GPXX navigation on the 705

lost_in_thought

So, bikehike.co.uk have introduced the facility to download onto your GPS as a GPXX file, which they maintain allows 'sat-nav style' (which I presume means turn by turn) navigation with more than 100 course points.

So I tried this, downloaded my route onto the Garmin, hit Navigate, and for some reason it seemed utterly intent on taking me somewhere I had no intention of going, and indeed wasn't on the route I know I'd planned, it seemed to have picked a point and be taking me there, I suppose once I'd gone through that point it might have taken me to the next one, but it was still the wrong way.

Luckily I'd also downloaded it as a TCX 'course', which didn't give me any turn-by-turn, but a helpful pink line to follow, which works.

Anyone else tried the GPXX? Thoughts? Advice?

_Brun_

Just seen this after I'd downloaded the tcx for tomorrow. Have stuck the gpxx on there as well, might give a whirl and see what happens.

symo

I have jut bought Traktor Scratch Pro, its great. My thoughts anyway, nothing to do with the 705 though.

_Brun_

From bikehike's help page:

The GPXX Route option allows Garmin 705 users to do SatNav type navigation and not be restricted to the 100 waypoint limit. Hardpoints in the route become 'via' points. You can add hard points by ctrl-clicking on the route while in drag edit mode (hard points are the black dots). You will need to add via points for off-road sections - or disable the 705's route recalculation (if possible).

Sounds like the Garmin just navigates from one hardpoint to the next, but these aren't created automatically when you use bikehike to plan your route. It does create one if you modify the route using drag edit, so if you'd done that it might have been trying to send you straight form the start to the first drag-edited point.

Does that make any sense? I notice the route for tomorrow didn't have any of the hardpoints, so I'll add them and download it again. Bet I end up following the pink line tho'

Roastie

I haven't had any probs with *.GPX files that I've created using Bikely - navigates turn by turn and follows the route exactly (never used *.GPXX though - is there a difference?). Perhaps try a different *.GPX/GPXX creator?

lost_in_thought

_Brun_ wrote:

From bikehike's help page:

The GPXX Route option allows Garmin 705 users to do SatNav type navigation and not be restricted to the 100 waypoint limit. Hardpoints in the route become 'via' points. You can add hard points by ctrl-clicking on the route while in drag edit mode (hard points are the black dots). You will need to add via points for off-road sections - or disable the 705's route recalculation (if possible).

Sounds like the Garmin just navigates from one hardpoint to the next, but these aren't created automatically when you use bikehike to plan your route. It does create one if you modify the route using drag edit, so if you'd done that it might have been trying to send you straight form the start to the first drag-edited point.

Does that make any sense? I notice the route for tomorrow didn't have any of the hardpoints, so I'll add them and download it again. Bet I end up following the pink line tho'

It does, yes, but for the fact that I find bikehike's drag-edit a PITA so never use it, so god knows how it was creating the 'hard points'. Maybe it wasn't, and that was the problem...

Oddjob62

After quite a bit of testing and playing around today. I'd say step 1. Turn off Autorecalc, especially if you've got a "loop" route. I had it set to "Prompt" today, and it was working fine till we took a wrong turn, it asked if i wanted to recalc, and I said yes.

Jamey

You can get turn-by-turn instructions in TCX files if you use BikeRouteToaster. I've been doing it for over a year now.

prj45

Jamey wrote:

You can get turn-by-turn instructions in TCX files if you use BikeRouteToaster. I've been doing it for over a year now.

I'm getting the impression that the GPXX files will follow the road though (like what happens if you ask the Edge to go to a location and you've got a routable map), turn by turn in TCX is just waypoint following.

If you try to put a calculated route from Mapsource into yur edge though it goes nuts as the route seems to be made up of visits to loads of houses, thousands of them.

il_principe

Used GPXX on the "slowcial" today and it worked pretty well, any errors were mainly user, or googlemaps which tried to send us down a firmly gated road. I'm going to stick with it as the turn by turn is very useful.

dodgy

GPXX and bikehike works just fine for me, full turn by turn functionality. What map do you have installed on your Edge?

zerostar

I have just got a 705 and in my attempts to understand how to use it came across this thread.

I want to create long rides with over 100 turns on them with navigation that follows where I want to go not where the garmin thinks I should go.
Is this possible?
And if so how?

