Sometimes I love my job

NGale
NGale Posts: 1,866
edited June 2009 in Commuting chat
...it dosen't happen often but sometimes I get calls in my job that just make me grin from ear to ear at the result. Today was one...a classic Car V Cyclist RTC which the driver phoned through because the cyclist had been hurt,

Nice and loudly on a recorded line the driver announced. 'I've hit some twat on a bike, I'm only calling you because I've been told to by some interfering old woman'

I phoned the police as is the norm with all RTCs, informed him of what was said which they tackled the driver about at the road side and he denied. The police came in and took a statement from me and listened to the phone call.

result....one driver arrested for dangerous driving.

cyclist will recover eventually, received a broken arm and a nasty gash to the head. By all accounts the driver drove towards him forcing him onto the pavement and into a lamp post :shock:

Oh yes!
Officers don't run, it's undignified and panics the men

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  • prj45
    prj45 Posts: 2,208
    Can we watch his classic car being crushed if he's found guilly?
  • NGale
    NGale Posts: 1,866
    oh if only. :lol:
    Officers don't run, it's undignified and panics the men
  • nitesight
    nitesight Posts: 119
    Holy malloney - JUSTICE!

    Good on you sir for doing your bit in getting that cyclist sorted. They'll now be able to make a claim against his insurance for loss of earnings, injury etc. Without your involvement this would likely not have happened.

    This has made my day.
  • NGale
    NGale Posts: 1,866
    I have made it a bit of a mission of mine in work to make sure that the police attend all RTCs involving cyclists. it's ambulance service protocol to call the police for all RTCs anyway. but the police have been a little lax about attending ones involving cyclists so I have become like a dog with a bone on the issue and kick them up the arse on it and make sure they get out there and do something

    I have to say qudos to the old woman who made the driver call an ambulance for the cyclist, I get a feeling he would have driven off otherwise.
    Officers don't run, it's undignified and panics the men
  • tardington
    tardington Posts: 1,379
    Ngale you TOTALLY need a superheroine name now!
  • Mithras
    Mithras Posts: 428
    The Police shouldn't be found lacking in any accident involving a cyclist and motor vehicle. There is always going to be some injury to the cyclist. Police will always attend an injury RTC.

    By definition, a road traffic collision is where a mechanically propelled vehicle (eg a car, lorry or motorbike) on a public road or other public place (e.g. a car park open to the public) causes damage to someone else's property or vehicle, or any other person or animal is injured. (animal is limited to: horse, cattle, ass, mule, pig, sheep, goat or dog)."
    I can afford to talk softly!....................I carry a big stick!
  • Cafewanda
    Cafewanda Posts: 2,788
    Good on ya NGale :)
  • Jay dubbleU
    Jay dubbleU Posts: 3,159
    Excellent - hope the cyclist is OK but well done :):)
  • downfader
    downfader Posts: 3,686
    A good result, but poor sod on the bike!! :shock:
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,257
    prj45 wrote:
    Can we watch his classic car being crushed if he's found guilly?



    Don't blame the car!

    Blame the driver!

    Crush the driver if you must, but leave the car alone.
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • prj45
    prj45 Posts: 2,208
    prj45 wrote:
    Can we watch his classic car being crushed if he's found guilly?



    Don't blame the car!

    Blame the driver!

    Crush the driver if you must, but leave the car alone.

    Nah, if somebody shoots somebody I'd want to see the gun destroyed, same with a knife.

    I draw the line at seeing dogs destroyed though becuase they've been abused byt heir owners and then go onto attack something or somebody.
  • doog442
    doog442 Posts: 370
    NGale wrote:
    I have made it a bit of a mission of mine in work to make sure that the police attend all RTCs involving cyclists. it's ambulance service protocol to call the police for all RTCs anyway. but the police have been a little lax about attending ones involving cyclists so I have become like a dog with a bone on the issue and kick them up the ars* on it and make sure they get out there and do something

    I have to say qudos to the old woman who made the driver call an ambulance for the cyclist, I get a feeling he would have driven off otherwise.

    nice to see the tail attempting to wag the dog

    pehaps there is a degree of petulance between police and ambulance for example 'get and there and do something' is a bit harsh bearing in mind the problems the police have every night with trying to get an ambulance crew to take a drunk and incapable to hospital instead of insisting they go to a cell :roll:
  • nitesight
    nitesight Posts: 119
    Ngale,

    It appears I may have assumed that you are of the manly persuasion.

