Hummm, Is this true ?

gb155

Just picked up my TREK from the shop, They said the reason for the spokes breaking was me using 80 psi 1.5 tyres at my weight, Now im worried because yesterday I ordered a Scott Sub with 700c wheels, So is the shop right ? Am I gonna have even more problems with 700c wheels ?

I suspect the shop were just trying to cover up as I have used the same type of tyres (City Jets) for around 1800 miles on my Giant (Bargain basement £280 MTB) My GT MTB and even the Townsend had em on for a while.

But I have to admit im worried about how well a bike with 700c wheels will hold up.

gb155

It just dawned on me that they sold me a set of 1.5 nimbus tyres when I bought it and even fitted them for me saying how great they would be for me commuting and yet it was the same guy that said I should use nothing less then tyres sized 2.2 because of my size.

downfader

700c should hold up ok, I think they're fobbing you off unless it has the ultra thin spokes. :?

You should be able to find out the weight limitations of the wheel by contacting the manufacturer, same for the other components. Hmm if Terry Hollands rides a road bike you should be fine

1960ride

gb155,
I am not sure what you weight is right now however, i am aware you have been doing a good job (congrats). I would look for a new shop since they are blowing smoke. I have seen people that weigh 280+ riding 700c wheels with no problems. The usual build for heavier people will usually require 36 hole hubs and if built by a decent builder they should be fine for 280+ if you don't hit everything in your way. The other thought is you could be hard on equipment which is not usually a weight issue. I know people that weigh half of what you weigh and tear their bike up by riding it incorrectly as in thru pot holes and anything that is in their way compared to an identical weight rider that never seems to have any problems.

1960ride

gb155,
I am not sure what you weight is right now however, i am aware you have been doing a good job (congrats). I would look for a new shop since they are blowing smoke. I have seen people that weigh 280+ riding 700c wheels with no problems. The usual build for heavier people will usually require 36 hole hubs and if built by a decent builder they should be fine for 280+ if you don't hit everything in your way. The other thought is you could be hard on equipment which is not usually a weight issue. I know people that weigh half of what you weigh and tear their bike up by riding it incorrectly as in thru pot holes and anything that is in their way compared to an identical weight rider that never seems to have any problems.

redvee

Sounds like bull to me. Factory built wheels won't be as strong as a decent pair of handbuilt wheels, might be worthwhile going upto a pair of 36 spoke wheels.

1960ride

Sorry about the double post,

Can one of the administrators delete one post.

Thanks.

gb155

Cheers peeps, I know in my heart that they were just shifting the blame, if a bargain basement giant can do the jon at 32 stone then a £700 machine should be ok at 22 stone eh

Thanks again, Will look into a set of 36 hand builts for future use though

JonS123

I have the nimbus tyres on my bike, I weigh in at 15 stone ish, and when ive done a bit of touring id guess id be taking 20-25kg of stuff in the panniers (so around 3 stone??) so 18 stone ish in total, and I have had no issues at all.

roger_merriman

the shops feeding you a line i'd say, MTB wheels have to take a fair bit of abuse. I don't know how heavy you are? but even at mid to high 20's for road work bit of tow paths etc. if you where thudding though rock gardens etc then he might have a point. but on road?

gb155

roger merriman wrote:

the shops feeding you a line i'd say, MTB wheels have to take a fair bit of abuse. I don't know how heavy you are? but even at mid to high 20's for road work bit of tow paths etc. if you where thudding though rock gardens etc then he might have a point. but on road?

Im 22 stone now and I do nothing other than Tarmac and even swerve to avoid potholes

downfader

gb155 wrote:

Cheers peeps, I know in my heart that they were just shifting the blame, if a bargain basement giant can do the jon at 32 stone then a £700 machine should be ok at 22 stone eh

Thanks again, Will look into a set of 36 hand builts for future use though

One of my LBS sold me a set of Mavic Open Pro 32h with DTSwiss spokes and Hope Pro3 hubs. They're really good and rugged, I ride on 35cm tyres for more comfort. You can get 36 hole Pros too. Total cost is about £300 - a worthy investment if you're going to do the miles (and you've still done more than me in the past year, LOL!)

The spokes could have broken due to over tensioning? I've read of one or two guys having this problem.

downfader

Here we go:

http://www.terryhollands.co.uk/profile - he's 29 stone (Britain's Strongest Man for those not in the know). Cant find any info on him cycling on the site as its mostly weights and strength training. I'm sure I remember him mentioning it twice last year though. 8)

roger_merriman

gb155 wrote:

roger merriman wrote:

the shops feeding you a line i'd say, MTB wheels have to take a fair bit of abuse. I don't know how heavy you are? but even at mid to high 20's for road work bit of tow paths etc. if you where thudding though rock gardens etc then he might have a point. but on road?

