Can Cav get beaten?
GreenJersey
Posts: 22
I was just wondering if any of you think Cavendish can getbeaten?
I don't but you probably know more then me
I'm new so post something!
I don't but you probably know more then me
I'm new so post something!
0
Comments
-
He can be beaten, there's a lot of variables what go into a sprint, However, he's the best around at the mo so it's gona be tough,0
-
Mmmmm. The post topic says can Cav get beaten. Yet the Poll asks who is the best sprinter? :?:Expertly coached by http://www.vitessecyclecoaching.co.uk/
http://vineristi.wordpress.com - the blog for Viner owners and lovers!0 -
Another daft question: the record for tour stage wins is 34 by Merckx (Eddy, not Axel). Can Cav win 25 more TdF stages? He's only a youngster.0
-
Who voted Boonen?!?!
I know I'm a big Boonen fan but it certainly wasn't me!Note: the above post is an opinion and not fact. It might be a lie.0 -
Here's the number of Tour de France stages those guys have won and their respective ages.
McEwen - 12 stage wins - 37 years old
Cavendish - 10 stage wins - 24 years old
Hushovd - 7 stage wins - 31 years old
Boonen - 6 stage wins - 28 years old
Petacchi - 4 stage wins - 35 years old
Bennati - 2 stage wins - 28 years old
Farrar - 0 stage wins - 25 years old
Ciolek - 0 stage wins - 22 years old
Cavendish has 15 Grand tour stage wins in total but still has a long way to go before he matches McEwen (24 wins) and Petacchi (44 wins).
Has time on his side though.
0 -
GreenJersey wrote:I was just wondering if any of you think Cavendish can getbeaten?
I don't but you probably know more then me
I'm new so post something!
Cavendish alone or with Team Columbia?0 -
How about Renshaw - he got closest yesterday? Carlsberg don't make cycle clothing, but if they did it would probably still not be as good as Assos0
-
Quite Frankly wrote:Here's the number of Tour de France stages those guys have won and their respective ages.
McEwen - 12 stage wins - 37 years old
Cavendish - 10 stage wins - 24 years old
Hushovd - 7 stage wins - 31 years old
Boonen - 6 stage wins - 28 years old
Petacchi - 4 stage wins - 35 years old
Bennati - 2 stage wins - 28 years old
Farrar - 0 stage wins - 25 years old
Ciolek - 0 stage wins - 22 years old
Cavendish has 15 Grand tour stage wins in total but still has a long way to go before he matches McEwen (24 wins) and Petacchi (44 wins).
Has time on his side though.
And even further to go to match Super Mario's 57 GT stage victories.It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.0 -
For pure speed I think Cav and Petacchi are the top men - with Cav having a better jump - Farrar is up there too but seems to lack the bottle/bike handling/positional sense to get the results.
it's a hard life if you don't weaken.0 -
Who voted Boonen?!?!
Come on - who is faster along a white line than Boonen??? It's Tommeke by a nose! 0 -
SteppenHerring wrote:Another daft question: the record for tour stage wins is 34 by Merckx (Eddy, not Axel). Can Cav win 25 more TdF stages? He's only a youngster.
He CAN. But not sure he WILL.
It will be harder each year to dominate the way he has. Other teams may start to build lead-out trains similar to Columbia's to launch their sprint men off the front. No guarantee that Columbia will continue to focus on sprint wins and maintain THEIR train in coming years.
He could crash, get slower, others may improve, etc, etc.
Too many variables to say for certain, but if he gets 5 wins a year - would only take him 5 years to beat that record. But I think it may be wishful thinking.0 -
Pokerface wrote:SteppenHerring wrote:Another daft question: the record for tour stage wins is 34 by Merckx (Eddy, not Axel). Can Cav win 25 more TdF stages? He's only a youngster.
He CAN. But not sure he WILL.
It will be harder each year to dominate the way he has. Other teams may start to build lead-out trains similar to Columbia's to launch their sprint men off the front. No guarantee that Columbia will continue to focus on sprint wins and maintain THEIR train in coming years.
He could crash, get slower, others may improve, etc, etc.
Too many variables to say for certain, but if he gets 5 wins a year - would only take him 5 years to beat that record. But I think it may be wishful thinking.
Undoubtedly the Columbia train make Cav's job a hell of a lot easier, but without it I think he'd still have won several stages this year. His jump is so good that I could see him coming off Hushovd or Farrar's wheel to win stages even without the best lead out train in the Tour.
Cav's positioning in the final 500 metres is exceptional, he hardly ever gets boxed in, and seems able to launch himself through the tiniest of gaps to sprint for the line.0 -
I think a couple of years of this and Columbia HTC will have milked it for all its worth, PR wise. Their lack of ANY GC challenge this year went unremarked due to Evans & Menchov, but you can't be considered a 'top' TdF team outside of Italy without GC ambitions I reckon. So maybe less of a train in future years?___________________
Strava is not Zen.0 -
Should think Columbia will keep their train mostly because it's a great way to get guaranteed exposure. Hopefully as he gets older he can win multiple green jerseys and even a ciclamino one. Perhaps if he's feeling adventurous a blue jersey in the Vuelta.
Hopefully he could win some more classics but we will see how he develops as a rider.You live and learn. At any rate, you live0 -
calvjones wrote:I think a couple of years of this and Columbia HTC will have milked it for all its worth, PR wise. Their lack of ANY GC challenge this year went unremarked due to Evans & Menchov, but you can't be considered a 'top' TdF team outside of Italy without GC ambitions I reckon. So maybe less of a train in future years?
Totally. Unlike the other teams with sprinters columbia had very little GC with probably Kirchen or monfort being the allrounders perhaps.
Its obvious though Tony Martin is the next big thing for columbia and when they need to build a team around both sprint and GC maybe then Cav is left with a lead out train of 3 or possibly 4 and will this make a bigger difference. There is always with great success a limit to the amount of time that success lasts in the same way i.e. the mix of the team changes may require an adjustment in tactics or the way it works. You see it in football all the time and it is no different here. I am sure wherever cav goes while he is young he will be able to work with a decent lead out and do really well but how he reacts when the train isn't so good or he doesn't have the same level of raw power will be where you see how truely great he can be.0 -
Where does he go for the rest of the season? Tour of Britain? Will he go for Paris Tours just to round it off completely?
And in the future, will he stay as a sprinter or will he try and turn himself into a Classics rider like Boonen has, or more of an all rounder like Freire.
Incidentally, what's the record in the last few years (since, say the 90s) for wins in a career? I think Robbie Mac is up near 150, and Cav's got 50 or so at the moment.0 -
Cav will never go the way of o grady or boonen etc think he will see out a career of sprinting like McCwen or zabel.
HE got a few tours left )ireland I think) but no doubt now he is getting big money offers for the post TdF criteriums round europe which is where he will make major money for the next few weeks.0 -
Garmin tried that in the tour and they didn't even get close, especially on the Champs-ÉlyséesTakeTheHighRoad wrote:He can be beaten, there's a lot of variables what go into a sprint, However, he's the best around at the mo so it's gona be tough,0 -
GreenJersey wrote:
Garmin tried that in the tour and they didn't even get close, especially on the Champs-ÉlyséesTakeTheHighRoad wrote:He can be beaten, there's a lot of variables what go into a sprint, However, he's the best around at the mo so it's gona be tough,
The only reason the Champs sprint wasn't a contest, is because Garmin bolloxed up the final corner and cut off everyone. Giving Cav and Renshaw open water to the finish line.
Might have been different if they could have actually held their line round that last corner....0 -
TakeTheHighRoad wrote:Incidentally, what's the record in the last few years (since, say the 90s) for wins in a career? I think Robbie Mac is up near 150, and Cav's got 50 or so at the moment.
Cipollini had 191 wins according to Wikipedia. Zabel's got to be up there too.
And as for the poll, Andre Greipel's better than half those listed.Twitter: @RichN950 -
RichN95 wrote:TakeTheHighRoad wrote:Incidentally, what's the record in the last few years (since, say the 90s) for wins in a career? I think Robbie Mac is up near 150, and Cav's got 50 or so at the moment.
Cipollini had 191 wins according to Wikipedia. Zabel's got to be up there too.
And as for the poll, Andre Greipel's better than half those listed.
zabel has 192 according to wikipedia0 -
Pokerface wrote:GreenJersey wrote:
Garmin tried that in the tour and they didn't even get close, especially on the Champs-ÉlyséesTakeTheHighRoad wrote:He can be beaten, there's a lot of variables what go into a sprint, However, he's the best around at the mo so it's gona be tough,
The only reason the Champs sprint wasn't a contest, is because Garmin bolloxed up the final corner and cut off everyone. Giving Cav and Renshaw open water to the finish line.
Might have been different if they could have actually held their line round that last corner....
Agreed, but if my memories are correct the sprint on the Champs-Élysées is often won by a surprisingly big margin. A combination of the final corner, the uphill drag and " I've lost the wheel - sod it"??We\'ll kick against the darkness \'till it bleeds daylight0 -
mandie wrote:Pokerface wrote:GreenJersey wrote:
Garmin tried that in the tour and they didn't even get close, especially on the Champs-ÉlyséesTakeTheHighRoad wrote:He can be beaten, there's a lot of variables what go into a sprint, However, he's the best around at the mo so it's gona be tough,
The only reason the Champs sprint wasn't a contest, is because Garmin bolloxed up the final corner and cut off everyone. Giving Cav and Renshaw open water to the finish line.
Might have been different if they could have actually held their line round that last corner....
Agreed, but if my memories are correct the sprint on the Champs-Élysées is often won by a surprisingly big margin. A combination of the final corner, the uphill drag and " I've lost the wheel - sod it"??
Wouldn't the uphill drag favour somebody like thor Hushovd more than cav even without as good a lead out0
