Be like Wiggins

symo

http://www.menshealth.co.uk/Fitness-&-m ... /338191/v3

So just got to shed loads of weight and get Felt to give me a bloody expensive bike then

il_principe

Wellat least my bike weighs less than his!

The rest - not so good.

Must train more dammit.

King Donut

You need to eat quality carbs and protein every 2-3 hours to maintain energy... pasta, omelettes and croissants

Get in... I had 3 ham and cheese criossants for 11sie's

Homer J

Be nice to know what he did to drop that weight, bet it wasn't on 7000kcal a day

pst88

Homer J wrote:

Be nice to know what he did to drop that weight, bet it wasn't on 7000kcal a day

Well it could've been if he was burning 8000 a day.

Headhuunter

Interesting what he says about having whey protein after rides. I take whey protein after weights sessions at the gym but I have never bothered after bike rides. I might give that a go...

Gazzaputt

apparently he ate no brekkie and trained to change his metabolism. Also cut sweet things from his diet. Must be more as well to it.

Headhuunter

Yes, I keep hearing about this bonk training thing, going out for long rides without eating anything (much). I'm trying this, I only eat a slice of toast before the 40+ mile ride I do on Sats these days... Trains your body to burn fat apparently.

secretsam

Headhuunter wrote:

I keep hearing about this bonk training thing

Surely that's best kept between Mr Wiggins, Mrs Wiggins and the bed-post?

Bhima

Headhuunter wrote:

Trains your body to burn fat apparently.

Your body doesn't need to "train" to burn fat, it already knows how to do it. :roll:

There are various threads in the road/training section with regards to bonk training. Read them and you'll realise why it's such bad idea.

Headhuunter

Bhima wrote:

Headhuunter wrote:

Trains your body to burn fat apparently.

Your body doesn't need to "train" to burn fat, it already knows how to do it. :roll:

There are various threads in the road/training section with regards to bonk training. Read them and you'll realise why it's such bad idea.

I've heard differing stories about bonk training. Some say it's a bad idea as your body goes into some kind of shock and retains fat if yuo don't feed it carbs. How do I find these threads? I can't work out how to do a search for a phrase in forums...

hamstrich

Here's a fairly long thread on the idea.

http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtop ... t=12610504

As for Wiggins' training tips, I was surprised at his recommendation for protein shakes after every ride... I'd always thought that these drinks were just for folks who want to bulk up?

Gazzaputt

hamstrich wrote:

Here's a fairly long thread on the idea.

http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtop ... t=12610504

As for Wiggins' training tips, I was surprised at his recommendation for protein shakes after every ride... I'd always thought that these drinks were just for folks who want to bulk up?

No protein is a great recovery aid.

I personally use For Goodness Shakes.

Headhuunter

Gazzaputt wrote:

hamstrich wrote:

Here's a fairly long thread on the idea.

http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtop ... t=12610504

As for Wiggins' training tips, I was surprised at his recommendation for protein shakes after every ride... I'd always thought that these drinks were just for folks who want to bulk up?

No protein is a great recovery aid.

I personally use For Goodness Shakes.

What's "No Protein" is that a brand or something? I use My Protein whey isolate after the gym. I guess it makes sense to consume protein after a ride, particularly a long one, to help your body repair itself. I read somewhere that Nurishment, those cans or energy/protein shake that you can buy in most small newsagents, is a good recovery aid.

shoulder_of_orion

Gazzaputt wrote:

apparently he ate no brekkie and trained to change his metabolism. Also cut sweet things from his diet. Must be more as well to it.

Bet he wasn't drinking much either.

I went to a "well man" screening recently and asked the doctor about "bonk training" (I didn't call it that). He said it was all bollocks, because basically you eat a certain number of calories a day and you burn a certain number off, if the number you burn off is greater than the number you intake, then you lose weight. It doesn't matter when you take the calories in. According to the doc, all bonk training will accomplish is to make you feel shitty.

If you want to lose weight you can:

1) reduce the amount of calories you intake each day
2) increase the amount of exercise you do each day
3) both

simples

Paulie W

Shoulder of Lamb wrote:

Gazzaputt wrote:

apparently he ate no brekkie and trained to change his metabolism. Also cut sweet things from his diet. Must be more as well to it.

Bet he wasn't drinking much either.

I went to a "well man" screening recently and asked the doctor about "bonk training" (I didn't call it that). He said it was all bollocks, because basically you eat a certain number of calories a day and you burn a certain number off, if the number you burn off is greater than the number you intake, then you lose weight. It doesn't matter when you take the calories in. According to the doc, all bonk training will accomplish is to make you feel shitty.

If you want to lose weight you can:

1) reduce the amount of calories you intake each day
2) increase the amount of exercise you do each day
3) both

simples

I dont know your doctor's area of expertise but I've rarely come across a GP who knows much about nutrition. And while the equation of calories burnt > calories taken in = weight loss is right at a very general level there are a whole bunch of other factors that impact on this equation.

Headhuunter

Paulie W wrote:

Shoulder of Lamb wrote:

Gazzaputt wrote:

apparently he ate no brekkie and trained to change his metabolism. Also cut sweet things from his diet. Must be more as well to it.

Bet he wasn't drinking much either.

I went to a "well man" screening recently and asked the doctor about "bonk training" (I didn't call it that). He said it was all bollocks, because basically you eat a certain number of calories a day and you burn a certain number off, if the number you burn off is greater than the number you intake, then you lose weight. It doesn't matter when you take the calories in. According to the doc, all bonk training will accomplish is to make you feel shitty.

If you want to lose weight you can:

1) reduce the amount of calories you intake each day
2) increase the amount of exercise you do each day
3) both

simples

I dont know your doctor's area of expertise but I've rarely come across a GP who knows much about nutrition. And while the equation of calories burnt > calories taken in = weight loss is right at a very general level there are a whole bunch of other factors that impact on this equation.

I agree, that's a very simplistic view. Energy can be pulled from different sources. Take the Atkins diet for a start, that results in very fast weight loss through forcing your body to burn fat. It may not be heathy, but it works!

cjcp

Gazzaputt wrote:

hamstrich wrote:

Here's a fairly long thread on the idea.

http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtop ... t=12610504

As for Wiggins' training tips, I was surprised at his recommendation for protein shakes after every ride... I'd always thought that these drinks were just for folks who want to bulk up?

No protein is a great recovery aid.

I personally use For Goodness Shakes.

+1. Tastes good too!

cjcp

Headhuunter wrote:

Yes, I keep hearing about this bonk training thing, going out for long rides without eating anything (much). I'm trying this, I only eat a slice of toast before the 40+ mile ride I do on Sats these days... Trains your body to burn fat apparently.

:shock: A slice of toast! Holy moly! Do you eat everything in sight after the ride?

Out of interest, do you weigh yourself before and after these rides or, say, before the ride and then at the end of the weekend/Monday morning? I, ahem, gain the odd pound or two over the weekend.

Roastie

Headhuunter wrote:

Bhima wrote:

Headhuunter wrote:

Trains your body to burn fat apparently.

Your body doesn't need to "train" to burn fat, it already knows how to do it. :roll:

There are various threads in the road/training section with regards to bonk training. Read them and you'll realise why it's such bad idea.

I've heard differing stories about bonk training. Some say it's a bad idea as your body goes into some kind of shock and retains fat if yuo don't feed it carbs. How do I find these threads? I can't work out how to do a search for a phrase in forums...

My understanding is that it is best done for short periods just before breakfast - in other words a short <30min session; this trains the body to peferentially metabolise fats rather than relying on sugars. Longer and the body may start trying to store more fats adn you could do more harm than good.

As to the calories in-calories out argument - 100% true. But if you do train your body to metabolise fat, then you will use less sugars and in theory your appetite should adjust to compensate until a new equilibrium is reached. I'm not claiming to be an expert on this, just my understanding of it.

Gazzaputt

Shoulder of Lamb wrote:

Gazzaputt wrote:

apparently he ate no brekkie and trained to change his metabolism. Also cut sweet things from his diet. Must be more as well to it.

Bet he wasn't drinking much either.

I went to a "well man" screening recently and asked the doctor about "bonk training" (I didn't call it that). He said it was all bollocks, because basically you eat a certain number of calories a day and you burn a certain number off, if the number you burn off is greater than the number you intake, then you lose weight. It doesn't matter when you take the calories in. According to the doc, all bonk training will accomplish is to make you feel shitty.

If you want to lose weight you can:

1) reduce the amount of calories you intake each day
2) increase the amount of exercise you do each day
3) both

simples

It's about getting the body to burn it's fat more productively. You'll burn glycogen stores and then as long as you keep in a HR zone around 60-70% of max HR the body will turn to using more fat stores rather than muscle.

