Garmin Edge 705

Sewinman
Sewinman Posts: 2,131
edited July 2009 in Commuting chat
I have bought one and am waiting for it to arrive. I am also in my last week at this job and have nothing to do. So i want to create a few routes to download.

What I would like to do is appropriate some routes that have already been created and edit them so that they start outside my house. Does anyone know if this is possible? There seems to be a number of different websites about with routes on them.

Sorry if this has been done to death!
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  • Greycyclist
    Greycyclist Posts: 22
    I was given on of these earlier this year and I think I have sorted out the 'Track' system. I bought the TOPO Great Britain map for my area. I also have Memory Map for my area. I mark the 'track' on the Memory Map and then copy it to my Garmin. The route shown was better after loading the TOPO map. You can then show the 'track' or 'navigate it. I have not tried down loading any routes from this site as I have had to change them to suit my requirements.
    I hope this helps
    Greycyclist
  • il_principe
    il_principe Posts: 9,155
    I'm not sure about editing routes. I use two sites for route planning:

    BikeHike

    BikeRouteToaster

    Both allow you to save routes and also to "send" them direct to your 705. This is by far and away the best method of moving the routes over.
  • lost_in_thought
    lost_in_thought Posts: 10,563
    You can create your own routes on bikehike, bikeroutetoaster, sites like that and download straight to the 705. I also believe you can nick others' routes through Garmin Connect, which you may be able to sign up for before the 705 arrives.

    Also, I have a query... sorry for the hijack Sewinman...

    At the moment, when I use the 'where to' then 'find places' nav feature, it is taking me on the most ridiculous round-the-houses routes at the moment. I thought it might be to do with my having had 'avoid major roads' switched on, so I switched it off again, and it still tried to take me from Ealing to Richmond via Battersea, or somewhere equally silly. Any ideas what's going on?
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  • il_principe
    il_principe Posts: 9,155
    lost_in_thought wrote:

    At the moment, when I use the 'where to' then 'find places' nav feature, it is taking me on the most ridiculous round-the-houses routes at the moment. I thought it might be to do with my having had 'avoid major roads' switched on, so I switched it off again, and it still tried to take me from Ealing to Richmond via Battersea, or somewhere equally silly. Any ideas what's going on?

    Yes. You need to tell the Garmin you are a car and not a bike. Go to settings - routing - and select Car/Motorcycle from the list of options.
  • Feltup
    Feltup Posts: 1,340
    Yes it thinks you need more training distance. :D
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  • Gazzaputt
    Gazzaputt Posts: 3,227
    http://www.gpsies.com/

    Cracking site to create routes.
  • lost_in_thought
    lost_in_thought Posts: 10,563
    Il Principe wrote:
    lost_in_thought wrote:

    At the moment, when I use the 'where to' then 'find places' nav feature, it is taking me on the most ridiculous round-the-houses routes at the moment. I thought it might be to do with my having had 'avoid major roads' switched on, so I switched it off again, and it still tried to take me from Ealing to Richmond via Battersea, or somewhere equally silly. Any ideas what's going on?

    Yes. You need to tell the Garmin you are a car and not a bike. Go to settings - routing - and select Car/Motorcycle from the list of options.

    Ahhhhhhhhhh thanks muchly! I was afraid it would take me on the M11 if I told it I was a car... :shock: Would switching 'avoid major roads' back on again stop it taking me on M-Ways?

    And Feltup - it's probably right. :oops:
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  • il_principe
    il_principe Posts: 9,155
    lost_in_thought wrote:

    Ahhhhhhhhhh thanks muchly! I was afraid it would take me on the M11 if I told it I was a car... :shock: Would switching 'avoid major roads' back on again stop it taking me on M-Ways?

    I believe so, although the routing facility isn't great IME, and it can be really rubbish about finding addresses.
  • Jehannum
    Jehannum Posts: 107
    If you don't mind shelling out a couple of quid, you can download for free a prog called Quo v2. You only pay for the map tiles you want to use. You can buy them using Paypal and download them immediately. Minimum purchase is 6 tiles. At 1:25k each tile is £1.95, at 1:50k they're 99p or something. You can copy the maps to a second pc and use them there, too. For biking, 1:50k maps may be all you need. I use mine for hillwaking, so appreciate the extra detail of the 1:25k maps.

