Mandelson as future PM ?
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There is a rumour that the Government is pushing an amendment through that peers can leave the House of lords and go back to public office. The reason for this is that Lord Mandelon and supporters have their eye on Gordon browns job as leader of the Labour Party, thus becoming PM, just as gordon Brown did.
Now correct me if I am wrong, this is the bloke who has resigned(ish) twice through fraud scandals and seems as sneaky as they come and could now stand to become our un-elected PM.
Somewhere, someone is taking the piss out of all of us.
What do you all reckon? Obviously, If I have got this all wrong, forgive me and show me the error of my ways.
Now correct me if I am wrong, this is the bloke who has resigned(ish) twice through fraud scandals and seems as sneaky as they come and could now stand to become our un-elected PM.
Somewhere, someone is taking the piss out of all of us.
What do you all reckon? Obviously, If I have got this all wrong, forgive me and show me the error of my ways.
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Please, let this be wrong. :shock:0
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I've got a 5 year plan to leave the country - and unless he joins the Tory party he won't be pm for very long - this time!
while Blair was mates with dodgy zionists - Manelson is in the pockets of the Russian oligarchs - god knows what wars he'll lead us into!! :shock:0 -
Politicians-with very few exceptions does anyone trust any of them?0
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Mandleson is a snake - fortunately, a good proportion of the Labour party already know that.....0
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timb64 wrote:Politicians-with very few exceptions does anyone trust any of them?
Good question! I have been a member of a party since I was 17....now 44, and am debating whether to resign my membership or not. Disillusioned with politics as a whole.
I know that there are some 'good' politicians out there, but more and more it seems that the majority are out for themselves.
In a perfect system, we'd have a cross section of elected members running the country...not one particular party. I always thought that Labour MP's such as Donald Dewar and John Smith were men of integrity, trustworthy, and worthy of respect regardless of their politics, as I think, (I may be wrong!!) David Cameron is. (Did I, an SNP supporter, really say that?
). Tony Benn was another. Growing up in the 70's/80's, politicians seemed like statesmen....Wilson, Heath, Healey.....people who had worked hard, come through wars, etc.
As for Mandelson.......heaven help us all if he gets the nod over GB! I for one will move to Cornwall, and vote Mebyon Kernow! 0 -
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Angus444 wrote:timb64 wrote:Politicians-with very few exceptions does anyone trust any of them?
I know that there are some 'good' politicians out there, but more and more it seems that the majority are out for themselves.
In a perfect system, we'd have a cross section of elected members running the country...not one particular party.
As for Mandelson.......heaven help us all if he gets the nod over GB! I for one will move to Cornwall, and vote Mebyon Kernow!
Very interesting view from someone who has taken an interest in politics.Just can't see the turkeys voting for Xmas by bringing in PR etc, too many vested interests0 -
timb64 wrote:Angus444 wrote:timb64 wrote:Politicians-with very few exceptions does anyone trust any of them?
I know that there are some 'good' politicians out there, but more and more it seems that the majority are out for themselves.
In a perfect system, we'd have a cross section of elected members running the country...not one particular party.
As for Mandelson.......heaven help us all if he gets the nod over GB! I for one will move to Cornwall, and vote Mebyon Kernow!
Very interesting view from someone who has taken an interest in politics.Just can't see the turkeys voting for Xmas by bringing in PR etc, too many vested interests
I agree Tim. Why vote yourself out of a comfortable job, big pension, perks , etc.....
We need a revolution in the UK, but with footie on telly 7 days a week, cheap booze, fags, etc, the apathetic majority wouldn't come out into the streets....0 -
Okay it isn't going to happen but imagine if..........
an Independent won every seat?
Imagine a politician voting for his constituents instead of the party.
Imagine all the people...... sorry wandered off there :oops:
Time to leaveNone of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.0 -
daviesee wrote:Okay it isn't going to happen but imagine if..........
an Independent won every seat?
Imagine a politician voting for his constituents instead of the party.
