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  • Crapaud
    Crapaud Posts: 2,483
    I heard this yesterday on the news. Shocking, absolutely shocking.

    I hope the woman isn't too traumatised and makes a swift recovery.

    I don't know what else to say about it without swearing.
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  • il_principe
    il_principe Posts: 9,155
    I don't want to come over too daily mail, but scum like that should be hunted down and have their tackle lopped off. F*ck rehabilitation, counselling etc.

    Poor woman.
  • lost_in_thought
    lost_in_thought Posts: 10,563
    Just awful, poor thing.
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  • DonDaddyD
    DonDaddyD Posts: 12,689
    Il Principe wrote:
    I don't want to come over too daily mail, but scum like that should be hunted down and have their tackle lopped off. F*ck rehabilitation, counselling etc.

    Poor woman.

    +1!!!!
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  • Deadeye Duck
    Deadeye Duck Posts: 419
    DonDaddyD wrote:
    Il Principe wrote:
    I don't want to come over too daily mail, but scum like that should be hunted down and have their tackle lopped off. F*ck rehabilitation, counselling etc.

    Poor woman.

    +1!!!!
    +2! They really are the scum of the earth.
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  • Soul Boy
    Soul Boy Posts: 359
    Very sad indeed. F-ing scummer :evil:
  • Kieran_Burns
    Kieran_Burns Posts: 9,757
    If it's any consolation it is a good description of the attacker. You would hope with that he will be found and charged.
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  • Christophe3967
    Christophe3967 Posts: 1,200
    Poor girl. :cry: Times like this do make you wonder if a national DNAdatabase might have its merits.
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  • The Rookie
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    God that is horrible, what is this country coming to!

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  • lost_in_thought
    lost_in_thought Posts: 10,563
    Christophe3967 wrote:
    Poor girl. :cry: Times like this do make you wonder if a national DNAdatabase might have its merits.

    Quite.
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  • biondino
    biondino Posts: 5,990
    I don't like this kind of thread, partly because of the content but partly because it brings out the "string 'em up" brigade. It's a disgusting and horrific crime and they deserve punishment, yes, we know that. We all have sympathy, obviously. But I don't think it needs discussion.
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  • DonDaddyD
    DonDaddyD Posts: 12,689
    The topic is not taboo, the crime happened, is terrible and may be somewhat uncomfortable to talk about. All of that does not mean that we shouldn't talk about the topic. Feeling uncomfortable about the topic doesn't make the topic itself a 'bad' one to discuss.

    Lastly if you don't like the don't read the thread and allow others who can handle the discussion the freedom to take part.

    Personally I think raising awareness to this sort of crime and potentially more discussions of this ilk, in this thread can help people become more aware of their personal safety while on a bike.

    Furthermore this raises something worth considering and possibly discussing:
    Times like this do make you wonder if a national DNAdatabase might have its merits
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  • biondino
    biondino Posts: 5,990
    What do we talk about though? "Rape is bad"? Or perhaps "don't ask for directions"?

    Yes, if it raises interesting topics then that's a good thing (I disagree a nationwide DNA register is a good thing and I have no stomach for right wing vs left wing, again, but that's just me).

    So in conclusion, you're probably right, the thread's not for me. I just find it a bit icky - grief rubbernecking, basically.
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  • DonDaddyD
    DonDaddyD Posts: 12,689
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    biondino wrote:
    So in conclusion, you're probably right, the thread's not for me. I just find it a bit icky - grief rubbernecking, basically.

    That's fine, you have the choice to take part or stay out of it. I don't think you should deny others that choice simply because you don't like it.

    Oh and you took the bait! :wink:

    (Now to bait LiTs.... :twisted: )
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  • Paulie W
    Paulie W Posts: 1,492
    Strikes me that the fact she was a cyclist is of little significance here - this appears a random and horrific attack, of the kind that is very difficult to guard against.

    I'm not sure there is any value in responses of the 'chop his b*ll*cks off', 'what's the world coming to' kind - although they are natural enough responses - which is kind of Biondino's point I think: there's plenty of places to go and vent such feelings if you want to.
  • Sewinman
    Sewinman Posts: 2,131
    Nasty but I have to say I find the idea of hunting down rapists and then mutilating their body in order to satisfy a blood lust revenge pretty distasteful too.

    I agree with Biondino. Nasty thread.
  • Porgy
    Porgy Posts: 4,525
    edited June 2009
    DonDaddyD wrote:
    Furthermore this raises something worth considering and possibly discussing:
    Times like this do make you wonder if a national DNAdatabase might have its merits

    In a highly charged context like this I'm not willing to debate this issue although I am against any kind of DNA database, except for convicted criminals, but to say so on here makes it look like I support the rapist. :?

    and might it might be said that it shows lack of respect to the poor woman who was raped.


    tbh - a guy like this probably has a history of minor sexual offences behind him - and it's a case of taking those "minor" offences seriously and dealing with them effectively. Either "reeducating" potential rapists before they finally attack, or at least monitoring their behaviour or locking them up if they will not or cannot change.
  • artaxerxes
    artaxerxes Posts: 612
    but to say so on here makes it look like I support the racist.

