Cyclists are hypocrits

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  • jonginge
    jonginge Posts: 5,945
    edited July 2009
    DonDaddyD wrote:
    In the other thread or it might be this one someone pointed out that wearing a helmet is in fact law. - Though I could be wrong.

    If I'm riding more than 20mph in Richmond park the police can pull you over.
    Nope, not law. HC says should wear a helmet not MUST wear a helmet. Also says you should wear hi-viz but fark that.
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  • Agent57
    Agent57 Posts: 2,300
    DonDaddyD wrote:
    In the other thread or it might be this one someone pointed out that wearing a helmet is in fact law. - Though I could be wrong.

    If I'm riding more than 20mph in Richmond park the police can pull you over.

    Wearing a helmet isn't law. The Highway Code says "you should", rather than "you must" and citing a law. Thus it's only a recommendation.

    Royal Parks have their own laws, I believe. On the public roads, the speed limits apply specifically to motorised vehicles. A cyclist doing 35mph on a 30mph road couldn't be done for speeding (although he might get done for riding recklessly or something like that).
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  • lost_in_thought
    lost_in_thought Posts: 10,563
    prawny wrote:
    lost_in_thought wrote:
    prawny wrote:
    DonDaddyD wrote:
    Porgy wrote:
    I ask myself every day - how would Jesus cycle?



    You are aware that LiT owns a pair of those and rides in them regularly....

    Are you suggesting DDD that LiT is the Holy Grail?

    Erm, I think you'll find I'm actually the Messiah. :D

    I was thinking Holy Grail in a decendant of Chris dan brown style and also a burd what likes bikes too.

    Double meaning innit 8)

    Ahhhh, I see!

    Well, in that case, I think you're entirely correct... 8)
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  • blu3cat
    blu3cat Posts: 1,016
    If I'm riding more than 20mph in Richmond park the police can pull you over.

    and given the number of people on the 3 lap RP challenge who post average speeds exceeding 20 mph, there are quite a few people breaking the speed limit.

    Has anyone actually been pulled over by the police for speeding round RP?
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  • Porgy
    Porgy Posts: 4,525
    lost_in_thought wrote:
    prawny wrote:
    lost_in_thought wrote:
    prawny wrote:
    DonDaddyD wrote:
    Porgy wrote:
    I ask myself every day - how would Jesus cycle?



    You are aware that LiT owns a pair of those and rides in them regularly....

    Are you suggesting DDD that LiT is the Holy Grail?

    Erm, I think you'll find I'm actually the Messiah. :D

    I was thinking Holy Grail in a decendant of Chris dan brown style and also a burd what likes bikes too.

    Double meaning innit 8)

    Ahhhh, I see!

    Well, in that case, I think you're entirely correct... 8)

    Are you really a direct descendant of Christ then?


    Wow!! :shock:
  • prawny
    prawny Posts: 5,440
    No she's a direct descendant of Chris. Whover he/she is :lol:
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  • Porgy
    Porgy Posts: 4,525
    prawny wrote:
    No she's a direct descendant of Chris. Whover he/she is :lol:

    The Biggins? :shock:
  • Sirius631
    Sirius631 Posts: 991
    Porgy wrote:
    I ask myself every day - how would Jesus cycle?

    Jesus was a bl**dy pedestrian, except when he rode a donkey. Not saying that he rode the donkey recklessly, but everyone cleared the path for him on his ride into Jerusalem. :lol:
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  • prawny
    prawny Posts: 5,440
    Porgy wrote:
    prawny wrote:
    No she's a direct descendant of Chris. Whover he/she is :lol:

    The Biggins? :shock:

    You can tell her that! :shock: Brave
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  • salsajake
    salsajake Posts: 702
    Agent57 wrote:
    DonDaddyD wrote:
    A cyclist doing 35mph on a 30mph road couldn't be done for speeding (although he might get done for riding recklessly or something like that).

    Is this right? Where does it say that the speed limit only applies to motorised vehicles? If its right, then cool!
  • roger_merriman
    roger_merriman Posts: 6,165
    salsajake wrote:
    Agent57 wrote:
    DonDaddyD wrote:
    A cyclist doing 35mph on a 30mph road couldn't be done for speeding (although he might get done for riding recklessly or something like that).

    Is this right? Where does it say that the speed limit only applies to motorised vehicles? If its right, then cool!

    google cycling furiously.

    that should get the jist of it any how.
  • Agent57
    Agent57 Posts: 2,300
    salsajake wrote:
    Is this right? Where does it say that the speed limit only applies to motorised vehicles? If its right, then cool!

    Well, I am not a lawyer, so I'm open to correction on this belief. However...

    Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 (c. 27)
    Part VI Speed Limits wrote:
    (1) An order made under this subsection as respects any road may prohibit—
    (a)
    the driving of motor vehicles on that road at a speed exceeding that specified in the order,
    (b)
    the driving of motor vehicles on that road at a speed exceeding that specified in the order during periods specified in the order, or
    (c)
    the driving of motor vehicles on that road at a speed exceeding the speed for the time being indicated by traffic signs in accordance with the order.