    There's also functionality to import your own maps, though I couldn't be arsed to do that.

    You can import other peeps routes and tracks in a plethora of formats, and transfer them to your mobile device as well. I'm using it with a Dell Axim X51v pda.

    You get sample maps with the free download, so you can try before you spend any money. There's also a 3D view function which works well.

    I have no affiliation with the the authors of Quo, I just like it a lot, and I'm a software tester by trade [for which read "picky bugger"] I've tried the Memory Map trial version, but the maps have to be bought in packs, rarely for less than £99, and I didn't like the GUI as much. That may just be a matter of personal taste, though.

    As you say, there's plenty of software out there...

    HTH,

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  • jpm5555
    jpm5555 Posts: 56
    Just out of curiosity, why does no-one seem to plan routes in Garmin Mapsource (assuming you have city navigator maps on your PC's)? Is it rubbish?

    I've just starting playing around with route planning for my Vista HCx.
  • il_principe
    il_principe Posts: 9,155
    jpm5555 wrote:
    Just out of curiosity, why does no-one seem to plan routes in Garmin Mapsource (assuming you have city navigator maps on your PC's)? Is it rubbish?

    I've just starting playing around with route planning for my Vista HCx.

    I have City Navigator on the Garmin. Sites like BikeHike are ideal really though.
  • spasypaddy
    spasypaddy Posts: 5,180
    jpm5555 wrote:
    Just out of curiosity, why does no-one seem to plan routes in Garmin Mapsource (assuming you have city navigator maps on your PC's)? Is it rubbish?

    I've just starting playing around with route planning for my Vista HCx.
    i use it on my pc its fantastic. not a fan of the web based ones
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  • crosstowncommuter
    crosstowncommuter Posts: 110
    jpm5555 wrote:
    Just out of curiosity, why does no-one seem to plan routes in Garmin Mapsource (assuming you have city navigator maps on your PC's)? Is it rubbish?

    I've just starting playing around with route planning for my Vista HCx.

    I have a 705 with the Topo GB maps and find the best tool for route planning is the Garmin Basecamp software (this is running on a Mac). Lets you see the route elevation profile between points on the route along with a few other nice features.

    Not sure if Basecamp can be used with the city navigator maps or not though?

    A general observation on the routing with the TopoGB maps - when set to bike, avoid major roads and "take the scenic route" options I find it works pretty well choosing direct routes but avoiding major roads.

    I think the only possible disadvantage of choosing the car routing option is the waypoint timings and ETA will probably be a bit out as will it not assume average carlike speeds on the route, rather than bike like ones?
  • il_principe
    il_principe Posts: 9,155
    crosstowncommuter wrote:
    jpm5555 wrote:
    Just out of curiosity, why does no-one seem to plan routes in Garmin Mapsource (assuming you have city navigator maps on your PC's)? Is it rubbish?

    I've just starting playing around with route planning for my Vista HCx.

    I have a 705 with the Topo GB maps and find the best tool for route planning is the Garmin Basecamp software (this is running on a Mac). Lets you see the route elevation profile between points on the route along with a few other nice features.

    But so do the online services.
    crosstowncommuter wrote:
    Not sure if Basecamp can be used with the city navigator maps or not though?

    A general observation on the routing with the TopoGB maps - when set to bike, avoid major roads and "take the scenic route" options I find it works pretty well choosing direct routes but avoiding major roads.

    I think the only possible disadvantage of choosing the car routing option is the waypoint timings and ETA will probably be a bit out as will it not assume average carlike speeds on the route, rather than bike like ones?

    Surely the Edge calculates your speed and location and gives you a live update on this? FWIW the online services allow you to enter a planned average speed as well.
  • jpm5555
    jpm5555 Posts: 56
    Thanks for the input.

    I used it this morning on the way to work with a route planned in mapsource and it worked perfectly - turn by turn directions. Top stuff.

    I have the route home on my GPS planned in bikehike - I'll see if I can notice any differences.
  • il_principe
    il_principe Posts: 9,155
    jpm5555 wrote:

    I have the route home on my GPS planned in bikehike - I'll see if I can notice any differences.