    You meant rapist I presume.

    I agree though, my fear is about how the data in the DNA database could be used by other agencies such as councils, private companies etc. We already know how sloppy the government are with data security. We also assume that governments and police will forever be benevolent.
  • il_principe
    il_principe Posts: 9,155
    I'm completely against DNA db's, and am well aware of the Daily Mail tone I set. I don't actually think we should chop body parts off offenders - primarily for the same reasons I object to capital punishment. But still, it is tempting to exact bloody revenge isn't it, human nature I guess.
  • Porgy
    Porgy Posts: 4,525
    linoue wrote:
    but to say so on here makes it look like I support the racist.

    You meant rapist I presume.

    I agree though, my fear is about how the data in the DNA database could be used by other agencies such as councils, private companies etc. We already know how sloppy the government are with data security. We also assume that governments and police will forever be benevolent.

    That shows you what I think about racists :) Freudian slip I fear

    going back to edit. :oops:
  • Porgy
    Porgy Posts: 4,525
    DonDaddyD wrote:
    Eye for an eye. Its in the bible.

    Oh - and I thought is was a dangerous bit of irrational nonsense from our pre-history - clearly I was wrong - it's in the Bible.

    Porgy wrote:
    In a highly charged context like this I'm not willing to debate this issue although I am against any kind of DNA database, except for convicted criminals,

    And yet ironically, it would seem you agree with the point your trying to dispute... :roll:

    I'm sorry - you make no sense there at all - somehow believing that it's legitimate to extend the principle of taking finger prints and retaining them on record for convicted criminals but not extending that principle to the law-abiding majority, is contradictory? Or what were you trying to say exactly? :?:
    Porgy wrote:
    and might it might be said that it shows lack of respect to the poor woman who was raped.
    Following this logic, every single time I've read and discussed a crime would be disrespectful to the victim. :roll:
    to have a discussion around the merits and demerits of a national dna database does seem rather inappropriate to me. that's all I was saying. why not keep that for another thread? This context is too highly charged - as I said - as you chose to misunderstand. :roll:
  • DonDaddyD
    DonDaddyD Posts: 12,689
    Porgy, I have no clue what you've quoted?
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  • biondino
    biondino Posts: 5,990
    Hang on, I didn't take the bait! I quietly and quickly said I'd butt out!

    Is whoever said "an eye for an eye" actually prepared to rape the rapist?
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  • soy_sauce
    soy_sauce Posts: 987
    I don't mind the DNA database or ID card with finger print details and stuff. if this mean the number of crime is going to reduce because people are going to think twice before committing any sort of crimes.
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  • Crapaud
    Crapaud Posts: 2,483
    Paulie W wrote:
    Strikes me that the fact she was a cyclist is of little significance here - this appears a random and horrific attack, of the kind that is very difficult to guard against. ...
    If, and the article doesn't specifically say this, the attack took place on a cycle path, then, yes, it's of significance to cyclists.

    I haven't been able to track down Newton Terrace yet, but there's a good chance that the attack took place on NCN 7 or 75. If it took place where I think it did, it's a pretty secluded path that uses an old railway cutting. Even when going through a built up area there is nothing overlooking the path and only people on it would see anything.

    It would raise questions of whether such paths are as safe for cyclists as, say, the road. Are we swapping one danger for another?
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  • Porgy
    Porgy Posts: 4,525
    DonDaddyD wrote:
    Porgy, I have no clue what you've quoted?

    I quoted your post which now seems to have vanished.

    Wha'ppened? :?
  • DonDaddyD
    DonDaddyD Posts: 12,689
    You sure you're feeling alright Porgy? :shock:
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  • Paulie W
    Paulie W Posts: 1,492
    Crapaud wrote:
    Paulie W wrote:
    Strikes me that the fact she was a cyclist is of little significance here - this appears a random and horrific attack, of the kind that is very difficult to guard against. ...
    If, and the article doesn't specifically say this, the attack took place on a cycle path, then, yes, it's of significance to cyclists.

    I haven't been able to track down Newton Terrace yet, but there's a good chance that the attack took place on NCN 7 or 75. If it took place where I think it did, it's a pretty secluded path that uses an old railway cutting. Even when going through a built up area there is nothing overlooking the path and only people on it would see anything.

    It would raise questions of whether such paths are as safe for cyclists as, say, the road. Are we swapping one danger for another?

    Fair point, although the article suggests that there were a fair few people around at the time of the attack - pedestrians as well as cyclists.
  • secretsam
    secretsam Posts: 5,120
    Il Principe wrote:
    I don't want to come over too daily mail, but scum like that should be hunted down and have their tackle lopped off. F*ck rehabilitation, counselling etc.

    Poor woman.

    +1
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  • Porgy
    Porgy Posts: 4,525
    DonDaddyD wrote:
    You sure you're feeling alright Porgy? :shock:

    i would say i imagined it - but the evidence is in the post above - so what did i quote then? It's clearly from this thread.

    Have I flitted into a different dimension?

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