Oi! Tw@t!

Dudu
Dudu Posts: 4,637
edited July 2009 in Commuting chat
This morning. Me, 400m from my front door, approaching green traffic lights on Wandsworth Rd (London SW8) from the north, accelerating towards 20mph after starting from junction 50m further back.

Mr RLJ decides to wander out of Lansdowne Way (the road on my left), not looking in any particular direction, on collision course with me. Usual cr@p London commuter appearance, flat bars, rucksack with "The Hump" written on it, racing kit. All the gear and no idea.

"Oi! Tw@t!" says I.

@ck off!" says he.

The cheek of these idiots is beyond belief. Bang to rights, endangering another road user and he still thinks he has the right to abuse his potential victim. Would he have done that if I'd been in my car?

Sheeeesh.
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  • spen666
    spen666 Posts: 17,709
    Dudu wrote:
    This morning. Me, 400m from my front door, approaching green traffic lights on Wandsworth Rd (London SW8) from the north, accelerating towards 20mph after starting from junction 50m further back.

    Mr RLJ decides to wander out of Lansdowne Way (the road on my left), not looking in any particular direction, on collision course with me. Usual cr@p London commuter appearance, flat bars, rucksack with "The Hump" written on it, racing kit. All the gear and no idea.

    "Oi! Tw@t!" says I.

    @ck off!" says he.

    The cheek of these idiots is beyond belief. Bang to rights, endangering another road user and he still thinks he has the right to abuse his potential victim. Would he have done that if I'd been in my car?

    Sheeeesh.

    By the account you have posted, you start the verbal abuse
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  • il_principe
    il_principe Posts: 9,155
    spen666 wrote:
    Dudu wrote:
    This morning. Me, 400m from my front door, approaching green traffic lights on Wandsworth Rd (London SW8) from the north, accelerating towards 20mph after starting from junction 50m further back.

    Mr RLJ decides to wander out of Lansdowne Way (the road on my left), not looking in any particular direction, on collision course with me. Usual cr@p London commuter appearance, flat bars, rucksack with "The Hump" written on it, racing kit. All the gear and no idea.

    "Oi! Tw@t!" says I.

    @ck off!" says he.

    The cheek of these idiots is beyond belief. Bang to rights, endangering another road user and he still thinks he has the right to abuse his potential victim. Would he have done that if I'd been in my car?

    Sheeeesh.

    By the account you have posted, you start the verbal abuse

    No he didn't, he simply vocalised a FACT.

    FACT.
  • Dudu
    Dudu Posts: 4,637
    spen666 wrote:
    Dudu wrote:
    This morning. Me, 400m from my front door, approaching green traffic lights on Wandsworth Rd (London SW8) from the north, accelerating towards 20mph after starting from junction 50m further back.

    Mr RLJ decides to wander out of Lansdowne Way (the road on my left), not looking in any particular direction, on collision course with me. Usual cr@p London commuter appearance, flat bars, rucksack with "The Hump" written on it, racing kit. All the gear and no idea.

    "Oi! Tw@t!" says I.

    @ck off!" says he.

    The cheek of these idiots is beyond belief. Bang to rights, endangering another road user and he still thinks he has the right to abuse his potential victim. Would he have done that if I'd been in my car?

    Sheeeesh.

    By the account you have posted, you start the verbal abuse

    No he didn't, he simply vocalised a FACT.

    FACT.

    Muchas gracias, Principe.

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  • lost_in_thought
    lost_in_thought Posts: 10,563
    I used to enjoy shouting DING DING DING DING at pedestrians...
  • Aidy
    Aidy Posts: 2,015
    To be fair, you've just hurled abuse at him.

    Right or wrong, he's likely to respond in kind. That's just how people work.
  • Aidy
    Aidy Posts: 2,015
    I used to enjoy shouting DING DING DING DING at pedestrians...

    I did yell "beep beep" at a car the other day :)
  • il_principe
    il_principe Posts: 9,155
    I used to enjoy shouting DING DING DING DING at pedestrians...

    Much like Greg still enjoys shouting "DING DONG" at females.
  • Kieran_Burns
    Kieran_Burns Posts: 9,757
    I used to enjoy shouting DING DING DING DING at pedestrians...


    Highly appropriate as the computer game that did this was called "You don't know jack!" :D
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  • Dudu
    Dudu Posts: 4,637
    Aidy wrote:
    To be fair, you've just hurled abuse at him.

    Right or wrong, he's likely to respond in kind. That's just how people work.