It is true if input exceeds output no exercise will compensate but I think the doc was missing the point.

solsurf

Just bought the carbon Felt now I need the engine to go with it.

roger_merriman

cjcp wrote:

Headhuunter wrote:

Yes, I keep hearing about this bonk training thing, going out for long rides without eating anything (much). I'm trying this, I only eat a slice of toast before the 40+ mile ride I do on Sats these days... Trains your body to burn fat apparently.

:shock: A slice of toast! Holy moly! Do you eat everything in sight after the ride?

Out of interest, do you weigh yourself before and after these rides or, say, before the ride and then at the end of the weekend/Monday morning? I, ahem, gain the odd pound or two over the weekend.

I have a habit of not eating before early rides ie before 11am shall we say, most clubruns are done with zero.

the Tour of the Black mountains was on a small bowl of cornflakes i was okay until the last few miles around the sugerloaf. not sure that i did bonk or just lack of training.

this said fueling is a good idea i'm sure i'd do better if i did.

sampras38

hamstrich wrote:

Here's a fairly long thread on the idea.

http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtop ... t=12610504

As for Wiggins' training tips, I was surprised at his recommendation for protein shakes after every ride... I'd always thought that these drinks were just for folks who want to bulk up?

Absolutely not. I'm an ex bodybuilder (many moons ago), and any form of exercise that works the muscles will require a protien fix in the first half hour or so after the session. A protien shake is one of the best options. It'll start the recovery process and you should then look to eat properly soon afterwards.

sampras38

roger merriman wrote:

cjcp wrote:

Headhuunter wrote:

Yes, I keep hearing about this bonk training thing, going out for long rides without eating anything (much). I'm trying this, I only eat a slice of toast before the 40+ mile ride I do on Sats these days... Trains your body to burn fat apparently.

:shock: A slice of toast! Holy moly! Do you eat everything in sight after the ride?

Out of interest, do you weigh yourself before and after these rides or, say, before the ride and then at the end of the weekend/Monday morning? I, ahem, gain the odd pound or two over the weekend.

I have a habit of not eating before early rides ie before 11am shall we say, most clubruns are done with zero.

the Tour of the Black mountains was on a small bowl of cornflakes i was okay until the last few miles around the sugerloaf. not sure that i did bonk or just lack of training.

this said fueling is a good idea i'm sure i'd do better if i did.

Why do you not eat before the rides? That just doesn't make any sense.

roger_merriman

sampras38 wrote:

roger merriman wrote:

cjcp wrote:

Headhuunter wrote:

Yes, I keep hearing about this bonk training thing, going out for long rides without eating anything (much). I'm trying this, I only eat a slice of toast before the 40+ mile ride I do on Sats these days... Trains your body to burn fat apparently.

:shock: A slice of toast! Holy moly! Do you eat everything in sight after the ride?

Out of interest, do you weigh yourself before and after these rides or, say, before the ride and then at the end of the weekend/Monday morning? I, ahem, gain the odd pound or two over the weekend.

I have a habit of not eating before early rides ie before 11am shall we say, most clubruns are done with zero.

the Tour of the Black mountains was on a small bowl of cornflakes i was okay until the last few miles around the sugerloaf. not sure that i did bonk or just lack of training.

this said fueling is a good idea i'm sure i'd do better if i did.

Why do you not eat before the rides? That just doesn't make any sense.

early and i can't be assed!

Headhuunter

cjcp wrote:

Headhuunter wrote:

Yes, I keep hearing about this bonk training thing, going out for long rides without eating anything (much). I'm trying this, I only eat a slice of toast before the 40+ mile ride I do on Sats these days... Trains your body to burn fat apparently.

:shock: A slice of toast! Holy moly! Do you eat everything in sight after the ride?

Out of interest, do you weigh yourself before and after these rides or, say, before the ride and then at the end of the weekend/Monday morning? I, ahem, gain the odd pound or two over the weekend.

I don't usually find I'm that hungry immediately after the ride, but hunger sets in if I don't eat within 30 mins or so. I usually stop at the cafe in Crystal Palace with other riders oin Dulwich Paragon and have a coffee and a slice or 2 of cheese on toast or something. I only really weight myself at the gym every now and then and my weight pretty much stays at exactly 80kg, it barely flutters either side of that TBH.

robthehungrymonkey

I find that i'm hungrier immediately after short rides, my ride home from work for example leaves me starving! But a few weekend ago when I rode 50 miles coming back from a night at a festival (THE most stupid thing i've ever done!) i really sufferred and could really think about eating for about an hour.