Imagine all the people...... sorry wandered off there :oops:
Time to leave
I'll see you on the slopes of Schiehallion next May, Comrade...... . 0 -
Too oily and tarnished by half to be PM, but will stand in the ranks of 'the best PM we never had' with David Owen, Heseltine and John Smith.
Labour need 7 or 8 years in the wilderness to figure out what they stand for. The next Labour PM will be a junior player at present.0 -
Too oily and tarnished by half to be PM, but will stand in the ranks of 'the best PM we never had' with David Owen, Heseltine and John Smith.
Labour need 7 or 8 years in the wilderness to figure out what they stand for. The next Labour PM will be a junior player at present.0 -
Angus444 wrote:In a perfect system, we'd have a cross section of elected members running the country...not one particular party. I always thought that Labour MP's such as Donald Dewar and John Smith were men of integrity, trustworthy, and worthy of respect regardless of their politics, as I think, (I may be wrong!!) David Cameron is. (Did I, an SNP supporter, really say that? ). Tony Benn was another. Growing up in the 70's/80's, politicians seemed like statesmen....Wilson, Heath, Healey.....people who had worked hard, come through wars, etc.
I'm not sure about John Smith - turns out he was mixed up with the same people that supported Blair into power.
Tony Benn was a right winger when he was in power - easy to have integrity when you're retired!
David Cameron pretends he cares - but he's a man who can't even remember how many houses he owns. Same old same old Tory who will tax the poor and hand it all over to his rich old Etonian friends.0 -
Porgy wrote:Angus444 wrote:In a perfect system, we'd have a cross section of elected members running the country...not one particular party. I always thought that Labour MP's such as Donald Dewar and John Smith were men of integrity, trustworthy, and worthy of respect regardless of their politics, as I think, (I may be wrong!!) David Cameron is. (Did I, an SNP supporter, really say that? ). Tony Benn was another. Growing up in the 70's/80's, politicians seemed like statesmen....Wilson, Heath, Healey.....people who had worked hard, come through wars, etc.
I'm not sure about John Smith - turns out he was mixed up with the same people that supported Blair into power.
Tony Benn was a right winger when he was in power - easy to have integrity when you're retired!
David Cameron pretends he cares - but he's a man who can't even remember how many houses he owns. Same old same old Tory who will tax the poor and hand it all over to his rich old Etonian friends.
You may be right there, Porgy, but to be honest, I have less of a problem with Tories who own land and several houses than I do with 'Socialist' MP's who do. The Tories at least are honest about what they stand for....unlike those impostors who stand under the flag of Socialism, and line their own pockets......
At least Cameron rides a bike......when it's not been nicked, of course 0 -
Porgy wrote:Angus444 wrote:In a perfect system, we'd have a cross section of elected members running the country...not one particular party. I always thought that Labour MP's such as Donald Dewar and John Smith were men of integrity, trustworthy, and worthy of respect regardless of their politics, as I think, (I may be wrong!!) David Cameron is. (Did I, an SNP supporter, really say that? ). Tony Benn was another. Growing up in the 70's/80's, politicians seemed like statesmen....Wilson, Heath, Healey.....people who had worked hard, come through wars, etc.
Same old same old Tory who will tax the poor and hand it all over to his rich old Etonian friends.
Oh thank goodness for that - under the current regime we have to give to the undeserving poor, I mean, honestly...0 -
dmclite wrote:There is a rumour that the Government is pushing an amendment through that peers can leave the House of lords and go back to public office. The reason for this is that Lord Mandelon and supporters have their eye on Gordon browns job as leader of the Labour Party, thus becoming PM, just as gordon Brown did.
Now correct me if I am wrong, this is the bloke who has resigned(ish) twice through fraud scandals and seems as sneaky as they come and could now stand to become our un-elected PM.
Somewhere, someone is taking the wee-wee out of all of us.
What do you all reckon? Obviously, If I have got this all wrong, forgive me and show me the error of my ways.
Why would they need to go back to the Commons to be PM. They can be a Lord and also PM. Learn your history- 1963 Lord Alec Home became PMWant to know the Spen666 behind the posts?