    I'm ashamed of my sexism. :oops:

    P.S. I find Superheroines really sexy. I can't help it. I read a lot of comics as a kid. :D

    Well done again.
  • lost_in_thought
    lost_in_thought Posts: 10,563
    doog442 wrote:
    NGale wrote:
    I have made it a bit of a mission of mine in work to make sure that the police attend all RTCs involving cyclists. it's ambulance service protocol to call the police for all RTCs anyway. but the police have been a little lax about attending ones involving cyclists so I have become like a dog with a bone on the issue and kick them up the ars* on it and make sure they get out there and do something

    I have to say qudos to the old woman who made the driver call an ambulance for the cyclist, I get a feeling he would have driven off otherwise.

    nice to see the tail attempting to wag the dog

    pehaps there is a degree of petulance between police and ambulance for example 'get and there and do something' is a bit harsh bearing in mind the problems the police have every night with trying to get an ambulance crew to take a drunk and incapable to hospital instead of insisting they go to a cell :roll:

    Why would someone drunk and incapable need an ambulance? It's hardly an emergency.

    Good stuff NGale.
  • They get arrested for being drunk and incapable, go to the cells, throw up and choke on thier own vomit and die, the family then sue the Police for failing to give appropriate care.

    A ridiculous situation brought about by our blame culture.

    The Police get tied up because they have to look after idiots who drink to much as they can't leave them or take them home because of the above, death after Police contact is as serious as a death in custody. Then the ambulance crews get tied up as the Police don't want to look after them because of the possible repurcussions, then the A+E dept get screwed as they are left with the task of looking after the idiots who can't look after themselves. It's a huge burden on everone involved pretty much because of the families of the few who have died whilst sleeping off the beer in the cells sueing.
  • doog442
    doog442 Posts: 370
    doog442 wrote:
    NGale wrote:
    I have made it a bit of a mission of mine in work to make sure that the police attend all RTCs involving cyclists. it's ambulance service protocol to call the police for all RTCs anyway. but the police have been a little lax about attending ones involving cyclists so I have become like a dog with a bone on the issue and kick them up the ars* on it and make sure they get out there and do something

    I have to say qudos to the old woman who made the driver call an ambulance for the cyclist, I get a feeling he would have driven off otherwise.

    nice to see the tail attempting to wag the dog

    pehaps there is a degree of petulance between police and ambulance for example 'get and there and do something' is a bit harsh bearing in mind the problems the police have every night with trying to get an ambulance crew to take a drunk and incapable to hospital instead of insisting they go to a cell :roll:

    Why would someone drunk and incapable need an ambulance? It's hardly an emergency.

    Good stuff NGale.

    any drunk and incapable is a death waiting to happen, unlike a cyclist who may have a few cuts and abrasions..*and i refer to the OP's post reference attendance at ALL accident scenes

    The OP may be suprised at the amount of injured people who are taken to casualty by the police because or whatever reason an ambo isnt around

    Drunk and incapables are the ones that usually die, in police custody,in their own beds,on the street..because they are drunk and....... incapable of looking after themselves.....hence choking on their own vomit etc

    .they need 'medical' care and constant observation...not a police cell.....its a source of conflict between the emergency services and its taken 20 years of representation to ensure that the ambulance service get off their arse ..so to speak and do something about it......ie take them to hospital
  • NGale
    NGale Posts: 1,866
    The problem with the police and the drunk and incapable cases is that they should attend to the person first and assess to see if an ambulance is required, it's pretty much standard protocol across England and Wales.

    accept the police, especially down this neck of the woods don't do that, they phone us tell us to do an assessment and then ask us to tell them if they are required and they might, just might get a unit there.

    There is however one problem, drunks can be violent and paramedics are not trained in breakaway techniques or self defence and do not have the power to detain. So basically the police are asking us to put a well trained member of medical staff in harms way before they will even think about attending. basically a 'if they get attacked then we'll bother with it' attitude.

    We don't mind attending if the police are already there and just want someone checked because they are concerned, but what we do object to is being used as cannon fodder because the police can't be bothered to get out of the canteen to back us up.

    And sorry but we are not a taxi service to ferry drunks to hospital, we are there for life threatening emergencies. Being drunk is not a medical emergency.
    Officers don't run, it's undignified and panics the men
  • That is totally unacceptable, you can't be expected to deal with potentially violent drunks without the Police there who have the necessary training and powers to deal with them.

    However,
    but what we do object to is being used as cannon fodder because the police can't be bothered to get out of the canteen to back us up.

    As you're a member of the emergency services i'd have thought you'd refrain from the 'they're all sat in the canteen' attitude usually reserved for less clued up members of the public who know no better. Do you know they just can't be bothered to help you for a fact or were they just otherwise commited with a more serious issue?

    I work with the Police day in, day out and can give you almost mirror image quotes from them about how the 'ambo crew' couldn't be bothered to turn out to them when they'd been injured. I always stick up for you guys by stating the obvious to them; that they can't be sure what other incidents the ambulance service were dealing with and i'll do the same with you! I doub't very much that any bobby, even the lazy ones I meet (of which many jobs have them!) would prefer to sit around knowing that a collegue who could petentially save their lives one day was being put in a dangerous situation when they could do something about it.

    Fact of the matter is, you don't get help every time you need it which is not on, I doub't very much it was as a result of people prefering to eat doughnuts though!!
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,257
    prj45 wrote:
    prj45 wrote:
    Can we watch his classic car being crushed if he's found guilly?



    Don't blame the car!

    Blame the driver!

    Crush the driver if you must, but leave the car alone.

    Nah, if somebody shoots somebody I'd want to see the gun destroyed, same with a knife.

    I draw the line at seeing dogs destroyed though becuase they've been abused byt heir owners and then go onto attack something or somebody.


    You know, I'm 99% sure that you are not being totally serious,

    But as there is 1% doubt in my mind I'd going to say that your post is the dumbest thing I've ever read.


    *To be fair Doog442 is setting the 'dumb post' bar very high,or low I'm not sure.
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • doog442
    doog442 Posts: 370
    edited June 2009
    edited....for the sake of harmony..and that includes my reply to chubby muppet
  • doog442
    doog442 Posts: 370
    edit :wink:
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,257
    I was impressed at the timing of my post and your gem (now removed)
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • doog442
    doog442 Posts: 370
    so was i

    time to move on :wink: ..anyone seen the weather for the monday slog to work :?:
  • Mithras
    Mithras Posts: 428
    NGale wrote:
    The problem with the police and the drunk and incapable cases is that they should attend to the person first and assess to see if an ambulance is required, it's pretty much standard protocol across England and Wales.

    accept the police, especially down this neck of the woods don't do that, they phone us tell us to do an assessment and then ask us to tell them if they are required and they might, just might get a unit there.

    There is however one problem, drunks can be violent and paramedics are not trained in breakaway techniques or self defence and do not have the power to detain. So basically the police are asking us to put a well trained member of medical staff in harms way before they will even think about attending. basically a 'if they get attacked then we'll bother with it' attitude.

    We don't mind attending if the police are already there and just want someone checked because they are concerned, but what we do object to is being used as cannon fodder because the police can't be bothered to get out of the canteen to back us up.

    And sorry but we are not a taxi service to ferry drunks to hospital, we are there for life threatening emergencies. Being drunk is not a medical emergency.