Im 22 stone now and I do nothing other than Tarmac and even swerve to avoid potholes

porkies then, your are heavier than me but your much lighter use i go off heading for lumps and bumps.

Oddjob62

I've been using 700cx23 wheels since i was 16 stone, am now 15 stone with same tyres on 32h wheels built by a less than "professional" builder (ie me , my first attempt at wheelbuilding in fact) sometimes bother to avoid the bigger bumps in the road, but had no broken spokes so far. When i first started was on 700x32 at 19stone riding on pretty much anything that came in my way and didn't have a broken spoke then either.

nwallace

Still got the original wheels on my Dawes Giro 200 think the rear is 36 spoke, using 700x23s originally scwalbe blizzards and since they wore out Conti Ultra-Sport. I have put them on the truing stand once, purely for practice reasons because they were only slightly off true. Am 14 to 15 and a bit stone and don't really worry about small bumps. Even hit a speed bump in the grounds of Drumpellier park at around 20mph (there was no paint on it, my glasses were misted up and the guy I was "chasing down" didn't appear to slow down for anything) I think i took more damage from that.
Only got 3500 km on it since i got it 6 years ago though.

Kieran_Burns

<k burns school of psychic investigation>

....

........

Christ we really f*cked this one up


..... yeah... yeah... yeah.....

What're we gonna say? say? saysayay?...
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just fecking think of something...ing ing ing....


"Ah Sir!".... .....feck me... big guy... Got it!

....sir you are fat bastard and broke the bike.... ike ike ike...

"Ah. Sir. I'm sorry but this tyre and wheel combination is not advisable for"

...HAH!....
"Heavy duty"

...snigger... look at his face

"use"

<snort>


Now f3ck off you fat arse and quit bothering me
"That'll cost £105 to fix"your "the problem"





Seems to me they could think of nothing better - lying little scroats

gb155

Kieran_Burns wrote:

<k burns school of psychic investigation>

....

........

Christ we really f*cked this one up


..... yeah... yeah... yeah.....

What're we gonna say? say? saysayay?...
.
.
.
just fecking think of something...ing ing ing....


"Ah Sir!".... .....feck me... big guy... Got it!

....sir you are fat bastard and broke the bike.... ike ike ike...

"Ah. Sir. I'm sorry but this tyre and wheel combination is not advisable for"

...HAH!....
"Heavy duty"

...snigger... look at his face

"use"

<snort>


Now f3ck off you fat ars* and quit bothering me
"That'll cost £105 to fix"your "the problem"





Seems to me they could think of nothing better - lying little scroats

Strange but thats just how I felt when I left the shop, It was the same guy that said those £40 tyres would be GREAT for me that said they were TOO high pressure and I shouldnt ride anything less than 2.2's

Needless to say I will never ever be stepping foot in that shop again, shame as they could have had my busniess for that hybrid I just purchased.

gb155

Oddjob62 wrote:

I've been using 700cx23 wheels since i was 16 stone, am now 15 stone with same tyres on 32h wheels built by a less than "professional" builder (ie me , my first attempt at wheelbuilding in fact) sometimes bother to avoid the bigger bumps in the road, but had no broken spokes so far. When i first started was on 700x32 at 19stone riding on pretty much anything that came in my way and didn't have a broken spoke then either.

Thanks for that

Oddjob62

gb155 wrote:

Thanks for that

As an addition to the "too high pressure" comment i always pump mine to at least 120 psi.

gb155

Oddjob62 wrote:

gb155 wrote:

Thanks for that

As an addition to the "too high pressure" comment i always pump mine to at least 120 psi.

On every other bike I always kept them both at 80psi, but for some reason on the Trek I had them at 75 psi, There was so many points I wanted to argue on but I just took my bike and my custom out of there forever.

Oddjob62

gb155 wrote:

On every other bike I always kept them both at 80psi, but for some reason on the Trek I had them at 75 psi, There was so many points I wanted to argue on but I just took my bike and my custom out of there forever.

I've always kept pressure at at least midway between the tyres recommended max and min pressure.

Yes you are "bigger than average" but a decent built wheel should not have issues unless it's a "speciality" lightweight road/track wheels, and i don't know of any that aren't 700x23-5 or 650x23-5

I'd say you've done the best thing in moving your ££ to another place.

forgotrafe

At the end of the day, the Sale of Goods Act quite clearly says goods must be fit for purpose i.e. if a 22 stone bloke walks into a shop to buy a bike, then fit for purpose must be that the bike will cope with a 22 stone bloke riding it.

The act says also quite clearly says goods must be of merchantable quality i.e. they can't be shoddy.

Now either your problems came from the wheels not being strong enough (don't believe that at all) or something wasn't up to scratch. Either way the afore mentioned legislation has got you covered and it's the shops problem.