    Big difference is that with bikehike etc you won't get turn by turn directions in quite the same way. At junctions an arrow will appear indicating which way you should turn, but it won't pop up and say - turn right etc. This only happens for me if I route directly on the Garmin or I guess if you route with map source on your computer.
  • dodgy
    dodgy Posts: 2,890
    Il Principe wrote:
    jpm5555 wrote:

    I have the route home on my GPS planned in bikehike - I'll see if I can notice any differences.

    Big difference is that with bikehike etc you won't get turn by turn directions in quite the same way. At junctions an arrow will appear indicating which way you should turn, but it won't pop up and say - turn right etc. This only happens for me if I route directly on the Garmin or I guess if you route with map source on your computer.

    Not quite, if you download the route from Bikehike in gpxx format, you get full navigational functionality, just as if you'd designed the route in Mapsource.
  • Sewinman
    Sewinman Posts: 2,131
    Thanks for all the advice, now if wiggle would just get a wiggle on!
  • il_principe
    il_principe Posts: 9,155
    dodgy wrote:

    Not quite, if you download the route from Bikehike in gpxx format, you get full navigational functionality, just as if you'd designed the route in Mapsource.

    Well that I did not know, cheers!
    Sewinman wrote:
    Thanks for all the advice, now if wiggle would just get a wiggle on!

    Ooh, Wiggle eh? How much did you pay? If you don't mind me asking? It's just that I looked at Wiggle but bought from Handtec who were considerably cheaper and sent it for next day delivery...
  • Sewinman
    Sewinman Posts: 2,131
    I paid 369 quid for a special edition orange team garmin one. I just got it there cos I knew I would get all the right bits and pieces. Its free delivery but not sure how long, annoying as i wanted to use it this weekend but it seems unlikely.
  • Gazzaputt
    Gazzaputt Posts: 3,227
    What are you getting for £369?

    I paid £230 in all for a black 705, city navigator chip and cadence sensor. But bought all 3 separately though.
  • Sewinman
    Sewinman Posts: 2,131
    Here is the link

    http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/cycle/7/Garmi ... 360040221/
  • squeeler
    squeeler Posts: 144
    This link may be helpful to you, it's a thread I posted a year ago about the quirks of learning the 705 from when I'd just got mine. The only real difference is I now use bikeroutetoaster.com to plan routes.

    http://www.mtbbritain.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=9063

    Good luck with it, it's an ace bit of kit :D
  • il_principe
    il_principe Posts: 9,155
    Gazzaputt wrote:
    What are you getting for £369?

    I paid £230 in all for a black 705, city navigator chip and cadence sensor. But bought all 3 separately though.

    That sounds like excellent value. I paid around £270 for the 705, HR and city navigator I think.
  • Sewinman
    Sewinman Posts: 2,131
    Sounds like I have been properly mugged by wiggle then! :evil:
  • jonginge
    jonginge Posts: 5,945
    Don't think so. They've gone up quite a lot in the last six months. The handtec price for the performance pack is similar to wiggle's
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  • Sewinman
    Sewinman Posts: 2,131
    Cool, i dont really care. Really looking forward to confidently leaving my house for a good long ride. Am hoping it will open up a new cycling world. :)
  • dodgy
    dodgy Posts: 2,890
    Sewinman wrote:
    Cool, i dont really care. Really looking forward to confidently leaving my house for a good long ride. Am hoping it will open up a new cycling world. :)

    It will certainly do that for you, other cyclists often ask me about my Garmin Edge and I tell them that it revolutionised my passion for cycling. I now rarely ride the same route twice, unless I want to.
    Brilliant bits of kit.
  • lost_in_thought
    lost_in_thought Posts: 10,563
    squeeler wrote:
    This link may be helpful to you, it's a thread I posted a year ago about the quirks of learning the 705 from when I'd just got mine. The only real difference is I now use bikeroutetoaster.com to plan routes.

    http://www.mtbbritain.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=9063

    Good luck with it, it's an ace bit of kit :D

    Good note! I've had the 'backwards route' problem a couple of times - is there an obvious fix?
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  • squeeler
    squeeler Posts: 144
    Not that I know! :roll:
    It's only ever happened that once though, I tend to import my routes as a Course now rather than as a GPX track because they seem to work better for me.[/quote]

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