Then read MY BLOG @ http://www.pebennett.com
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Ok Spen666, as you may have read, if I got it wrong tell me, but don't lecture me.
learn my history ?, learn some manners yourself.0 -
spen666 wrote:dmclite wrote:There is a rumour that the Government is pushing an amendment through that peers can leave the House of lords and go back to public office. The reason for this is that Lord Mandelon and supporters have their eye on Gordon browns job as leader of the Labour Party, thus becoming PM, just as gordon Brown did.
Now correct me if I am wrong, this is the bloke who has resigned(ish) twice through fraud scandals and seems as sneaky as they come and could now stand to become our un-elected PM.
Somewhere, someone is taking the wee-wee out of all of us.
What do you all reckon? Obviously, If I have got this all wrong, forgive me and show me the error of my ways.
Why would they need to go back to the Commons to be PM. They can be a Lord and also PM. Learn your history- 1963 Lord Alec Home became PM
Actually AlecDouglas Home was a HEREDITARY peer not A LIFE peer and he renounced his peerage under the Peerage Act 1963. He could legally have worked as PM from the Lords but this would have cause too many political problem.
Peter Mandleson is a LIFE peer and under current LAW he cannot resign. You accept a LIFE peerage until your death. This is what they are trying to change.0 -
Angus444 wrote:
I'll see you on the slopes of Schiehallion next May, Comrade...... .
May have time for a chat if the nimbys are up to their tricks :evil:
I have yet to hear a good word about PM.
He must have something on a lot of people :xNone of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.0 -
gkerr4 wrote:Porgy wrote:Angus444 wrote:In a perfect system, we'd have a cross section of elected members running the country...not one particular party. I always thought that Labour MP's such as Donald Dewar and John Smith were men of integrity, trustworthy, and worthy of respect regardless of their politics, as I think, (I may be wrong!!) David Cameron is. (Did I, an SNP supporter, really say that? ). Tony Benn was another. Growing up in the 70's/80's, politicians seemed like statesmen....Wilson, Heath, Healey.....people who had worked hard, come through wars, etc.
Same old same old Tory who will tax the poor and hand it all over to his rich old Etonian friends.
Oh thank goodness for that - under the current regime we have to give to the undeserving poor, I mean, honestly...
in this context we are all the poor - unless you have several millions of inherited wealth. :roll:
and there's no evidence of your claim under Blair and Brown the rich have continued to get richer and the poor poorer.
and anyway - who's the undeserving poor - my wife was born poor in a sh.it estate out of London - and she's worked all her life to help others stuck in poverty. It's not a black and white situation - if you're born poor in a poior part of the cojuntry it doesn't matter how talented you are - chances are you will end up poor, ill, addicted to drugs or drink, maybe on the streets or in jail. That can't be right can it? You sound like a right f**king snob to me.0 -
NWLondoner wrote:spen666 wrote:dmclite wrote:There is a rumour that the Government is pushing an amendment through that peers can leave the House of lords and go back to public office. The reason for this is that Lord Mandelon and supporters have their eye on Gordon browns job as leader of the Labour Party, thus becoming PM, just as gordon Brown did.
Now correct me if I am wrong, this is the bloke who has resigned(ish) twice through fraud scandals and seems as sneaky as they come and could now stand to become our un-elected PM.
Somewhere, someone is taking the wee-wee out of all of us.
What do you all reckon? Obviously, If I have got this all wrong, forgive me and show me the error of my ways.
Why would they need to go back to the Commons to be PM. They can be a Lord and also PM. Learn your history- 1963 Lord Alec Home became PM
Actually AlecDouglas Home was a HEREDITARY peer not A LIFE peer and he renounced his peerage under the Peerage Act 1963. He could legally have worked as PM from the Lords but this would have cause too many political problem.
Peter Mandleson is a LIFE peer and under current LAW he cannot resign. You accept a LIFE peerage until your death. This is what they are trying to change.
