Dura Ace 7800 is this a good price

benjboy
benjboy Posts: 258
edited December 2009 in Road buying advice
Merlin cycles are selling 7800 group set for £699.99.Is this a good deal plus JE James are selling the same for £799.99.Dont know what to do or should i go for the 7900 for £999.99.Help please :roll:
Keep the chain tight all the way.

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  • nferrar
    nferrar Posts: 2,511
    Well personally if I could stretch to 7900 I would, there's a few worthy improvements (lever design the most notable). If not then 7800 is still nice kit.
  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,788
    I'm looking for a new groupset and I've had 7800 for 5 years or so. I'm more tempted by SRAM Force (2010) or even even new Ultegra (hidden cables etc) or I'll wait 'til the new season to see the 7900 prices.
    http://cyclinganddesign.blogspot.fr/
  • mrushton
    mrushton Posts: 5,182
    A quick caveat is be careful if trying to mix old and new. I was going to get the new Ultega shifters (carbon levers,v.nice) but was told bu the importers that I also require a new front mech and brakes!!!! Something to do with the cable pull. So the price of upgrade went from £250 to £400 just like that
    M.Rushton
  • term1te
    term1te Posts: 1,462
    mrushton wrote:
    A quick caveat is be careful if trying to mix old and new. I was going to get the new Ultega shifters (carbon levers,v.nice) but was told bu the importers that I also require a new front mech and brakes!!!! Something to do with the cable pull. So the price of upgrade went from £250 to £400 just like that

    Is this right? I can possible imagine that the front mech may not work perfectly with the new shifters, but the brakes? Do you think the importers are after extra sales?

    My current Ulterga shifters are looking a bit tired after several bumps and tumbles and was thinking of going the same route some time next year
    The Master
    The Moser
    The VN
  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,788
    I heard that the new ones have a different ratio of pull so it could be right. I guess they'll 'work' just not as well as they should. By the time you've bought shifters, brakes and mech you're better off buying the groupset.
    http://cyclinganddesign.blogspot.fr/
  • fast as fupp
    fast as fupp Posts: 2,277
    sram red is £999 at merlin and vastly superior to dura ace- or campag chorus @ £780
    'dont forget lads, one evertonian is worth twenty kopites'
  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,788
    sram red is £999 at merlin and vastly superior to dura ace- or campag chorus @ £780
    but Force is £250 cheaper and very similar (2010 model). I here Red is a bit fiddly and fragile compared to DA. Nice though.
    http://cyclinganddesign.blogspot.fr/
  • mrushton
    mrushton Posts: 5,182
    inseine wrote:
    I heard that the new ones have a different ratio of pull so it could be right. I guess they'll 'work' just not as well as they should. By the time you've bought shifters, brakes and mech you're better off buying the groupset.

    That's it. Ratio of pull. I guess it's like using v-brake levers that pull more cable. Personally,I think it's a scam but the manufacturers are pushing this whole buy the group/replace the group scenario. Bet they have some combined bb/chainset where you have to ditch the lot or even better, everything integrated into the frame so get a new bike :x
    M.Rushton
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    fast as fupp wrote:
    sram red is £999 at merlin and vastly superior to dura ace- or campag chorus @ £780

    "....vastly superior......"???? I'm gonna be a real *sshole and ask just how you came about that proclamation. If it's your opinion say so, but to spread misinformation is just plain bad. "...vastly superior..... "??? Get real. How is it "vastly superior"??? Does it make you go faster? Does it shift better? Does it last longer? Does it brake better? C'mon,
    tell me what's so "vastly" about it. I don't think you know. Do you? See, told ya I was gonna be an *sshole. Here we have someone writing in asking a real question and you come off with some outlandish statement like that. :roll: :roll:
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    dennisn wrote:
    fast as fupp wrote:
    sram red is £999 at merlin and vastly superior to dura ace- or campag chorus @ £780

    "....vastly superior......"???? I'm gonna be a real *sshole and ask just how you came about that proclamation. If it's your opinion say so, but to spread misinformation is just plain bad. "...vastly superior..... "??? Get real. How is it "vastly superior"??? Does it make you go faster? Does it shift better? Does it last longer? Does it brake better? C'mon,
    tell me what's so "vastly" about it. I don't think you know. Do you? See, told ya I was gonna be an *sshole. Here we have someone writing in asking a real question and you come off with some outlandish statement like that. :roll: :roll:

    And to add - Yes, it is a good price unless you can find it cheaper(of course) and it's what you want. Key words being "what you want".
  • benjboy
    benjboy Posts: 258
    Cheers eveybody I thought about sram but my gut is telling me 7800.You can not beat that price i think, been looking a while now.Going to go with JE JamesCheers again :wink:
    Keep the chain tight all the way.
  • fast as fupp
    fast as fupp Posts: 2,277
    dennisn wrote:
    fast as fupp wrote:
    sram red is £999 at merlin and vastly superior to dura ace- or campag chorus @ £780

    "....vastly superior......"???? I'm gonna be a real *sshole and ask just how you came about that proclamation. If it's your opinion say so, but to spread misinformation is just plain bad. "...vastly superior..... "??? Get real. How is it "vastly superior"??? Does it make you go faster? Does it shift better? Does it last longer? Does it brake better? C'mon,
    tell me what's so "vastly" about it. I don't think you know. Do you? See, told ya I was gonna be an *sshole. Here we have someone writing in asking a real question and you come off with some outlandish statement like that. :roll: :roll:

    lighter, the sti's dont have a load of gubbins exposed to the elements and the rear mechs dont fall apart

    dont ask me ask the pro teams who ditched 7900 for red or went back to using 7800 as it was more relaible (thor hushovd for instance)

    dont blow a gasket dannis! :shock:
    'dont forget lads, one evertonian is worth twenty kopites'
  • fast as fupp
    fast as fupp Posts: 2,277
    benjboy wrote:
    Cheers eveybody I thought about sram but my gut is telling me 7800.You can not beat that price i think, been looking a while now.Going to go with JE JamesCheers again :wink:

    7800 is a good choice but why pay £100 more @ j e james?
    'dont forget lads, one evertonian is worth twenty kopites'
  • fast as fupp
    fast as fupp Posts: 2,277
    dennisn wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    fast as fupp wrote:
    sram red is £999 at merlin and vastly superior to dura ace- or campag chorus @ £780

    "....vastly superior......"???? I'm gonna be a real *sshole and ask just how you came about that proclamation. If it's your opinion say so, but to spread misinformation is just plain bad. "...vastly superior..... "??? Get real. How is it "vastly superior"??? Does it make you go faster? Does it shift better? Does it last longer? Does it brake better? C'mon,
    tell me what's so "vastly" about it. I don't think you know. Do you? See, told ya I was gonna be an *sshole. Here we have someone writing in asking a real question and you come off with some outlandish statement like that. :roll: :roll:

    And to add - Yes, it is a good price unless you can find it cheaper(of course) and it's what you want. Key words being "what you want".


    oh and 7900 looks really horrid! :x
    'dont forget lads, one evertonian is worth twenty kopites'
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    fast as fupp wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    fast as fupp wrote:
    sram red is £999 at merlin and vastly superior to dura ace- or campag chorus @ £780

    "....vastly superior......"???? I'm gonna be a real *sshole and ask just how you came about that proclamation. If it's your opinion say so, but to spread misinformation is just plain bad. "...vastly superior..... "??? Get real. How is it "vastly superior"??? Does it make you go faster? Does it shift better? Does it last longer? Does it brake better? C'mon,
    tell me what's so "vastly" about it. I don't think you know. Do you? See, told ya I was gonna be an *sshole. Here we have someone writing in asking a real question and you come off with some outlandish statement like that. :roll: :roll:

    lighter, the sti's dont have a load of gubbins exposed to the elements and the rear mechs dont fall apart

    dont ask me ask the pro teams who ditched 7900 for red or went back to using 7800 as it was more relaible (thor hushovd for instance)

    dont blow a gasket dannis! :shock:

    I'm unimpressed with your synopsis. Let's see a show of hands from ALL of the people who have had Shimano rear mechs "fall apart". As for "lighter" let's see another show of hands from anyone who cares or thinks it makes a difference in anything. Let's see now,
    I think someone won the TDF 7 straight times on DA, but that only proves it's junk. As for don't blow a gasket, jeez, a guy writes in asking if a DA7800 price is good and you come
    on like some PRO rider, know it all, telling him that this or that is no good because Thor H.
    switched back for whatever reason and Sram got some exposure on this years tour. So
    I blew a gasket??? Think before you hit SUBMIT.
  • fast as fupp
    fast as fupp Posts: 2,277
    wind yer neck in hank
    'dont forget lads, one evertonian is worth twenty kopites'
  • benjboy
    benjboy Posts: 258
    Merlin did not have any stock left :( .So JE James it was,again big thank you to all of you for your advice and opinions.Be safe out there...
    Keep the chain tight all the way.
  • The Hedgehog
    The Hedgehog Posts: 169
    bit of an extreme reaction mr dennisn. you having a bad day?
  • fast as fupp
    fast as fupp Posts: 2,277
    The Hedgehog wrote:
    bit of an extreme reaction mr dennisn. you having a bad day?

    maybe its the date?

    hes normally an avuncular chap :shock:
    'dont forget lads, one evertonian is worth twenty kopites'
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    The Hedgehog wrote:
    bit of an extreme reaction mr dennisn. you having a bad day?

    Not really. Well, maybe a bit to much caffeine. It's just that, on occasion, some people
    seem to write in with totally unfounded "words of wisdom"(for lack of a better description) about bicycle parts. I mean really, rear mechs falling apart? Vastly superior??
    Sometimes I just feel the need to say "what a load of......". Nothing personal. Just challenging him in no uncertain terms.
  • fast as fupp
    fast as fupp Posts: 2,277
    i feel thoroughly challenged now :(
    'dont forget lads, one evertonian is worth twenty kopites'
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    fast as fupp wrote:
    i feel thoroughly challenged now :(

    So tell us about the thousands of busted rear shifters you've encountered. And how a lighter Group set will help you win races.
  • juggler
    juggler Posts: 262
    i have 7800 on one of my bikes and it's really good, unfortunatley the price has gone up considerably oin the last year, so even 699, is above what you would have paid 12 months back. But it;s a really good piece of kit in mho.

    As to 7900, not riden it myself, but there are persistant rumours that some pro riders might prefer 7800 over 7900 (substantiated by some pro bikes still sporting 7800 componens), and i have first hand opinion to this effect as well from someone whomake his living from riding a bike.

    For me the 7800 chainset looks cooler than the 7900 and i really like the chunky handholds.... you pays you money...
  • fast as fupp
    fast as fupp Posts: 2,277
    dennisn wrote:
    fast as fupp wrote:
    i feel thoroughly challenged now :(

    So tell us about the thousands of busted rear shifters you've encountered. And how a lighter Group set will help you win races.

    theyre everywhere dude!

    shimano is made of cheese!
    'dont forget lads, one evertonian is worth twenty kopites'
  • joshposh
    joshposh Posts: 673
    Shimano Rules!! End off!
  • mrushton
    mrushton Posts: 5,182
    Didn't rule the TdF podium in 2009 :wink:

    Who cares? It's a gear shift system. As long as it works for you and it's reliable then that's what matters. Somone I know gets SRAM Red for free but uses the next one down if he has to pay for it. He can't tell the difference in action.
    M.Rushton
  • JohnnyAllez
    JohnnyAllez Posts: 785
    mrushton wrote:
    A quick caveat is be careful if trying to mix old and new. I was going to get the new Ultega shifters (carbon levers,v.nice) but was told bu the importers that I also require a new front mech and brakes!!!! Something to do with the cable pull. So the price of upgrade went from £250 to £400 just like that

    for info......

    I`ve got 6700 levers pulling on older 105 brakes, they may have different "cable pull ratios" but mine work fine. The front mech will work with anything, it doesn`t "know" what it`s being pulled by, or how far, so it just works. As long as the H and L screws are set right it works fine. The 6700 chainset has chainrings set 1mm further apart, but in reality the 6700 shifters and mech work fine with the older (slightly narrower) chainsets without drama, the shifters have a "trim" feature on them, maybe this makes them less critical to set up?? Mine work fine anyway. :)

    And they look neat with totally covered cable runs on the `bars :wink:
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