The drug scandle speculation thread?

DonDaddyD

OK, so because we kept our *Spolier*Tour de France talk *Spoilers* thread clean (pun intended) I think we should have a drug scandle thread to balance out the universe.

Defend or accuse this thread is intended as a light hearted release to throw about conspiracy and speculation....

Have fun!

DonDaddyD

Me first:

Lance Armstrong had chemo, right? Chemo destroys cells as in human cells. Shouldn't said therapy reduce the number of blood cells? Like red blood cells?

Red blood cells carry oxygen around the body. Aren't cancer patients provided with drugs to increase the blood cell count i.e. to increase their white and red blood cells? Due to their negative effects of their treatment?

Another question, if I use my asthma pump to open my lungs when commuting and SCRing (I no longer have asthma, I can blow the doctors airway pipe to 500) is that cheating?

jonginge

I must admit every time I read the "spolier" thread title I think 'holier than thou'

Rich158

Armstrong did indeed use EPO to boost his red blood cell count after his cancer treatment, as his red blood cell count was extremely low, that's been well documented, and somethig he openly admits. Did he extend the EPO use into his training and racing regime post cancer, and hide it behind the fact it was an essential drug for his recovery? I don't think we'll ever know the answer to that one.

What is certain is that riders used to sleep with alarms strapped to their chests and a set of rollers in their room. If their blood preasure dropped to low (due to excessive EPO abuse) then they'd have to jump on the bike to jump start their heart. Do we know who used to insist upon a set of rollers in their hotel room? I've not seen a list yet, but if one exists it would point the finger of suspicion all over the place.

shoulder_of_orion

As someone else has pointed out, we cannot make unsubstantiated claims against named individuals as that will open us up to libel. Contrived anonymous pseudo names or not.

Therefore, I'd like to say, they're all bleeding guilty until proven innocent.

shoulder_of_orion

Oh and by the way it's "scandal"...

jonginge

Shoulder of Lamb wrote:

Oh and by the way it's "scandal"...

Yes, but, each thread title must have a typo. It's da law

prawny

DonDaddyD wrote:

Me first:

Another question, if I use my asthma pump to open my lungs when commuting and SCRing (I no longer have asthma, I can blow the doctors airway pipe to 500) is that cheating?

Didn't Abdu cop a 3 month supension for Ventolin or something back in the early 90's?

Edit, my mistake Clenbuterol in 1997

dirk_van_gently

Indurain was busted for something, Nandrolone I think, but it was OK as it was prescribed by his doctor, there was some speculation at the time as to whether it was prescribed retrospectively or not, we'll never know.

Didn't LA also use artificial blood in his recuperation?
For sure members of his team were dirty, Hera, Hamilton, Landis, but clearly LA is as pure as the driven snow, alledgedly :-)

always_tyred

EPO is a drug developed by Amgen for cancer patients. It isn't some mysterious treatment that popped into existence for the benefit of unscrupulous athletes. Ditto CERA.

Pettachi was recently suspended for taking 5 puffs, rather than the permitted 2, of an asthma medication (for which a specific exemption was required).

Roastie

DonDaddyD wrote:

Another question, if I use my asthma pump to open my lungs when commuting and SCRing (I no longer have asthma, I can blow the doctors airway pipe to 500) is that cheating?

Assuming I get the *spirit* of the question right: It is not cheating if you get a TUE (Therapeutic Use Exemption).

Eau Rouge

Defamatory posts - some guidelines
http://www.bikeradar.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12611535

Read that sticky post from the Pro Race before posting in this one.

dirk_van_gently

Eau Rouge wrote:

Defamatory posts - some guidelines

The word "Allegedly" covers a multitude of sins, allegedly.

rolf_f

Shoulder of Lamb wrote:

As someone else has pointed out, we cannot make unsubstantiated claims against named individuals as that will open us up to libel. Contrived anonymous pseudo names or not.

I'd have thought that there is a difference in expressing something as a personal opinion than expressing something as fact.

DonDaddyD

Apart from s*x, p*rn and downloading/viewing videos, what the hell is the social interactive aspect of internet for if it can't be used for b*tching, pointing the finger and making wild accusations of famous people?

Cadel Evans - EPO to the eyeballs. What the hell was that about "physically he is fine but professional reasons he can't comment on his pour performance...."

tailwindhome

DonDaddyD wrote:

Apart from s*x, p*rn and downloading/viewing videos, what the hell is the social interactive aspect of internet for ..<snip>

Grammar and spelling lessons?

gb155

DonDaddyD wrote:

Me first:

Lance Armstrong had chemo, right? Chemo destroys cells as in human cells. Shouldn't said therapy reduce the number of blood cells? Like red blood cells?

Red blood cells carry oxygen around the body. Aren't cancer patients provided with drugs to increase the blood cell count i.e. to increase their white and red blood cells? Due to their negative effects of their treatment?

Another question, if I use my asthma pump to open my lungs when commuting and SCRing (I no longer have asthma, I can blow the doctors airway pipe to 500) is that cheating?

I had never even thought it of DdD, Its a bloody good point,however Lance is my hero so I now must insist you wash your mouth out with soap and water