To55ers at glentress yesterday

BurtonM

grumsta wrote:

anyone who rides without a helmet cos "they're gay" is a fool. anyone who wears a helmet is sensible.

What about people who ride aggressively/go big on jumps etc? Are they taking unnecessary risks and therefore incredibly selfish? Or are they just having fun on their bikes.

if chavs want to look cool for all of 30 seconds before they come to grief on a trail thats fine by me as most have very few brain cells and the world would be a better place without thses antisocial yobos

World would be a better place without snobbish attitudes like this.

it wasnt the dressing i was bothered about, i stated that it was by means of identificatioin.

Funny how your original post didn't mention anything about their behaviour then, only what they were wearing.

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combine every post i have submitted in this thread and thats what the opening post would look like. So dont try and be cocky. How come that everybody knew what i was talking about ? There was absolutely nothing offensive about what they were wearing, read the damn post it was by means of identification. I asked the question if anybody seen them, yet people havent actually answered the question. but the likes of you have to give your little remarks dont you

passout

I've seen two people knocked out from crashing without helmet over the years (one was a mate) - wearing one has also saved me potentially serious injury once. That's enough to justify them in my book and IMO it's the only sensible decision. It is the choice of the individual though, I agree with that, even the CTC opposes the compulsory wearing of helmets.

Another point in relation to some of the above posts - even using the word CHAV is an act of snobbery. I mean even if 'class' is a factor, there are more pleasant ways of putting it. Also it is accurate? Are you sure they live in Council Houses and have ASBOs? Surely it's a form of insult, unlike more neutral terms like 'working class'. Don't get me wrong, I too have pre-conceptions too and I'm not trying to defend anyone. I'm just saying that you should be aware of your own prejudices & question them. Saying 'but CHAVs do dress like that', just underlines snobbery rather than excusing it. Anyway, even if they were CHAVS - then they were just riding bikes, not nicking them! (See I do have pre-conceptions).

However I do have some sympathy with the original post, as they weren't following trail ettiquette and were clearlu infringing on the enjoyment of other riders.

xstrathyx

chav lol (kidding mate)

supersonic wrote:

Lol, it's just that I ride with tracksuit bottoms (comfortable!), tucked into my socks (so they don't get caught in the chain) and, ahem, Nike Air Max! I do tend to wear a helmet of course!

passout

PS I secretly love CHAVs and want to be one. Not sure if I'd qualify for a council house though! Perhaps I've been watching too much Shameless!

cgarossi

To be fair, I'm with BurtonM on this.

Generally... looks like a chav? Is a chav! And the attitude that comes with it. So no need to jump on his back and getting all lefty about the plight of the 'working class' and all that bollocks.

Fair do's BurtonM, you stick to your guns so good on ya. I would of had the same reaction if I saw what you did. If that makes me a snob? So what. I'll exercise that right, just as Chavs see fit to exercise their right to be complete assholes.

passout

cgarossi wrote:

To be fair, I'm with BurtonM on this.

Generally... looks like a chav? Is a chav! And the attitude that comes with it. So no need to jump on his back and getting all lefty about the plight of the 'working class' and all that bollocks.

Fair do's BurtonM, you stick to your guns so good on ya. I would of had the same reaction if I saw what you did. If that makes me a snob? So what. I'll exercise that right, just as Chavs see fit to exercise their right to be complete assholes.

Nobody has mentioned the plight of the working classes, in fact most people haven't even used that term. Also left wing or right wing isn't the issue (I'm a Telegrapgh reader myself!) I agree that it's your right to be snob and call people names behind their backs...even if it reflects badly on you.

cgarossi

Seems to me what you really wanted to say is " there were some working class people on bikes out on my trail and I didn't like it "'.

Well you should take a good hard look at yourself, there's plenty of people out to slate and knock mountain bike riders without us arguing with ourselves.

There you go.

It's a load of crap. The OP has been taken out of context completely I think. As much as I think everyone is entitled to do as they please within reason, I dont think BurtonM was trying to dig at their 'class', thats ridiculous. Just the fact they were assholes perhaps.

gk141054

Northwind wrote:

Now knees... knees are fragile, exposed and weight bearing, and after hands they're the location mountain bikers injure the most. But there are relatively few kneepad nazis. You're much more likely to suffer a crippling knee or hand injury than a crippling brain injury, we're talking orders of magnitude here.

Know what you're saying matey, but i'm yet to read of anyone dying from a knee injury.

