Derren Brown

pb21

Anyone see the Derren Brown thing last night?

Obviously he didn’t Choose the numbers beforehand so how did he do it? He was behaving somewhat strange and some of his actions were too but thats all I know!

I think he is a very clever man.

Allez Mark

There's lots of different theories on tinternet about how he did it. He said he will tell all on his programme on Friday.

pb21

Allez Mark wrote:

There's lots of different theories on tinternet about how he did it. He said he will tell all on his programme on Friday.

Yeah, some good ones out there such as time travel, trained ants/pixies. Personally the most likely one I have heard so far is mind bullets.

mask of sanity

Maybe a similar way that he did the betting one. Had a load of pre-recorded chosen numbers and just showed the one that was the same or most similar to the numbers that came up... Time consuming but I reckon he would do it...

afx237vi

mask of sanity wrote:

Maybe a similar way that he did the betting one. Had a load of pre-recorded chosen numbers and just showed the one that was the same or most similar to the numbers that came up... Time consuming but I reckon he would do it...

He'd need 16 million combination for the lottery!

mask of sanity

afx237vi wrote:

mask of sanity wrote:

Maybe a similar way that he did the betting one. Had a load of pre-recorded chosen numbers and just showed the one that was the same or most similar to the numbers that came up... Time consuming but I reckon he would do it...

He'd need 16 million combination for the lottery!

I'm not saying he used all the combinations, just a few (although would still need to be a lot!!) and chose the one most similar to the actual numbers. But given that he was prepared to toss a coin until he got ten consecutive heads I reckon he has the patience to film a lot of combinations! He kept talking about how it might not be correct so maybe he was saying that to cover himself as he knew he only had a selection of combinations.

cee

mask of sanity wrote:

afx237vi wrote:

mask of sanity wrote:

Maybe a similar way that he did the betting one. Had a load of pre-recorded chosen numbers and just showed the one that was the same or most similar to the numbers that came up... Time consuming but I reckon he would do it...

He'd need 16 million combination for the lottery!

I'm not saying he used all the combinations, just a few (although would still need to be a lot!!) and chose the one most similar to the actual numbers. But given that he was prepared to toss a coin until he got ten consecutive heads I reckon he has the patience to film a lot of combinations! He kept talking about how it might not be correct so maybe he was saying that to cover himself as he knew he only had a selection of combinations.

thing is...the ten heads in a row thing isn't that much of a statistical anomoly at all.....

I used to be a casino croupier......dealing roulette.......numbers are 0-36.....I honestly cannot tell you how many times i have seen a number being hit 2 and 3 times in a row....most i saw was 6 in a row (not by me)......guess how quickly that particular dealer got their next break??

STEFANOS4784

Derren Brown-moron control

pedylan

I didn't see Wed show but did see his explanation show last night.

Except it wasn't an explanation was it? It was b*llsh*t. He claims he got a group of people; showed them previous weeks' numbers and asked them to predict this week's on the basis of numbers drawn previously. He then averaged their guesses to arrive at the numbers that would come up this week.

Which is of course baloney. He gave as a supporting example a crowd making individual guesses of a bullock's weight and the average of their guesses being spot on.

There's no relation between guessing a weight of a bullock and guessing which of a random sequence of numbers will be next if you know which numbers have already appeared.

So that leaves only one question. How did he bl**dy do it. :evil:

downfader

pedylan wrote:

I didn't see Wed show but did see his explanation show last night.

Except it wasn't an explanation was it? It was b*llsh*t. He claims he got a group of people; showed them previous weeks' numbers and asked them to predict this week's on the basis of numbers drawn previously. He then averaged their guesses to arrive at the numbers that would come up this week.

Which is of course baloney. He gave as a supporting example a crowd making individual guesses of a bullock's weight and the average of their guesses being spot on.

There's no relation between guessing a weight of a bullock and guessing which of a random sequence of numbers will be next if you know which numbers have already appeared.