    When you're about hit someone amidships at getting on for 20mph, and they just keep on going illegally and oblivious to your presence, you don't have much time to think about what to shout.

    And he was a tw@t, anyway. Otherwise he wouldn't have RLJ'd, especially without checking both ways for traffic.
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  • Aidy
    Aidy Posts: 2,015
    Dudu wrote:
    When you're about hit someone amidships at getting on for 20mph, and they just keep on going illegally and oblivious to your presence, you don't have much time to think about what to shout.

    And he was a tw@t, anyway. Otherwise he wouldn't have RLJ'd, especially without checking both ways for traffic.

    I don't disagree, but you've responded instinctively, and then he's responded instinctively in turn. Whilst it might not be kosher to swear at someone when you're in the wrong, I can understand the response.
  • Chewy Cheeks
    Chewy Cheeks Posts: 234
    So some of us do impressions of bikes with bells and motor vehicle horns to rebuke unthoughtful pedestrians or roadusers......- at least the prospect of series of RLJ tales has been avoided.

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  • spen666
    spen666 Posts: 17,709
    ...
    No he didn't, he simply vocalised a FACT.

    FACT.


    Whether or not it is a fact or not, the OP was the first person to use verbal abuse. It ill behoves the OP to use verbal abuse and then complain when he gets verbal abuse back

    to be honest, IMHO the verbal abuse is irrelevant, its the illegal and dangerous act of the other party that is at issue
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  • Porgy
    Porgy Posts: 4,525
    spen666 wrote:
    Dudu wrote:
    This morning. Me, 400m from my front door, approaching green traffic lights on Wandsworth Rd (London SW8) from the north, accelerating towards 20mph after starting from junction 50m further back.

    Mr RLJ decides to wander out of Lansdowne Way (the road on my left), not looking in any particular direction, on collision course with me. Usual cr@p London commuter appearance, flat bars, rucksack with "The Hump" written on it, racing kit. All the gear and no idea.

    "Oi! Tw@t!" says I.

    @ck off!" says he.

    The cheek of these idiots is beyond belief. Bang to rights, endangering another road user and he still thinks he has the right to abuse his potential victim. Would he have done that if I'd been in my car?

    Sheeeesh.

    By the account you have posted, you start the verbal abuse

    +1

    Calling someone a tw@t is never going to be the start of a constructive verbal exchange.
  • Greg T
    Greg T Posts: 3,266

    Much like Greg still enjoys shouting "DING DONG" at females.

    Shouting?

    Not sure about that old boy.

    I merely look playfully over my Martini / Can of Carlings Export at her and say as languidly as I can when battered and in the presence of her soon to be ex boyfriend.

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  • Agent57
    Agent57 Posts: 2,300
    I usually just make do with OI!

    Sometimes I back it up with something like "are your eyes painted on? Retard." Not very PC, I know.

    Yesterday I also pointed out that the pedestrian/cyclepath I use is not a bridleway, after I'd dinged my bell at 3 people on horseback, and one pulled to the side - then just as I was about to go through the gap in the middle, he suddenly decided he'd go the other way instead. :x
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  • salsarider79
    salsarider79 Posts: 828
    I heard a friend shout "Dingus Dongus" at various people along the ride, as well as announcing loudly a different place name to where we were cycling, amoung other slightly ruder comments. It's only human nature.

    TBH I think most people (if honest) would have answered the same as 'that tw@t'.
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  • cjcp
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    TBH I think most people (if honest) would have answered the same as 'that tw@t'.

    Possibly, possibly not. If they know they've done something wrong/illegal, an immediate response along the lines used by said tw@t suggests to me that they knew it and didn't give a hoot. If you don't know you're in the wrong, you might be more restrained and give a quizzical look or say "what?".

    I'm no angel though and would have most probably used the same language as Dudu, especially if I'm having a bad day. :oops:
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  • il_principe
    il_principe Posts: 9,155
    spen666 wrote:
    It ill behoves the OP to use verbal abuse

    :lol: @ Behoves.
  • DonDaddyD
    DonDaddyD Posts: 12,689
    If some shouts verbal abuse at me most of the time I react in kind.

    "For every reaction there is an equal amount of reaction."

    "If you approach someone aggressively they are going to either respond defensively or just as aggressively or even more so and your response will either be equal to or more than.... "

    Have you gone cross-eyed yet?

    LOOK!

    Fact is the guy was a Tw@t and being a tw@t responding as a tw@t would, aggressively even though he was clearly in the wrong while doing something that is a danger to himself and others.