I am using the routable talkytoaster maps from here:
http://talkytoaster.info/ukmaps.htm

[I read frank kinlans blog, but even after looking through that I was confused]
http://frank.kinlan.co.uk/garmin-705-knowledgebase/

essex-commuter

From what I can remember if you use GPXX and want to follow exactly the track you created on Bikehike or similar, you have to turn off the recalculate function.

There was a thread on here a few weeks ago that explored this issue.

prj45

zerostar wrote:

I want to create long rides with over 100 turns on them with navigation that follows where I want to go not where the garmin thinks I should go.

Heh, I remember planning a route round and over the Malverns with my 705 and not realising that with the maps installed if I went slightly off route it would recalculate the ride.

I missed the two things I really wanted to see (the spring at Great Malvern and the Kettle Sings cafe).

zerostar

dodgy wrote:

GPXX and bikehike works just fine for me, full turn by turn functionality. What map do you have installed on your Edge?

I think this is what I want to do.
Do other people do it differently?
When I load up a plan from bikehike in gpxx format i just get a solid pink line that joins the start to the finish as the crow flies.

There are so many settings on the edge that seem completely undocumented.
Currently I have the map settings to
detail: normal
orientation: track up
auto zoom: on
lock on road:off [should this be on?]

And the routing options
calculate routes for: bicycle
guidance method: follow road
recalculate: off

Do I need to change these?

dodgy

zeerostar, what map do you have installed?

Canny Jock

After my nav failure today with gpx files I will have a look at gpxx. gpx seemed to get about 80% of the turns, the rest could have been my fault when creating a route, the problem was it then didn't suggest ways back to the route. Will check my recalculate settings.

And I thought I had got it all sorted out :oops:

Next time I'll try it on my own and not feel guilty about leading others doen the wrong road. Today it mainly sent us up hills and round in circles - nothing more demoralising than seeing the distance left to go jump from 29 miles to 35

zerostar

dodgy wrote:

zeerostar, what map do you have installed?

I was hoping you might turn up since you seen to have the system working properly.
Which map are you using?

I am using these maps:

http://talkytoaster.info/ukmaps.htm

In particular these (the top link in the table)

100820-GB+Contours-Routable-GMAPSUPP.zip
contains
100820-GB+Contours-Routable-GMAPSUPP.IMG 315 MB (330,801,152 bytes) GB Map (With Contours) - Routable. Can be overlaid over other maps.

redvee

This seems as good a place as any for the BR 705 users.

If you have the 3.2 firmware it would be a good idea to downgrade to 3.1. Garmin have fropped the 3.2 and since I updated my firmware I was getting the Autopause kick in at 17-20mph whcih I first put down to the cadence sensor but this still happened when on bike 2. Downgraded this morning so hopefully this problem will be cured.

Canny Jock

Roastie wrote:

I haven't had any probs with *.GPX files that I've created using Bikely - navigates turn by turn and follows the route exactly (never used *.GPXX though - is there a difference?). Perhaps try a different *.GPX/GPXX creator?

Is it possible to post any of these with examples?

dodgy

zerostar wrote:

dodgy wrote:

zeerostar, what map do you have installed?

I was hoping you might turn up since you seen to have the system working properly.
Which map are you using?

I am using these maps:

http://talkytoaster.info/ukmaps.htm

In particular these (the top link in the table)

100820-GB+Contours-Routable-GMAPSUPP.zip
contains
100820-GB+Contours-Routable-GMAPSUPP.IMG 315 MB (330,801,152 bytes) GB Map (With Contours) - Routable. Can be overlaid over other maps.

It's possible that the site you're using to create your routes has different mapping data compared with the mapping data on your device. What site are you using? Have you tried installing the open (free) maps in mapsource on your PC and design the routes that way, too? Some of the free open source maps come with an installer to make it easier to put the maps on your PC.

Canny Jock

So if I use the maps which come with the Garmin Road package, which would be the best mapping tool/site to use? The map name is CN Europe NT 2011.10.

Canny Jock

Bump still playing around with this, any recommendations for a site to edit existing gpx routes, for upload to a 705 using the Garmin Road maps? Also, which settings should I use for turn-by-turn navigation, which will sort itself out if I miss a turn without just routing me to the end point?

daviesee

Bikeroutetoaster?

Existing routes available but I use the map to create my own routes though in the main.

Neil Holland

Interesting thread. Recenlty acquired second hand 705 and coming to terms with the pros and cons of GPX vs TCX and (shortly) GPXX.

Missed turn by turn when on TCX.

Neil