They can't play the weight argument now (unless you've put on 10 stone in the three months you've had the bike). If the shop was unable to meet the conditions of the law, then they're not in a position to sell you the bike and so should refuse at point of sale.

As the meerkat says, simples.

gb155

Oddjob62 wrote:

gb155 wrote:

On every other bike I always kept them both at 80psi, but for some reason on the Trek I had them at 75 psi, There was so many points I wanted to argue on but I just took my bike and my custom out of there forever.

I've always kept pressure at at least midway between the tyres recommended max and min pressure.

Yes you are "bigger than average" but a decent built wheel should not have issues unless it's a "speciality" lightweight road/track wheels, and i don't know of any that aren't 700x23-5 or 650x23-5

I'd say you've done the best thing in moving your ££ to another place.

I would smart less if I had not done so many miles on the same tyres and if they hadnt agreed how GREAT the tyres were, Shame as they stocked the bike I wanted as my second but hey, we move on

fenboy369

I'd be tempted to send them an email with a link to this thread. If they are worth their salt as an LBS we should get a reply with a decent answer.
I suppose even a straight forward, "I think you've worn them out mate, they are stock wheels and to be honest they are never going to be the best hoops" would be better than the too high tyre pressure BS you got.

fenboy369

I'd be tempted to send them an email with a link to this thread. If they are worth their salt as an LBS we should get a reply with a decent answer.
I suppose even a straight forward, "I think you've worn them out mate, they are stock wheels and to be honest they are never going to be the best hoops" would be better than the too high tyre pressure BS you got.

gb155

forgotrafe wrote:

At the end of the day, the Sale of Goods Act quite clearly says goods must be fit for purpose i.e. if a 22 stone bloke walks into a shop to buy a bike, then fit for purpose must be that the bike will cope with a 22 stone bloke riding it.

The act says also quite clearly says goods must be of merchantable quality i.e. they can't be shoddy.

Now either your problems came from the wheels not being strong enough (don't believe that at all) or something wasn't up to scratch. Either way the afore mentioned legislation has got you covered and it's the shops problem.

They can't play the weight argument now (unless you've put on 10 stone in the three months you've had the bike). If the shop was unable to meet the conditions of the law, then they're not in a position to sell you the bike and so should refuse at point of sale.

As the meerkat says, simples.

Sorry I missed this last night, The more I think about it the more ***ed I get, Will be emailing Trek and advisinghow I feel about one of thier dealers and how it lost them another sale (sure they are not bothered in the grand scheme of things)

I still cant get over the fact the guy agreed it would be a great bike for me and my tyre choice was GREAT then one problem later im told there is no way I should consider anything less than a 2.2 tyre, , I wish I had stood there and argued the point with him re the other 1800 miles I have done on 1.5's but to be fair I felt embarrised

gb155

fenboy369 wrote:

I'd be tempted to send them an email with a link to this thread. If they are worth their salt as an LBS we should get a reply with a decent answer.
I suppose even a straight forward, "I think you've worn them out mate, they are stock wheels and to be honest they are never going to be the best hoops" would be better than the too high tyre pressure BS you got.

Its tempting but to be honest I dont want any dealing with them from now on, a guy from work who only got his bike from that shop because I did told me when he had his serviced (he got his 3 months before me) that it felt like they didnt do anything with it, Another chap from work (again went there with me, would have gone to his LBS) got his old bike serviced and bought a new one, when he picked up his old one they had adjusted his front brake in such a way that it was locked on and wouldnt move, In the end I called round to his house to sort it out.....Shambles

Agent57

Pff, no reason to be embarrassed. I bet he's not a TV star!

gb155

Agent57 wrote:

Pff, no reason to be embarrassed. I bet he's not a TV star!

LOL, To be fair "sorry sir your too much of a fat c**t" Is reason to be a little embarrassed, LOL

lost_in_thought

gb155 wrote:

Agent57 wrote:

Pff, no reason to be embarrassed. I bet he's not a TV star!

LOL, To be fair "sorry sir your too much of a fat c**t" Is reason to be a little embarrassed, LOL

TBH, Gaz, the LBS should be embarrassed that they pulled that one on you. I mean, really, shame on them.

The problem was clearly not your weight, it was either the wheel or their set-up, and they should have come clean and admitted it rather than try to feed you some b*llsh*t about your being too heavy.

What was the final outcome regarding the wheel?

Grrrr. This sort of thing makes me really angry, they're just taking a chance that you won't argue back. I get this all the time, especially from car mechanics for some reason.

I'd go back there and give them a piece of my mind. In fact, I've a good mind to go there myself and kick them in the shins on your behalf. Tell them to expect a bearded trucker.