Yukon Lad

not wearing a helmet while on a dedicated mountainbike trail is absolutely retarded, hit a rock with your head after coming off at speed and the likelihood is that you will be killed or be mentally handicapped for the rest of your life due to brain damage, brain damage is cauised by the brain bouncing of the inside of the skull, a helmet absorbs the impact that produces the movement of the brain and therefore protects from brain damage, helmets will also help reduce the impact produced by headbutting a rock, therefore helping prevent fractures to the skull. HELMETS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT PEICE OF KIT YOU WILL EVER OWN.

And just to mention kneepads are a great idea as well as just as someone has mentioned before you can easily be crippled by a crash onto the knees. Also hands are easily damaged, because of the complexity of all the different bones hand surgery can be as complex as brain surgery.

Yukon Lad

busta gonad

bigchazrocks wrote:

passout wrote:

I agree with some of what you say but not wearing a helmet is bl**dy stupid, whatever class you are!

Ok, so I'm a working-class guy. I'm in the Army, and for my ride into work, I DONT wear a helmet :shock:

It's MY choice. Call it stupid, but I look stupid wearing it, for the 5 minute ride. And yes, looks ARE important. If I look like a tool, I'll get treated as one by my seniors / superiors. Which inturn, GREATLY lessens my chance of promotion. Like it or not.

Because I'm a adult, I can risk-assess the ride, and I deem it safe enough to not wear a helmet. Hope that's alrite with you helmet-Nazis! :shock:

You could always wear a GI's helmet slightly tilted with born to kill embellished on the side.

delcol

chavs lol....
does anyone actually know what the phrase chav means it's not offensive it's just taken on a whole knew meaning in recent years...
like, gay i'm feeling very gay today (doesn't mean i want to turn to the dark side and bat for the other team)

were these dissrespectful tracksuit clad riders on rental bikes by any chance...

i seen it at llandegla people on rental bikes with no regard for anyone else trail hogging stopping in stupid places not moving to let faster riders through.

i seen it in whistler bike park people who clearly should not be on that grade trail risking others safety..

as for helmets it's riders choice.. if you had seen the crash my stepdaughter had a few years back you would all wear a helmet, it saved her life,
i personally always wear my helmet weather its a road trip to work or a day in the hills..

robmanic1

If I was a chav, I wouldn't wear a helmet

scotto

passout wrote:

scotto wrote:

Not everyone wants to wear a helmet and that's a freedom we can all enjoy.

Sounds to me like you were having a bad day and started to enjoy looking down on others as a way of making yourself feel superior.

It's snobbery and the extreme use of sterotypical views like yours which further segregates sections of society from moving forward thus creating unity.

Seems to me what you really wanted to say is " there were some working class people on bikes out on my trail and I didn't like it "'.

Well you should take a good hard look at yourself, there's plenty of people out to slate and knock mountain bike riders without us arguing with ourselves.

I agree with some of what you say but not wearing a helmet is bl**dy stupid, whatever class you are!

Yes that is also my opinion and I always wear one myself, but as mentioned you have the freedom of choice and that is also important.

As is the ability to live alongside others who are different from what you are, which is what burton seems to have issues with.

BurtonM

completely wrong. Dont be a knob all your life scotto. If you peddaled up hill for 3 hours and the bit of downhill youd been looking forward to is ruined by people with no mannors youd be pi55ed too. Even more pi55ed that if you continued your dowhnill you could seriously injure yourself and others. so no i dont have an issue with differences, i have an issue with bad mannors

Cheshley

to mirror a post I made elsewhere on this forum, in my experience people who don't wear a helmet do so with the justification of 'I never fall off'. This seems a bit silly to me because the same people who don't protect their heads on the theory that it'll never happen to them, also carry puncture repair kits "just in case"

Go figure.....

joolsburger

I have been riding off road MTB for almost 20 years started in 1989 when I was 19 and go out to the alps and whatnot 3 or 4 times a year so I'm a decent rider with plenty of skills and experience.

Last Thursday on the dark gully at the very bottom of summer lightning on Leith Hill I was spinning out in top gear on a trail I know like the back of my hand when it went pear shaped and I hit the deck - Hard.

My helmet was smashed up pretty badly big bruises to my knee and shoulder still dont know quite what went wrong. I do know that I'd be gibbering into my mush if it wasn't for one of Bells finest.

There is a big sharp pointy rock sticking out of one of the vents that would have brained me for sure. At least a fractured skull more likely something worse.