    Lets put it behind us and move on...
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  • CiB
    CiB Posts: 6,098
    Agent57 wrote:
    Yesterday I also pointed out that the pedestrian/cyclepath I use is not a bridleway, after I'd dinged my bell at 3 people on horseback, and one pulled to the side - then just as I was about to go through the gap in the middle, he suddenly decided he'd go the other way instead. :x

    Sure it was the rider that decided on the manouevre? Don't spook the horse...

    Always best to give an oss a good 20 foot of space if poss. If nothing else you'll get a cheery smile & a wave from the girl riding it.
  • Deadeye Duck
    Deadeye Duck Posts: 419
    Greg T wrote:

    Much like Greg still enjoys shouting "DING DONG" at females.

    Shouting?

    Not sure about that old boy.

    I merely look playfully over my Martini / Can of Carlings Export at her and say as languidly as I can when battered and in the presence of her soon to be ex boyfriend.

    "Ding Dong Princess - you are bang on"
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  • DonDaddyD
    DonDaddyD Posts: 12,689
    Agent57 wrote:

    Yesterday I also pointed out that the pedestrian/cyclepath I use is not a bridleway, after I'd dinged my bell at 3 people on horseback, and one pulled to the side - then just as I was about to go through the gap in the middle, he suddenly decided he'd go the other way instead. :x

    When I learned to drive there was one simple rule.

    Never spook a horse. Ever.

    The same rule applies when on a bike arguably even more so.
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  • Dudu
    Dudu Posts: 4,637
    DonDaddyD wrote:
    Agent57 wrote:

    Yesterday I also pointed out that the pedestrian/cyclepath I use is not a bridleway, after I'd dinged my bell at 3 people on horseback, and one pulled to the side - then just as I was about to go through the gap in the middle, he suddenly decided he'd go the other way instead. :x

    When I learned to drive there was one simple rule.

    Never spook a horse. Ever.

    The same rule applies when on a bike arguably even more so.

    +1
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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,392
    Dudu wrote:
    DonDaddyD wrote:
    Agent57 wrote:

    Yesterday I also pointed out that the pedestrian/cyclepath I use is not a bridleway, after I'd dinged my bell at 3 people on horseback, and one pulled to the side - then just as I was about to go through the gap in the middle, he suddenly decided he'd go the other way instead. :x

    When I learned to drive there was one simple rule.

    Never spook a horse. Ever.

    The same rule applies when on a bike arguably even more so.

    +1

    +2

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  • Agent57
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    Sure it was the rider that decided on the manouevre? Don't spook the horse...

    Always best to give an oss a good 20 foot of space if poss. If nothing else you'll get a cheery smile & a wave from the girl riding it.

    I'm pretty sure it was the rider. I was still a good 20m behind them (but closing, hence saying I was about to go through the gap). I don't think I was close enough to spook the horse, since the bike is silent. If I'd suddenly appeared beside him at 20mph, yeah, I'd think it was my fault or the horse's. Besides, I reckon I can tell when a rider is pulling a rein to steer his horse.

    Out on the open road, on my bike ot motorcycle, I give them a wide berth and slow down. Can't give more than 2 or 3 feet of space on the path though. It's only about 6 feet across, and the horse takes up most of that.

    That's probably one of the reasons why it has signs on it prohibiting horses & riders.
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  • Agent57
    Agent57 Posts: 2,300
    DonDaddyD wrote:
    Never spook a horse. Ever.

    I don't think I did spook the horse. It wasn't even the closest of the three - it was the lead horse. It didn't do any of the things I'd expect a surprised horse to do (like jerk its head, or move erratically).

    Anyway, they shouldn't have been there in the first place. They're like RLJers or cyclists who ride on pavements.
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  • antfly
    antfly Posts: 3,276
    I think the op was showing admirable restraint calling the offender a t#at, what was he suposed to say, "I say old chap, awfully sorry to mention it but you obviously didn`t notice that red light" ?
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  • Porgy
    Porgy Posts: 4,525
    antfly wrote:
    I think the op was showing admirable restraint calling the offender a t#at, what was he suposed to say, "I say old chap, awfully sorry to mention it but you obviously didn`t notice that red light" ?

    Calling someone a tw@t is fine, but then being surprised that he's told to f*ck off!?! :?
  • antfly
    antfly Posts: 3,276
    When he is so obviously in the wrong the tw#t should just take it and shut up.
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  • blu3cat
    blu3cat Posts: 1,016
    antfly wrote:
    When he is so obviously in the wrong the tw#t should just take it and shut up.

    agreed, but he's a tw@t, so he wouldn't.
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