He DOESN'T need to resign - that is my point. There is no bar on a Lord being PM
Indeed Parliament is so marginalised these days, it would matter little whether PM was a Lord or an commonerWant to know the Spen666 behind the posts?
Then read MY BLOG @ http://www.pebennett.com
Twittering @spen_6660 -
daviesee wrote:Angus444 wrote:
I'll see you on the slopes of Schiehallion next May, Comrade...... .
May have time for a chat if the nimbys are up to their tricks :evil:
I have yet to hear a good word about PM.
He must have something on a lot of people :x
If the nimbys are up to their tricks, I'll be leading a posse to their front doors!! Lead nimby A Grosstit won't show up in 2010. Word is, he is mighty disgraced in his own community, and having been identified, knows better than scattering tacks again.
Was up there last Monday....did Blair Atholl - Trinafour - Tummel Bridge - Blair Atholl.....roads were quiet...brill!
Sorry.....went off-thread there.......0 -
Should be more suited as Chancellor of the Exchequer then?dmclite wrote:...Now correct me if I am wrong, this is the bloke who has resigned(ish) twice through fraud scandals and seems as sneaky as they come and could now stand to become our un-elected PM...There's no such thing as too old.0 -
spen666 wrote:NWLondoner wrote:spen666 wrote:dmclite wrote:There is a rumour that the Government is pushing an amendment through that peers can leave the House of lords and go back to public office. The reason for this is that Lord Mandelon and supporters have their eye on Gordon browns job as leader of the Labour Party, thus becoming PM, just as gordon Brown did.
Now correct me if I am wrong, this is the bloke who has resigned(ish) twice through fraud scandals and seems as sneaky as they come and could now stand to become our un-elected PM.
Somewhere, someone is taking the wee-wee out of all of us.
What do you all reckon? Obviously, If I have got this all wrong, forgive me and show me the error of my ways.
Why would they need to go back to the Commons to be PM. They can be a Lord and also PM. Learn your history- 1963 Lord Alec Home became PM
Actually AlecDouglas Home was a HEREDITARY peer not A LIFE peer and he renounced his peerage under the Peerage Act 1963. He could legally have worked as PM from the Lords but this would have cause too many political problem.
Peter Mandleson is a LIFE peer and under current LAW he cannot resign. You accept a LIFE peerage until your death. This is what they are trying to change.
He DOESN'T need to resign - that is my point. There is no bar on a Lord being PM
Indeed Parliament is so marginalised these days, it would matter little whether PM was a Lord or an commoner
Parliament is marginalised....?
How and why...?
Last I checked MP's are still the primary legislative body of the UK."I hold it true, what'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost;
Than never to have loved at all."
Alfred Tennyson0 -
Perhaps, then, they should bump him off first, then he'll be free to be PM. Can't see him being any worse at the job under those circumstances than the present incumbent.Peter Mandleson is a LIFE peer and under current LAW he cannot resign. You accept a LIFE peerage until your death. This is what they are trying to change.0 -
Tony Benn a right winger when he was in power? Is there another Tony Benn? The man was a left wing as you can get and still be a democrat. His social experiment with the Meridan Co-operative hardly a right wing agenda was it. Ok his comments in '66 about the government not supporting non-viable industries was economic Darwinism, but he was never right wing.0
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Angus444 wrote:men of integrity, trustworthy, and worthy of respect regardless of their politics, as I think, (I may be wrong!!) David Cameron is.
I was very amused to see David Cameron spring into action over the expenses scandal. Of course, until the Telegraph printed all the details, he must have been totally unaware of what was going on in Parliament and how MPs fiddled expenses.... :roll:
Sadly he got a load of very good publicity for fixing a problem in his own party when, and only when, somebody else made this information public.0 -
The great shame about the MP expenses fiasco is that it effectively took away their moral authority to go after and do anything about the overpaid bankers in the city (and it still does, to the extent that they are at it again, reaping new bonuses based on an almighty dead cat bounce).
Of course that couldn't have been one of the Telegraph's objectives in running the story... :twisted:0