Personally I still don't wear one on the towpaths or when I'm off to the shop but on the trails I'd say you're mental if you don't. I think it should be a condition of riding at the trail centres.

Johnny Napalm

I saw a guy recently, on one of the DH sections in Wharncliffe, who had chosen to wear no helmet...but he was wearing knee/shin guards! :?

Aldo001

If he was at Glentress they would have been NEDs not chavs if azything :P
But anyway... I only wear a helmet when on the trails, I dont wear one on my ride to/from school every day
BurtonM: those guys sound like right d1cks to be honest, I hate inconsiderate people like that on trails

Stoo61

Went upto Glentress with a mate who is fairly keen on cycling but not as much as me, he has a fairly rigid Orange Gringo and doesnt wear a helmet. Going down Spooky Wood he only had one of his rim brakes working....he survived and loved it. I know myself that its a fairly stupid thing to do, the risk is just too great not to wear a helmet given what could happen especially at those speeds and with that amount of trees.

...theres also the expense that could be averted from a helicopter and ambulances having to be called out....but then again he pays his taxes....nothing I say is going to make him wear a helmet, it will be a live (hopefully) and learn thing I think.


Oh and Neds are arseholes, lets be honest, they ruin good things...perhaps one day, Glentress will be one of those things. Lets hope not.

grumsta

Another point in relation to some of the above posts - even using the word CHAV is an act of snobbery. I mean even if 'class' is a factor, there are more pleasant ways of putting it. Also it is accurate? Are you sure they live in Council Houses and have ASBOs? Surely it's a form of insult, unlike more neutral terms like 'working class'. Don't get me wrong, I too have pre-conceptions too and I'm not trying to defend anyone. I'm just saying that you should be aware of your own prejudices & question them. Saying 'but CHAVs do dress like that', just underlines snobbery rather than excusing it. Anyway, even if they were CHAVS - then they were just riding bikes, not nicking them! (See I do have pre-conceptions).

Here here.

fatlad

If im having fun on the trails, I couldnt give a monkeys fart what anybody else is doing/wearing/saying/moaning about If someone gets in my way... i have handlebars to steer around them....

Far too much worrying about other types/classes/sections of riding society are doing on this forum 8)


But lets be honest... chav scum need to be put on a big ship and sunk in the atlantic. Tell them that they can get extra income support if they take a "fatlad cruise" :twisted:

BurtonM

fatlad, i thought for a minute you were going to post a civilised post. then the last paragraph came and completely blew it. I lolled. I dont neccesarily agree but i pi55ed myself.

fatlad

Ah mate, believe me, life is too short. The incomprehensibly small percentage of my life that I spend on my bike WILL NOT be marred by anybody.

I dont care what anyone thinks about what im doing/wearing/pushing up.

Bike time = therapy. End of.

Don't get me started on chavs mind. If I was on "lazy fuckers cant be arsed to get out of bed and seek a job allowance" i would be spending it on a 36 month interest free Spicy 916.

I *think* my point is - maybe we sometimes care a little bit too much about peripheral nonsense and forget that bikes are shiny and fun.

fatlad

My last post should be copied and pasted into the majority of "differences of opinions" that exist in some threads before the topic is locked.


Just kidding

FSR Si

So what exactly is a chav?

geordiefreerider

BurtonM "92% of teenagers have turned to rap. If your one of the 8% that still listens to real music put this in your sig."

:roll:

scotto

BurtonM wrote:

completely wrong. Dont be a knob all your life scotto. If you peddaled up hill for 3 hours and the bit of downhill youd been looking forward to is ruined by people with no mannors youd be pi55ed too. Even more pi55ed that if you continued your dowhnill you could seriously injure yourself and others. so no i dont have an issue with differences, i have an issue with bad mannors

If I am a knob then you are a complete and utter cnut.

Nik_B

FSR Si wrote:

So what exactly is a chav?

http://cornerstonegroup.files.wordpress ... /chavs.jpg

grumsta

completely wrong. Dont be a knob all your life scotto. If you peddaled up hill for 3 hours and the bit of downhill youd been looking forward to is ruined by people with no mannors youd be pi55ed too. Even more pi55ed that if you continued your dowhnill you could seriously injure yourself and others. so no i dont have an issue with differences, i have an issue with bad mannors

Any issues with bad spelling?

skullthaw

those are the kind of guys that would try to steal stuff from you and or just get in the way and be bl**dy rude if you asked them to let you through

oh yeah and rap is aweful!!! :twisted: