise and give the country a service 21st century Britain needs

yeah - cos everything has worked better after privatisation hasn't it? :roll:

Porgy

Splottboy wrote:

Without a doubt, RM workers, not Management, work under stressful circumstances.

Vans break down, dogs attack, people pester you for their Dole cheques, weekends off are almost non-existent. One Xmas we were in at 4.30am, to get all your biking kit to you...

Tell you what, you try a deliver something over 100 miles for around 50p!

I think everyone should be made to be a postie for a fortnight - a sort of national service to shut the whingers up. I have utmost admiration for anyone who can do this job - not somehting I want to ever have to do again.

You're right about the vicious dogs (someone didn;t get a letter for a week becasue of their dog), local busibodies and spies complaining - I had to wear a ridiculous armband which stopped me bending my arm - so i took it off - got spotted taking it off and reported to my boss. And some people are complete shitheads - so they didn;t get any letters either once i'd sussed them.


sir! I commend you!

hells

End of the day you chose the job, you knew the pay and the hours needed to work, you knew that people have large items posted to them. Your not the only one to work shitty hours, I'm a medic and work 12-14 hour shifts 4-6 times per week, i get 5 weekends off per year and often carry people weighing much more then my 8 stone self. However I chose this and accept it if I hated it so much I would leave. I had a look at average postie wages and it said 15k I earn 17k plus london waiting, you only earn 2k less per year than me, I save lives, you deliver mail I think your pay is adequate for the skills needed to do the job and the job role. My opinion is that anything owned by the government that provides a service to the public should not be able to go on strike, royal mail included.

roger_merriman

hells wrote:

End of the day you chose the job, you knew the pay and the hours needed to work, you knew that people have large items posted to them. Your not the only one to work shitty hours, I'm a medic and work 12-14 hour shifts 4-6 times per week, i get 5 weekends off per year and often carry people weighing much more then my 8 stone self. However I chose this and accept it if I hated it so much I would leave. I had a look at average postie wages and it said 15k I earn 17k plus london waiting, you only earn 2k less per year than me, I save lives, you deliver mail I think your pay is adequate for the skills needed to do the job and the job role. My opinion is that anything owned by the government that provides a service to the public should not be able to go on strike, royal mail included.

the job has changed in nature and feel, it's moved from service to company, in terms of rate of pay, sad but true that medical/support staff tend not to be well paid, I'm on the same rate of pay now, in the care field as I was lugging post around. which matters the most? the care, in terms of phyical job the post by a massive margin lifting even a very heavy bloke is not the same as carrying mail for hours. not even in the same ball park frankly.

Splottboy

Yeah, we KNEW we had to deliver large objects, it stands to reason, that's what we do!
But, we don't KNOW when you're in!
My great grandmother, Madam Toleda, Palmist and Fortune teller couldn't predict this!!!
We deliver to house/homes, not people. House/homes don't move, people do...
Average posties don't make 15k or so. Most are now on 20hr per week contracts, with almost compulsory O/Time.

We got one lad - married/kids - who's on ONE HOUR PER WEEK contract!
He had to accept it or his dole would end, though he does get about 15 per week +.

My Mrs works 12 hrs too, Night Nurse Practioner.Has done 4 yrs. Doesn't moan...much.
As far a striking goes, workers won this RIGHT years ago, many died for it too.
Leaving a job you hate is great, if there's another to go to. I worked in the City too, where jobs are plenty. But here, N.Wales, it's tourism/farming, all seasonal.
Everyone loves coming for their Hol's, but slags it off after they go home..
I chose to live here after 9 yrs in London, 2 IRA bombs and a last season ticket of £3,000.

Porgy

hells wrote:

End of the day you chose the job, you knew the pay and the hours needed to work, you knew that people have large items posted to them. .

it's a bit childish isn't - all the cries of "my job is shittier than yours so shut up"
i'd hate to think that because tiny portion of people in this country are willing to work for peanuts then we all have to. Utlimately, I worry that when the post office has sunk to its lowest it'll nly be able to employ low-life scumbags who will steal or dump the mail. It's happening already.

We can do this in all the trades f you like, and then nothing will work anymore, and we can all have a good old moan about the "scumbags" who steal our mail, etc.

Then we can all get into debt, suffer high stress and die aged 46.

You'd have more people to save too. That would good eh?

This is how working people tear each other apart and let the bankers who contribute f*ck all to anything earn millions and retire at 26. Are bankers more worthy than you? It sounds like theymight be based on your flawed arguments.

anyway you're worng so shut the fuck up - I do't care about your private hell - if I was in charge you'd ge a £40,0000 a year salary and that wopuld be the end of it - postal workers would get less than £40,000 and bankers would be hung. :evil:

AndyManc

hells wrote:

End of the day you chose the job, you knew the pay and the hours needed to work, you knew that people have large items posted to them. Your not the only one to work shitty hours, I'm a medic and work 12-14 hour shifts 4-6 times per week, i get 5 weekends off per year and often carry people weighing much more then my 8 stone self. However I chose this and accept it if I hated it so much I would leave. I had a look at average postie wages and it said 15k I earn 17k plus london waiting, you only earn 2k less per year than me, I save lives, you deliver mail I think your pay is adequate for the skills needed to do the job and the job role. My opinion is that anything owned by the government that provides a service to the public should not be able to go on strike, royal mail included.

Talk about right-wing reactionary bulls***.

First of all, you are working in contravention of European working time directives and I suspect in breach of numerous health and safety regulation, people like you always are, those regulations are there to protect the worker and those he/she comes in contact with.

Secondly, I don't place your job higher than my bin man, both occupations keep the 'system' (however corrupt) running, irrespective of skills or training both are essential and many argue that pay should reflect this.

It’s a human right of all workers to withdraw labour (with the known exceptions) and any person that promotes otherwise is clearly at odds with the trade union movement across the world and all sane individuals.


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doog442

AndyManc wrote:

hells wrote:

It’s a human right of all workers to withdraw labour (with the known exceptions) and any person that promotes otherwise is clearly at odds with the trade union movement across the world and all sane individuals.

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with the known exceptions :roll:

How can you spoute "its a human right" and "exceptions" in the same sentence

are you saying the exceptions arent entitled to human rights (and we know who we are talking about dont we)

tailwindhome

doog442 wrote:

privatise the lot


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If a private company were contracted to deliver letters before 8am it would happen

Would it?

AndyManc

doog442 wrote:

AndyManc wrote:

hells wrote:

It’s a human right of all workers to withdraw labour (with the known exceptions) and any person that promotes otherwise is clearly at odds with the trade union movement across the world and all sane individuals.

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with the known exceptions :roll:

How can you spoute "its a human right" and "exceptions" in the same sentence

are you saying the exceptions arent entitled to human rights (and we know who we are talking about dont we)

Human rights in the army ?

We know how this government treats the armed forces, they are cannon fodder , given inadequate resources and lied to.

They can't exactly 'down tools' , there should be a system in place to vent their grievances , there probably is one , but it will be a paper exercise.

Wasn't there a recent court case that found a failure to provide correct equipment did indeed breach their human rights.

As for the police, if they went on strike serious disorder would ensue with loss of human life, again, there should be machinery in place to tackle issues raised so they have no need to take industrial action.


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tailwindhome

AndyManc wrote:

As for the police, if they went on strike serious disorder would ensue with loss of human life, again, there should be machinery in place to tackle issues raised so they have no need to take industrial action.

There is, but Jacqui Smith shafted them

dilemna

My package from CRC was delivered by an RM manager today. He turned up at 3:30pm. He had one of those hi-viz gilets on with the word MANAGER in big bold black capitals on the back. Normal delivery time for a saturday is about 9:30am by Rolf Harris. Anyway I thanked him for my lights which I have been waiting for 3 days, then told him he was running late which he didn't appreciate.

hells

First of all I didnt say I live in a private hell, I like my job and fully accept all the shit and all the good that goes with it. I was making a comparrison between one government employee and another, your wages for what you do are fine. As others have said if you want another example of pay for a goverment employee than look at the pay of the private soldier and what he/she has to do for that pay and see that you are earning just fine. It is not acceptable for anything owned by the government and funded by the tax payer to strike in my opinion and doing so in the recession is hardly going to win you support.

roger_merriman

doog442 wrote:

privatise the lot

why did we ever get early post for all of those years ? because the posties could go home straight after the round...work for 6 hours..paid for 8 :evil:

the bosses suddenly called there bluff and told them to work the WHOLE EIGHT HOURS.....oh bugger me , now sorting the post takes a whole lot longer now that we dont get off until we have worked the WHOLE shift...

If a private company were contracted to deliver letters before 8am it would happen

break the union / and or privatise and give the country a service 21st century Britain needs

so how do you plan to deliver by 8am? mail volumes at least in the final mile have gone up year on year.

your not suposed to deliver before 7am so you've got to squeeze 3 in to 1, good luck.

yes posties used to finish early, they also came in early, close on 2 hours in some cases. and they also finish late.