Campag indexing - easy?
Hi - about to change my cassette and chain on 2003 Record 10s (done very well I thought) and wondering how easy it is to index gears. As fiddly as Shimano ie. rear derallieur? Or cunningly easy cos it's Campag?
Or if there are any online guides, they would be welcome. And yes, I have done a search on this subject on this forum already.
Or if there are any online guides, they would be welcome. And yes, I have done a search on this subject on this forum already.
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Ditto. It's the front that is difficult, but that shouldn't be affected.0
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Front difficult? IME Campagnolo is easier to set up because of the multi-position ratchet - the big mistake most people make is setting it too high and not getting the cage angle right. Campagnolo recommends setting indexing from the middle sprocket for the rear but I always start from the outside - set the stop screws, give the inner cable a firm pull to seat the outers, reset the cable clamp and a couple of turns of the adjuster usually sees you sorted.Make mine an Italian, with Campagnolo on the side..0
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You are probably right. I have not done a modern front Shimano. I just meant front mech is harder than rear. Somehow when I did my Centaur stuff I had the cable too tight, so it wasn't ever resting on the inside limit, so I got chain rub. When I loosened it, so the mech rested against the limit and started again, it was fine. And I agree the various rachet positions make trimming easy.0
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John.T wrote:Just changing chain and cassette you should not have to reset the indexing anyway.
Nope. I agree.
GiantMan, surely you've changed the cables a few times anyway? (I change my cables at least once a year) I can't imagine the cables would have lasted 6 years, so you should have plenty of practice in indexing?0 -
:?: :?: :?:giant mancp wrote:As fiddly as Shimano
Indexing Shimano gears is dead easy...0 -
redddraggon wrote:John.T wrote:Just changing chain and cassette you should not have to reset the indexing anyway.
Nope. I agree.
GiantMan, surely you've changed the cables a few times anyway? (I change my cables at least once a year) I can't imagine the cables would have lasted 6 years, so you should have plenty of practice in indexing?
No mate haven't touched it actually. Been absolutely fine so didn't see the need, possibly neclect on my part of course.0 -
redddraggon wrote:John.T wrote:Just changing chain and cassette you should not have to reset the indexing anyway.
Nope. I agree.
GiantMan, surely you've changed the cables a few times anyway? (I change my cables at least once a year) I can't imagine the cables would have lasted 6 years, so you should have plenty of practice in indexing?
Why?0 -
Nuggs wrote:
:?: :?: :?:giant mancp wrote:As fiddly as Shimano
Indexing Shimano gears is dead easy...
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SheffSimon wrote:Why?
Cables don't tend to last 6 years if you use the bike.0 -
That makes the 30 year old cable on my commuter 5-speed a bit of a miracle then0
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You mean: perhaps not quite the miracle I had assumed0
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Generally or just in relation to gear cables?redddraggon wrote:your experience is worthless0 -
Ha! I've still got all the original Shimano cables and chain on my 11 yr old mtb. Not used daily I'll grant you, but apart from periodic removal / cleaning / lubrication I've not had any issues. Eldest son has been using it at uni for the past year where it'd been living outside most of the time.0
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giant mancp wrote:redddraggon wrote:John.T wrote:Just changing chain and cassette you should not have to reset the indexing anyway.
Nope. I agree.
GiantMan, surely you've changed the cables a few times anyway? (I change my cables at least once a year) I can't imagine the cables would have lasted 6 years, so you should have plenty of practice in indexing?
No mate haven't touched it actually. Been absolutely fine so didn't see the need, possibly neclect on my part of course.
Neglect? I'd call that outright abuse! :PTo err is human, but to make a real balls up takes a super computer.0 -
Nuggs wrote:
Generally or just in relation to gear cables?redddraggon wrote:your experience is worthless
In relation to the continued operation of index gears. With non index gears a little cable stretch only means that you have to shift the gear lever a bit further to get the big sprockets, and the cable may be a little slack when reach the small one. On indexed gears, however, it is wailling and gnashing of teeth time as the gears fail to synchronize.To err is human, but to make a real balls up takes a super computer.0 -
Of course, there's no comparison. The simplicity of downshifters and lack of maintenance is why they are still worthwhile on some bikes.
I have not had my roadbikes, with Campag and 105 shifters, long enough to knacker the cables. But if they stretch, don't you just tighten them up? Or do they stretch unevenly and the indexing fails?
In the past, with twist grip shifters and cr@p bikes, I have always used cables until they break.
With STIs and Campag Ergopower, I can imagine front mech cable breaking, but you would be unlucky with the rear one, surely?0 -
It's not so much the cables - the slack can be picked up as you say. It's the outers. Once they split at the cable stops, you're pretty much screwed. I did make one set last 5 years though, and yes I did ride the bike.0
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I had a problem with mine not so long ago and found that when I changed the cable, on pulling out the old one.
One part of the cable had worked it way back up in the outer, making setting up a real pain.
After changing the cable, it was much easier to set up from there.0 -
redddraggon wrote:SheffSimon wrote:Why?
Cables don't tend to last 6 years if you use the bike.
Bike gets a lot of use, race on it, train on it, have no problem with cables despite not changing them yearly.0
