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and send Ronnie Biggs with her as well0
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Yeah - this really p*sses me off. :x0
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I agree. They should leave all these prisoners they bring back in foreign prisons, as an example to others who want to bring drugs into the country."There's a shortage of perfect breasts in this world, t'would be a pity to damage yours."0
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Why should her child have to pay for her crimes?0
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JackCB wrote:Why should her child have to pay for her crimes?
Hang on, it looks like she got pregnant in prison in order to escape the countries death penalty.
Personally i feel that the chi;e should be taken away and adopted to another couple.0 -
They can always repatriate the brat, though after a life being brought up by the social services or the extended dysfunctional family you can bet that that will be another Jeremy Kyle story in waiting...0
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NWLondoner wrote:and send Ronnie Biggs with her as well
People get less for murder."A cyclist has nothing to lose but his chain"
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And now its going to cost you, me and everyone 70K a year to have a nice comfy cell.
Now I feel like buying a daily mail.0 -
Wow...such compassion shown on the boards this morning.Whyte 905 (2009)
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ShockedSoShocked wrote:NWLondoner wrote:and send Ronnie Biggs with her as well
People get less for murder.
Well many people do believe they were responsible for the drivers premature death
Had he stayed in prison and served his time (i.e buster edwards) then i would have NO problem in him being released.
However for the last 25-30 years he stuck 2 fingers up to this country. He lived a high life on the run then ONLY when he ran out of money and in poor health decided to come back. Since then he has had free health treatment when he has NOT contributed to the NHS and STILL shows NO remorse for his actions all those years ago.0 -
So what we are saying is you can do your crime abroad, yet not have to suffer the consequences there, no, you can be a burden on the taxpayer and serve your sentence here.
No wonder this nation is in such a state!0 -
Cressers wrote:So what we are saying is you can do your crime abroad, yet not have to suffer the consequences there, no, you can be a burden on the taxpayer and serve your sentence here.
No wonder this nation is in such a state!
Also the UK Govt only has so much leverage with other "States" and it annoys me that they have wasted this on a guilty person when in the future an innocent person my need help.0 -
What I personally think is very wrong about all these cases is the media attention which is going to allow them to make money from selling books and perhaps a movie if they can manage to throw in enough twists and turns.
I know some of the people over here are not guilty of the crimes they are in for, and some are in for far too long considering the crimes they have comitted but this one seems pretty open and shut.
There are still thousands of Brits locked up in this part of the world, without any chance of being repatriated!! I do think this bit is so sweet though:He also said the Foreign and Commonwealth Office was continuing to work for the early transfer of John Watson, from Bradford, West Yorkshire, who is also imprisoned in Laos for drug smuggling.
Watson, 47, was identified as the father of Orobator's baby
How nice the FCO playing happy families. How nice of them. If you ever get into trouble overseas just see how much help they give you! Ha....0 -
"Any compassion shown to criminals will result in injustice to the entire humanity; hence it is prohibited and not permissible".
Taken from the Koran, Volume 6, Chapter 24, verse 2 I believe.
Must be a bit troubling for those expressing Daily Mail type hanging and flogging sentiments to see them reflected so completely in the works of Islam.
Still, Hitler was completely opposed to urban Terrorism so you have to be careful of your opinions or you never know who you become aligned with.................Where the neon madmen climb0 -
Not wanting to upset anyone but she should have never been allowed back. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Anyone committing crime in another country should abide by that countries laws, and justice system. As for getting pregnant in prison the pregnancy should have been terminated, or the child taken off her. How on earth was she allowed to get pregnant in prison god only knows?
She may be an English national but there's enough crimianls in this country as it is. 84,000 adult prisoners and not enough room for any more. Recently prisoners were being housed in Police cells because there was not enough room. Yet we fly someone halfway round the world so they can be put in prison here when prisons are over crowded?
As for Biggs I agree with NWLondoner 100%. He took the piss and we let him. And yes murderers do get less for murder, but two wrongs don't make a right. IMO life should be life. Am sure if people realised they faced 25 years minimum murder rate would drop like a stone. And if it didn't at least there would be some justice for the victims families.
I hear now he's still in a prison hospital, despite being a free man? Funny how things turn out sometimes. They say he's to ill to move, personally I would make him go, so theres room for another prisoner!"I spend my petrol money on Bikes, Beer, Pizza, and Donuts "
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Our prisons are soft. When our nationals get banged up abroad they can't get back to blighty quick enough.
Oh if only I ran the show.
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zedders wrote:Not wanting to upset anyone but she should have never been allowed back. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Anyone committing crime in another country should abide by that countries laws, and justice system. As for getting pregnant in prison the pregnancy should have been terminated, or the child taken off her. How on earth was she allowed to get pregnant in prison god only knows?
She may be an English national but there's enough crimianls in this country as it is. 84,000 adult prisoners and not enough room for any more. Recently prisoners were being housed in Police cells because there was not enough room. Yet we fly someone halfway round the world so they can be put in prison here when prisons are over crowded?
As for Biggs I agree with NWLondoner 100%. He took the wee-wee and we let him. And yes murderers do get less for murder, but two wrongs don't make a right. IMO life should be life. Am sure if people realised they faced 25 years minimum murder rate would drop like a stone. And if it didn't at least there would be some justice for the victims families.
I hear now he's still in a prison hospital, despite being a free man? Funny how things turn out sometimes. They say he's to ill to move, personally I would make him go, so theres room for another prisoner!
+1... Only I'm not bothered if it upsets anyone! :shock:Start with a budget, finish with a mortgage!0 -
Nice, she gets caught smuggling drugs, then sets about getting herself pregnant to get out of jail and succeeds. Lets face it, even if she goes back to jail in the UK, she's going to get out pretty quick after qiving birth. She should obviously have stayed behind bars, then the child be taken off her by the State. Now every female smuggler knows there's an out.