    All mention "the driving of motor vehicles", which a bicycle is not.
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  • salsajake
    salsajake Posts: 702
    Agent57 wrote:
    salsajake wrote:
    Is this right? Where does it say that the speed limit only applies to motorised vehicles? If its right, then cool!

    Well, I am not a lawyer, so I'm open to correction on this belief. However...

    Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 (c. 27)
    Part VI Speed Limits wrote:
    (1) An order made under this subsection as respects any road may prohibit—
    (a)
    the driving of motor vehicles on that road at a speed exceeding that specified in the order,
    (b)
    the driving of motor vehicles on that road at a speed exceeding that specified in the order during periods specified in the order, or
    (c)
    the driving of motor vehicles on that road at a speed exceeding the speed for the time being indicated by traffic signs in accordance with the order.

    All mention "the driving of motor vehicles", which a bicycle is not.

    Are those the regs that speeding motorists get prosecuted under then? Thought it was the Road Traffic Act, but could be wrong
  • Porgy
    Porgy Posts: 4,525
    salsajake wrote:
    Agent57 wrote:
    salsajake wrote:
    Is this right? Where does it say that the speed limit only applies to motorised vehicles? If its right, then cool!

    Well, I am not a lawyer, so I'm open to correction on this belief. However...

    Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 (c. 27)
    Part VI Speed Limits wrote:
    (1) An order made under this subsection as respects any road may prohibit—
    (a)
    the driving of motor vehicles on that road at a speed exceeding that specified in the order,
    (b)
    the driving of motor vehicles on that road at a speed exceeding that specified in the order during periods specified in the order, or
    (c)
    the driving of motor vehicles on that road at a speed exceeding the speed for the time being indicated by traffic signs in accordance with the order.

    All mention "the driving of motor vehicles", which a bicycle is not.

    Are those the regs that speeding motorists get prosecuted under then? Thought it was the Road Traffic Act, but could be wrong

    The Road Traffic Act is a sort of 'umbrella' act which broadly describes the legislation - and it will refer to a Regulaiton Act which should contain the detail.

    i think

    Though I'm not a lawyer I do have to intepret environmental law for my company.
  • Agent57
    Agent57 Posts: 2,300
    salsajake wrote:
    Are those the regs that speeding motorists get prosecuted under then? Thought it was the Road Traffic Act, but could be wrong

    *shrug* I'm not a lawyer. However, this part of the Road Traffic Act 1991 refers to "an offence under section 16 of the [1984 c. 27.] Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 consisting in the contravention of a restriction on the speed of vehicles imposed under section 14 of that Act;" So, I don't know what the relationship between the different Acts is, but I think the Regulation act is the one which matters.

    As noted before, I'm wide open to correction from anyone who actually knows what they're talking about. :D
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  • salsajake
    salsajake Posts: 702
    no worries, i'll just go as fast as i can downhill!
  • Soul Boy
    Soul Boy Posts: 359
    Cyclists are people and people are hypocrites.

    So, do I just throw up my hands and say I once cycled through a red light, so I should forget about whether it is right or wrong and just do it always, regardless?

    I once stole a lolly from a shop, should I now turn a blind eye to a mugging of a pensioner, because really I’m no better?

    I’m no angel, but I’m not a dick. I’m a cyclist and a human being.

    As an aside, having just come back from the continent, I see how well cyclists are treated out on the roads. It’s a cultural thing, they respect cyclists. Over here we’re just thought of as dumb asses who are too stupid to pass a driving test and an impedance to carbon fuelled progress.
  • rhext
    rhext Posts: 1,639
    salsajake wrote:
    Agent57 wrote:
    DonDaddyD wrote:
    A cyclist doing 35mph on a 30mph road couldn't be done for speeding (although he might get done for riding recklessly or something like that).

    Is this right? Where does it say that the speed limit only applies to motorised vehicles? If its right, then cool!

    You know, I actually hope this is not true. I've always had a secret dream of getting a speeding ticket. Worth 60 quid (or whatever they cost these days).

    Anyway, onto the OP......this is pure prejudice. Assuming the worst about an entire group of people on the basis of the observed behaviour of a few. Absolutely everyone who does that is a complete idiot and should be ignored.
  • Porgy
    Porgy Posts: 4,525
    Agent57 wrote:
    salsajake wrote:
    Are those the regs that speeding motorists get prosecuted under then? Thought it was the Road Traffic Act, but could be wrong

    *shrug* I'm not a lawyer. However, this part of the Road Traffic Act 1991 refers to "an offence under section 16 of the [1984 c. 27.] Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 consisting in the contravention of a restriction on the speed of vehicles imposed under section 14 of that Act;" So, I don't know what the relationship between the different Acts is, but I think the Regulation act is the one which matters.

    As noted before, I'm wide open to correction from anyone who actually knows what they're talking about. :D

    Legislation such as the road traffic Act set out the principles of the law - are broad and general. They then refers to subsequent Acts such as the Regulation Act for the detail. So you need to look at all of them - except for Acts that have been repealed. And then there's precedents set in court - interpretation, etc. which you won't find in the Act. I don't think there's an easy way of doing this either - that's why lawyers get paid so much!

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