ZEBRA divider

gert_lush

Apologies if this has already been linked/mentioned somewhere but I couldn't see it

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/07/zebra-bicycle-path-devider.php?dcitc=th_rss

hhmm I wonder what happens if you ride over one in teh wet?

always_tyred

God, I can't imagine how a Landrover would get over those massive obstacles to undertake someone turning right, or to park. To their credit, the first 5 lines of text weren't bollocks.

I think the tree huggers should recycle the divider and turn them into sandals.

Headhuunter

I am really, really opposed to silly, unecessary street furniture like this. On my commute I love that I can weave in and out of traffic easily as long as I pay attention. Sometimes I'm in the cycle lane, sometimes I'm in primary road position, other times I'm filtering along the middle of the road between the 2 lanes of traffic, depending on conditions, what's safe and the speed of other traffic.

Something like this would simply add considerable danger as I would not only have to consider the traffic but also these stupid lumps in the road as I move around the carriageway. I cycle quite a lot faster than the average commuter and would definitely not appreciate being coralled into a lane with all the hi viz women on their badly adjusted hybrid bikes and unfit, saggy jean wearing 20 something fixie riders pootling at 5-10mph. If these were installed, I think I would simply cycle to the right in the main carriageway with the cars and completely ignore the bike lane.

Please, please, please, no divided/split off cycle lanes on the roads, leave us our freedom!

Aidy

Yeah, I completely disagree that bike lanes should be separated from traffic.

If drivers were more used to seeing bikes on the road, they'd be much more aware of us. Changing the road system to split us off makes it that much more dangerous for when we are sharing roads.

fenboy369

Why dont we just invent teleporters and not have to bother with roads at all. Muppets.

Headhuunter

fenboy369 wrote:

Why dont we just invent teleporters and not have to bother with roads at all. Muppets.

"just invent teleporters", I think if it were a case of "just" doing that, it woulda been done. It would solve environmental issues across the world and make expenditure on roads unnecessary in a flash....

gert_lush

Always Tyred wrote:

I think the tree huggers should recycle the divider and turn them into sandals.[/quote

I like that idea ]....but SPD sandals of course!

Paulie W

Headhuunter wrote:

I cycle quite a lot faster than the average commuter and would definitely not appreciate being coralled into a lane with all the hi viz women on their badly adjusted hybrid bikes and unfit, saggy jean wearing 20 something fixie riders pootling at 5-10mph.

Just an observation here but isnt this the way that most car drivers think? 'I drive quite a lot faster than the average cyclist and would definietely not appreciate being coralled into a lane with all the treehugging, holier than thou, RLJing, far too-tight-lyrca-wearing bike-riders pootling along at 18mph'.

Not saying that I agree with the idea in the original post - I am for the most part against the idea of dedicated cycle lanes - but I'm not sure this way of thinking is in itself a good reason not to have them.

Headhuunter

Paulie W wrote:

Headhuunter wrote:

I cycle quite a lot faster than the average commuter and would definitely not appreciate being coralled into a lane with all the hi viz women on their badly adjusted hybrid bikes and unfit, saggy jean wearing 20 something fixie riders pootling at 5-10mph.

Just an observation here but isnt this the way that most car drivers think? 'I drive quite a lot faster than the average cyclist and would definietely not appreciate being coralled into a lane with all the treehugging, holier than thou, RLJing, far too-tight-lyrca-wearing bike-riders pootling along at 18mph'.

Not saying that I agree with the idea in the original post - I am for the most part against the idea of dedicated cycle lanes - but I'm not sure this way of thinking is in itself a good reason not to have them.

The thing is, most drivers in London rush hour traffic move way more slowly than cyclists. If I commuted by car it would take about 45 mins to an hour, by bike it takes 20-25 mins. The reason I need to be able to move all over the carriageway is because for much of my journey the road is blocked by slow moving or stationary traffic. I think average speed of motor traffic in central London is less than 10mph. From about 5 mins into my commute I am passing cars and motor traffic all the way in.

Paulie W

My point wasnt about the realities of commuting - of course bikes are quicker through traffic than cars - so much as it was about attitudes to other road users.

Headhuunter

Paulie W wrote:

My point wasnt about the realities of commuting - of course bikes are quicker through traffic than cars - so much as it was about attitudes to other road users.

You're probably right in that view, but it's an attitude that needs changing. Motorists should realise they are not the fastest thing on the road in the city

AndyManc

Headhuunter wrote:

You're probably right in that view, but it's an attitude that needs changing. Motorists should realise they are not the fastest thing on the road in the city

And that will happen when ? , the words 'over' 'hell' 'when' 'freezes' spring to mind.

Despite comments on this thread, the vast majority of your average cyclists (or wanna bees) want separated cycle lanes, it's often cited as one of the main issues to increase the masses onto bikes. Not that those lanes should ever be compulsory.

My own personal view is that we need a revolution in attitudes from those in power, where cyclists are prioritised in transport infrastructure design .... in other words, Denmark have got it right.


The linked article explains “ this is only a temporary solution to making bike lanes safer. The ideal way is to build bike lanes, foot paths and roads all on different levels “ , again that would appeal to inexperienced cyclists and families , but clearly cost would prohibit construction and the idea is not that desirable for most bikers.


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Headhuunter

Well I really hope this doesn't happen, ever. To be honest I think it's unlikely in London, councils can barely get their @rses in gear to paint a green strip down the side of the road, let alone pay to have these bump things put in