These charities concerned seem to be conveniently blinding themselves to her getting herself up the spout behind bars so they can pontificate about the Loas legal system. And lets get the dad out too, never mind that he probably(erm, possibly, allegedly..) shot his wad into a condom for a packet of cigarettes and will also probably have no interest in his child in the real world.
The only thing I could say in her favour is that when she did this she would have been 19 yrs old and possibly naively trusted someone, and that's about it. That being said, if you just go 'awww' every time some youngster gets done for a serious crime and just let them off then there's no deterrent.
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I don't think this is correct. The two governments have established an agreement for prisoner exchanges so that they serve their sentences in their home country, if she was let out early then the UK would be breaking their side of the deal, and the agreement would torn up by Laos. The child will be taken into care.bigflangesmallsprocket wrote:Nice, she gets caught smuggling drugs, then sets about getting herself pregnant to get out of jail and succeeds. Lets face it, even if she goes back to jail in the UK, she's going to get out pretty quick after qiving birth. She should obviously have stayed behind bars, then the child be taken off her by the State. Now every female smuggler knows there's an out.0 -
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I don't think this is correct. The two governments have established an agreement for prisoner exchanges so that they serve their sentences in their home country, if she was let out early then the UK would be breaking their side of the deal, and the agreement would torn up by Laos. The child will be taken into care.bigflangesmallsprocket wrote:Nice, she gets caught smuggling drugs, then sets about getting herself pregnant to get out of jail and succeeds. Lets face it, even if she goes back to jail in the UK, she's going to get out pretty quick after qiving birth. She should obviously have stayed behind bars, then the child be taken off her by the State. Now every female smuggler knows there's an out.
She only got knocked up to avoid the death penalty. Personally thinking, they should have kept her in Laos, make her have the baby in prison, then take her out the back and blow her brains out like they were planning to do.2010 Lynskey R230
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Isn't this all a bit overboard considering she was only smuggling a bit of crack ? Hardly a great crime is it . I did not know we had descended back to medieval times.
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But remember, this is the Mail readers' threadvolvicspar wrote:Isn't this all a bit overboard considering she was only smuggling a bit of crack ? Hardly a great crime is it . I did not know we had descended back to medieval times.
Just my 2p . :roll:
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next time I get caught with heroin in the far east I'm going to impregnate the first uk national I can find so I can get back home0
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If you are going to try to smuggle a drug into a country, where you know they take a dim view of it. Take the punishment. About as lame as the 2 women a few years ago who thought it was not strange someone paid for their tickets to go to Thailand, with a suitcase of toothpaste tubes. No lame Daily Mail reader comments please - we have enough of a strain on the welfare state/prison system already, without looking after idiots like this one. Since she was sentenced to life instead of the death penalty, which she got out of by getting banged up - hopefully she will do life.
The sad thing is, she is still the small fish. The person making the money and not taking the risk is still out there probably and arranging for the next mule to go.
Not wishing to satisfy a stereotype (it appeared at the top of a google search ) but here is how the Indian's keep their prisons at a comfortable level...allegedly.
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Well, if you think this through carefully, for every country we have a prisoner exchange agreement with, we get to send their nationals back to them, so we don't have to look after their "idiots". It may not be an equal number going each way with each country, but it is likely to even out across the range of countries with which we have such agreements. Given the choice, who's idiots would you rather have in our prisons?
I don't think I'll look at the link either, "news" and "daily mail" being an oxymoron.0 -
Yep.......keep the rope makers in business...hang her high!0
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Unfortunately the only other alternative Google came up with, was the internet forum of wannabee mercenary's. So...amazingly, the Mail was the more credible!!!
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/sh ... ?p=4321509
if you want to wonder about the state of the world, along with the opportunity to work in foreign climes (tax-free) and the potential to be on TV.
http://www.globalriskmanagement.co.uk/
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Pity she was'nt strung up over there - save time, money and her future probable drug dealing.0
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Apart from a few minor East European countries, the UK has the highest prison inmate population in Europe, compared to number of inhabitants per country, about 1 in 700. Other western European countries have figures between 1 in 1000 and 1 in 1500.
At the same time, though, the UK has one of the highest crime rates in Europe, overall over 30% higher than the EU average.
So the heavier sentencing and rigid attitudes, as unfortunately advocated by many posters here, does not affect crime occurrence, may even encourage it in a backhand way.
Given what some here write, I think I’ll have to revise my opinion that those who cycle are amongst the most tolerant in society.
Also, as Volvicspar says, Samantha Orobator was ‘only smuggling a bit of crack’, a crime which wouldn’t receive the same sentence in Europe.
I agree she was foolish to get involved in such, given the likely penalties there, but I’m not sure I agree with the idea she should therefore suffer the ‘local’ consequences.
Not long ago, there was the case in one of the arabian countries of a woman who was gangbanged and because of her ‘participation’ was given 200 lashes and jailed for 6 months. She could even have been stoned to death by their rules. Does anyone agree with this because it’s the ‘local’ rules.
I’m more interested in how the paternity of the child will be decided. Orobator evidently said, she artificially inseminated herself while in prison using her boyfriend’s semen. Presumably this means, after having had a w*nk, he came to meet her and they surreptiously swopped plastic cups, and then she used her fingers to complete the task. Tests on the new baby may identify him as the father, but I wonder if this method of artificial insemination will be recognised.
And supposing canny girls in the UK decide to try and copy a version of this?0 -
Just watched her mother on Tv, she was almost laughing.
Whatever happened to the country I was born?0
