To the cyclist turning right at the top of Tooley Street

Harry B

If your going to turn right you need to be on the right hand side of the lane of traffic. Not on the left inside of me. Oh and it might be an idea to let other road users know where your going you stupid git :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

On the way home last night this stupid old git just pulls away from the left of the road and goes right across the traffic turning right onto (is it Southwark?) Bridge cutting me and the rest of the traffic up.

Naturally enough I informed him of the error of his ways

Headhuunter

Not a particularly rare occurence unfortunately. I've been pulled in front of many times by other cyclists who don't check what's coming alongside before making the manoeuvre

lost_in_thought

Don't indicate... true warriors maintain the element of surprise.


:roll:

Headhuunter

I can see why nervous cyclists hug the curb though, I've moved across the lane to position myself in the middle of teh road in preparation to turn right and had to stop because there has been traffic coming the other way, only to be honked at by traffic coming up behind me! Bloody idiots...

artaxerxes

If you are talking about the junction on Tooley St leading on to London Bridge / Borough High St, I think it's a bit of a nightmare with the narrow-ish road, and lots of cyclists filtering up on the left following the cycle lane. There is often a large left turning HGV at the front of the queue.

Not sure of the exact circumstances, but I think a lot of cyclists stay on the left so they can put their left foot down on the pavement i.e they might not like the hill-start at the traffic lights and find it easier to push off from the pavement. I've seen a lot of cyclists in the ASL make very slow and wobbly starts in front of impatient trucks/buses/taxis when the lights go green.

Also if the ASL is already occupied by vehicles or other cyclists, nearly everyone stays on the cycle lane down the left.

Headhuunter

linoue wrote:

If you are talking about the junction on Tooley St leading on to London Bridge / Borough High St, I think it's a bit of a nightmare with the narrow-ish road, and lots of cyclists filtering up on the left following the cycle lane. There is often a large left turning HGV at the front of the queue.

Not sure of the exact circumstances, but I think a lot of cyclists stay on the left so they can put their left foot down on the pavement i.e they might not like the hill-start at the traffic lights and find it easier to push off from the pavement. I've seen a lot of cyclists in the ASL make very slow and wobbly starts in front of impatient trucks/buses/taxis when the lights go green.

Also if the ASL is already occupied by vehicles or other cyclists, nearly everyone stays on the cycle lane down the left.

IF the ASL is blocked! That ASL is ALWAYS blocked, usually with mopeds and motorbikes or perhaps a taxi. I pass through that every day and almost always RLJ, it's far safer IME than waiting for the scrum down as everyone tried to push through onto London Br....

artaxerxes

True...
If there is a large vehicle at the front I usually hang back, don't mind waiting for the next green light.

I wonder what the accident stats are for that junction, because it seems dangerous but I've never heard of any there.

Landlocked

Headhuunter wrote:

linoue wrote:

If you are talking about the junction on Tooley St leading on to London Bridge / Borough High St, I think it's a bit of a nightmare with the narrow-ish road, and lots of cyclists filtering up on the left following the cycle lane. There is often a large left turning HGV at the front of the queue.

Not sure of the exact circumstances, but I think a lot of cyclists stay on the left so they can put their left foot down on the pavement i.e they might not like the hill-start at the traffic lights and find it easier to push off from the pavement. I've seen a lot of cyclists in the ASL make very slow and wobbly starts in front of impatient trucks/buses/taxis when the lights go green.

Also if the ASL is already occupied by vehicles or other cyclists, nearly everyone stays on the cycle lane down the left.

IF the ASL is blocked! That ASL is ALWAYS blocked, usually with mopeds and motorbikes or perhaps a taxi. I pass through that every day and almost always RLJ, it's far safer IME than waiting for the scrum down as everyone tried to push through onto London Br....

This is on my commute to work as well. its a nightmare sometimes with cabs turning left into the station, HGV's heading down BHS, and a hoard of cyclist goign across the bridge.

i just take my time and try and stear clear of everyone there, buses, taxi's, HGV's but especially some of the cyclists!!

Headhuunter

Landlocked wrote:

Headhuunter wrote:

linoue wrote:

If you are talking about the junction on Tooley St leading on to London Bridge / Borough High St, I think it's a bit of a nightmare with the narrow-ish road, and lots of cyclists filtering up on the left following the cycle lane. There is often a large left turning HGV at the front of the queue.

Not sure of the exact circumstances, but I think a lot of cyclists stay on the left so they can put their left foot down on the pavement i.e they might not like the hill-start at the traffic lights and find it easier to push off from the pavement. I've seen a lot of cyclists in the ASL make very slow and wobbly starts in front of impatient trucks/buses/taxis when the lights go green.

Also if the ASL is already occupied by vehicles or other cyclists, nearly everyone stays on the cycle lane down the left.

IF the ASL is blocked! That ASL is ALWAYS blocked, usually with mopeds and motorbikes or perhaps a taxi. I pass through that every day and almost always RLJ, it's far safer IME than waiting for the scrum down as everyone tried to push through onto London Br....

This is on my commute to work as well. its a nightmare sometimes with cabs turning left into the station, HGV's heading down BHS, and a hoard of cyclist goign across the bridge.

i just take my time and try and stear clear of everyone there, buses, taxi's, HGV's but especially some of the cyclists!!

I wait until the ped green man is illuminated at the base of London Br which effectively stops all traffic then I slowly meander across the junction and wait til the peds have stopped crossing and the light has turned green and then head over the bridge. It allows me to get well ahead of all the taxis, mopeds, turning HGVs and buses jostling etc etc. I also find that manhole cover on the turn onto the bridge a nightmare in the wet. Often you are almost forced onto it by other traffic and it's incredibly slippery in the wet. if you RLJ you don't get that problem.

Harry B

I came up the cycle lane and this guy was at the front next to the kerb so I moved across towards the middle of the ASL (is that the cyclists box? :oops: sorry not sure what ASL stands for). Luckily I pulled away slowly so that I could clip in. If we had both gone at the same time I'm pretty sure we would have collided and gone down with a whole load of traffic behind us trying to get across the lights.

I don't usually have any probelm with this junction. As others have said you can pull forward quite a bit whilst the lights are still red and give yourself a good headstart. Probably the worse thing along this section of raod is all the pedestrians stepping out into the road without looking :roll:

Dudu

linoue wrote:

True...
If there is a large vehicle at the front I usually hang back, don't mind waiting for the next green light.

This is the right answer. What's the hurry? Are people's journeys so important they'll put themselves and others at risk by dodgy filtering, gutter-hugging, RLJing and not signalling? Or are they all MoBs (motorists on bicycles).