So that leaves only one question. How did he bl**dy do it. :evil:

He didnt have to. Have you considered that. He never showed the balls to the 24 people before saturday for a start.

Most likely answer would be either the balls on the plynth with him were fixed or the ones in the BBC studio were. Much harder to fix the BBC ones and increasing the weight of a lottery ball doesnt garantee it dropping through the trap door at the right moment.

He speaks a lot of nonsense to throw you off the scent. Did you see the wordplay with the mouse in the box? And the cups.

JackCB

I didn't actually watch this, but the only plausible explanation I can come up with for the whole thing (the stunt and the explanation) is that it is a complex piece of misdirection/programming for some future stunt.

Derren Brown could not really have predicted the lottery numbers, if the numbers were randomly selected. This we can say for sure. Now he could have rigged the lottery machine (in theory at least, although perhaps not in practice), but I don't really think that's his style. So that leaves us with the magic trick idea: he didn't really know the numbers that were going to come out beforehand but merely made it seem as if he did (some split-screen, camera trickery type of thing). This seems the only plausible way for Derren to do what he did. When you consider also that he had an empty studio and could only gave only guff explanations for not inviting an audience, it seems even more probable. Derren Brown is a showman, he knows that a 'magic trick' (for want of a better word) has a greater effect the more transparent it appears. If he did know the numbers beforehand (either by prediction of by rigging the draw) then he could have made the initial stunt far more transparent. But he didn't, ergo there was some trickery going on.

But in that case, what is the point of the stunt? It's not particularly interesting, if it's 'just another magic trick'. Derren Brown has always tried to offer a bit more than that, he's tried to offer something of genuine psychological interest. So it seems to me to be probable that the National Lottery stunt is only a part of something grander something he has probably been preparing for with all those strange in-reverse-but-not-entirely adverts. And the stunt along with it's 'nonsense' explanations are all part of some elaborate attempted mass programming/hypnotism.

Big Banjo

The sun did an piece on this.

Their take on it was that he split the screen so the left side where the balls were was a still image. Then while the draw was happening someone was changing the numbers.
They then swicthed the left side back to a live image after the draw.

This explains why he did not wat an audience and seems a very good explanation.

Aggieboy

I like his shows but this was rubbish. There was an easier way of proving this was a good 'trick' of course, and that was by actually buying the ticket with the numbers he'd 'predicted' and winning the lottery. That would have been impressive!

downfader

Big Banjo wrote:

The sun did an piece on this.

Their take on it was that he split the screen so the left side where the balls were was a still image. Then while the draw was happening someone was changing the numbers.
They then swicthed the left side back to a live image after the draw.

This explains why he did not wat an audience and seems a very good explanation.

Split screen is hightly plausable, if Laurel and Hardy could use it in the 30s Brown can easily get away with it today. If he had been serious he'd have the balls out in front of him (finar)

JLM74

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqAt2akPHJ8

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JLM74 wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqAt2akPHJ8

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BTW have you seen his other vids, my god their funny

wiffachip

he told you the winning numbers after the draw, I can do that

Matt the Tester

STEFANOS4784 wrote:

Derren Brown-moron control

lol

a_n_t

wiffachip wrote:

he told you the winning numbers after the draw, I can do that

Exactly. Why not do it on the tuesday night? Well it wouldn't work would it!

cougie

I'm sure it was split screen. Very clever split screen but that was what it was.

Why was the camera hand held ? No need for it to be, it could have been fixed as most tv studio stuff is, but that makes the split screen too easy.

If you look at the movement of the camera though - it was too ordered - left a bit, up a bit, right a bit, - I think its something like its on a mount thats been programmed to move in a set pattern and so they can tie it in with the other side of the screen.

Well either that or he is a witch...

DavidBelcher

In defence of Derren Brown, in the wider context of all things telly....at least he's not James Martin.

David

t0ph0id

cougie wrote:

Why was the camera hand held ? No need for it to be, it could have been fixed as most tv studio stuff is, but that makes the split screen too easy.

So you couldn't tell when it switched from live to recoding as easily.

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