    Not sure how it works on other peoples patches but we have a pretty good rapport with our ambulance crews and work pretty well together. An amicable arrangement is usually made in these cases. Police are there to protect the medics, then a decision is made as to where the patient/ detained person is to go. And even if a drunk is arrested there is no guarnatee that the custody Sgt will accept them....now that really turns into a farcical situation. Not the medics fault, not the polices fault, but usually means driving between the hospital and police station until the DP vomits and pi55ses and sh1ts all over the back of the van and sobers up enough to be nicked for drunk and disorderly or criminal damage.
    I can afford to talk softly!....................I carry a big stick!
  • chuckcork
    chuckcork Posts: 1,471
    Mithras wrote:
    NGale wrote:
    The problem with the police and the drunk and incapable cases is that they should attend to the person first and assess to see if an ambulance is required, it's pretty much standard protocol across England and Wales.

    accept the police, especially down this neck of the woods don't do that, they phone us tell us to do an assessment and then ask us to tell them if they are required and they might, just might get a unit there.

    There is however one problem, drunks can be violent and paramedics are not trained in breakaway techniques or self defence and do not have the power to detain. So basically the police are asking us to put a well trained member of medical staff in harms way before they will even think about attending. basically a 'if they get attacked then we'll bother with it' attitude.

    We don't mind attending if the police are already there and just want someone checked because they are concerned, but what we do object to is being used as cannon fodder because the police can't be bothered to get out of the canteen to back us up.

    And sorry but we are not a taxi service to ferry drunks to hospital, we are there for life threatening emergencies. Being drunk is not a medical emergency.

    Not sure how it works on other peoples patches but we have a pretty good rapport with our ambulance crews and work pretty well together. An amicable arrangement is usually made in these cases. Police are there to protect the medics, then a decision is made as to where the patient/ detained person is to go. And even if a drunk is arrested there is no guarnatee that the custody Sgt will accept them....now that really turns into a farcical situation. Not the medics fault, not the polices fault, but usually means driving between the hospital and police station until the DP vomits and pi55ses and sh1ts all over the back of the van and sobers up enough to be nicked for drunk and disorderly or criminal damage.

    I take it if they even have to present themselves before a Magistrate that being drunk will be used as the excuse?
    'Twas Mulga Bill, from Eaglehawk, that caught the cycling craze....
  • NGale
    NGale Posts: 1,866
    Mithras wrote:
    NGale wrote:
    The problem with the police and the drunk and incapable cases is that they should attend to the person first and assess to see if an ambulance is required, it's pretty much standard protocol across England and Wales.

    accept the police, especially down this neck of the woods don't do that, they phone us tell us to do an assessment and then ask us to tell them if they are required and they might, just might get a unit there.

    There is however one problem, drunks can be violent and paramedics are not trained in breakaway techniques or self defence and do not have the power to detain. So basically the police are asking us to put a well trained member of medical staff in harms way before they will even think about attending. basically a 'if they get attacked then we'll bother with it' attitude.

    We don't mind attending if the police are already there and just want someone checked because they are concerned, but what we do object to is being used as cannon fodder because the police can't be bothered to get out of the canteen to back us up.

    And sorry but we are not a taxi service to ferry drunks to hospital, we are there for life threatening emergencies. Being drunk is not a medical emergency.

    Not sure how it works on other peoples patches but we have a pretty good rapport with our ambulance crews and work pretty well together. An amicable arrangement is usually made in these cases. Police are there to protect the medics, then a decision is made as to where the patient/ detained person is to go. And even if a drunk is arrested there is no guarnatee that the custody Sgt will accept them....now that really turns into a farcical situation. Not the medics fault, not the polices fault, but usually means driving between the hospital and police station until the DP vomits and pi55ses and sh1ts all over the back of the van and sobers up enough to be nicked for drunk and disorderly or criminal damage.

    Generally we have a good rapport with the Devon and Cornwall Police, but this is a sore point between us. We never have any qualms with the Avon and Somerset Police, in fact they are usually very apologetic when they ask us to attend a drunk and incapable. It also seems our colleagues in the East division also have no problems with the Dorset Police in the same incidents.

    It's tough dealing with three different policing areas because every single one of them works differently.
    Officers don't run, it's undignified and panics the men