cycling on the embankment

georgio15

is it legal to cycle on the pavement on the embankment

roger_merriman

don't think so, i'd think it would be bad idea any how. far too busy.

georgio15

and a lot of it is cycle lanes anyway. got a friend who is thinking of cycling to school tomorrow becuase of the strikes. he was asking if its legal to ride on the pavement and he was saying he was gonna ride without a helmet

roger_merriman

ah, well i'd say no jumping lights rash filtering would be my advice to him.

spen666

No, its not and on lots of the Embankment between Blackfriars and Westminster there are little signs ( yellow I think) warning you it is illegal

prj45

Further down toward chelsea it is, shared pavements. I often pop up on the pavement there if the traffic's backed up and ride under Albert Bridge.

A little further on it's way too narrow though.

The Rookie

Not London, but our local Police have started handing out £30 fixed penalties for adults riding on the pavements after a women suffered a broken leg after being hit by a bike (this is a particluar small error with narrow pavements where it really is stupid to ride on the pavement), at the moment they are only targetting over 16's.

As an aside, as the law stands its also illegal to have a pram or pushchair on the pavement - but we all know the law can be an ass, devices for invalids are the only wheeled 'contraptions' that are legal!

Simon

prj45

The Beginner wrote:

devices for invalids

Cor, nasty word.

Put a space in and you realise why:

In valid.

spen666

The Beginner wrote:

Not London, but our local Police have started handing out £30 fixed penalties for adults riding on the pavements after a women suffered a broken leg after being hit by a bike (this is a particluar small error with narrow pavements where it really is stupid to ride on the pavement), at the moment they are only targetting over 16's.

i'm sure the victim with a broken leg agrees with you that it was a small error.

It is a crime to ride on the footpath unless it is a shared use path - end of story

As an aside, as the law stands its also illegal to have a pram or pushchair on the pavement - but we all know the law can be an ass, devices for invalids are the only wheeled 'contraptions' that are legal!

Simon

Simon, that point you make about prams and pushchairs is complete cr*p. There is nothing to make it illegal to use a pram or pushchair on a footpath, in the same way as it is legal to PUSH a bike on the footpath.

If you think otherwise, then please enlighten us with the details of the legislation making it illegal- please provide the name of the Act and the relevant sections so that I can look the same up

always_tyred

spen666 wrote:

The Beginner wrote:

Not London, but our local Police have started handing out £30 fixed penalties for adults riding on the pavements after a women suffered a broken leg after being hit by a bike (this is a particluar small error with narrow pavements where it really is stupid to ride on the pavement), at the moment they are only targetting over 16's.

i'm sure the victim with a broken leg agrees with you that it was a small error.

It is a crime to ride on the footpath unless it is a shared use path - end of story

As an aside, as the law stands its also illegal to have a pram or pushchair on the pavement - but we all know the law can be an ass, devices for invalids are the only wheeled 'contraptions' that are legal!

Simon

Simon, that point you make about prams and pushchairs is complete cr*p. There is nothing to make it illegal to use a pram or pushchair on a footpath, in the same way as it is legal to PUSH a bike on the footpath.

If you think otherwise, then please enlighten us with the details of the legislation making it illegal- please provide the name of the Act and the relevant sections so that I can look the same up

what if the baby has particularly long arms and is pushing the pram itself?

LDN-Flyer

Ooops wrong thread ....................................................

il_principe

georgio15 wrote:

and a lot of it is cycle lanes anyway. got a friend who is thinking of cycling to school tomorrow becuase of the strikes. he came out with two crackers: its legal to ride on the pavement right and i am going to ride through central london without a helmet.

That's just one cracker though isn't it?

its legal to ride on the pavement right

Greg T

Is the westerly end of the Chelsea Embankment dual use on the pavement - I'm sure I've seen a London Cycle route sign just near the underpass to the bridge with the Dolphin boy statue of it - can never remember which one's which.

ketka82

Yep, Chelsea Embankment is shared use pavement although the signs are so miniscule and far apart that you'd never know it! Not recommended for use unless the traffic is REALLY bad.

Greg T

ketka82 wrote:

Yep, Chelsea Embankment is shared use pavement although the signs are so miniscule and far apart that you'd never know it! Not recommended for use unless the traffic is REALLY bad.

That's what i thought - I had a look the other night and there are ped/bike signs on the lamposts, not sure where they start but probably Chelsea Hospital.

So - in summary - Yes you can ride on the pavement on the Embankment (west of Chelsea Hospital (probably - need to check))

bandeja

You can get FREE cycle maps from TFL that show you the paths you can cycle on.

https://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/roadusers/cycling/cycle-guides-request.aspx

For chelsea embankment, look at this google map route - i have marked the stretch that you can cycle on:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=A3212%2FGrosvenor+Rd&daddr=A3220%2FCheyne+Walk&geocode=FRicEQMdqsb9_w%3BFSWHEQMduUj9_w&hl=en&mra=ls&dirflg=w&sll=51.485311,-0.158486&sspn=0.019856,0.055747&ie=UTF8&ll=51.48312,-0.161877&spn=0.019857,0.055747&z=15

This is shown on cycle guide 14 as a brown stretch - which means provision for cyclists adjacent to busy roads, shared with pedestrians. Pedestrians have the right of way though.

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shoulder_of_orion

I saw the polis giving cyclists what looked like a very stern talking to for riding on the pavement the other day on embankment. It was the bit as you are travelling west between Vauxhall bridge and Chelsea bridge, the bit just before the junction at Lupus street after which there is a cycle lane on the pavement.

samatron

According to this statement from TfL, you can...
https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/streets/cheyne-walk

dhope

Ian.B

dhope wrote:

and I was just reading that thinking lots of people here we haven't heard from in a while...

Sewinman

The shared use path on Chelsea Embankment usually seems to become worth using in awful weather as that seems to cause more traffic, but with the downside being it is highly sketchy on a road bike due to cobbles, or should I say Pave!? I use it occasionally, but don't enjoy it.

notsoblue

I don't know why you'd want to ride on the pavement anyway. You'd be constantly dodging pedestrians and you'd have to give way at every junction. It would be pretty slow progress. I'd encourage him to ride on the road instead tbh.

dhope

notsoblue wrote:

I don't know why you'd want to ride on the pavement anyway. You'd be constantly dodging pedestrians and you'd have to give way at every junction. It would be pretty slow progress. I'd encourage him to ride on the road instead tbh.

He's probably long since decided what he's going to do. It was 5 years ago after all

cookeeemonster

notsoblue wrote:

I don't know why you'd want to ride on the pavement anyway. You'd be constantly dodging pedestrians and you'd have to give way at every junction. It would be pretty slow progress. I'd encourage him to ride on the road instead tbh.

Don't ride that way anymore but at the Chelsea Embankment bit they were talking about earlier in the thread (5 years ago!) the traffic is nasty for large parts of the year will little or no room for filtering. The pavement is wide-ish and there aren't many pedestrians about (none that leap out on you unawares anyway). You just need to drop your speed for the conditions and sail past the stationary traffic...much faster and safer than mixing with the HGV's and white van men stuck in traffic next to you.

notsoblue

dhope wrote:

notsoblue wrote:

I don't know why you'd want to ride on the pavement anyway. You'd be constantly dodging pedestrians and you'd have to give way at every junction. It would be pretty slow progress. I'd encourage him to ride on the road instead tbh.

He's probably long since decided what he's going to do. It was 5 years ago after all

I wonder how he got on?

dhope

notsoblue wrote:

dhope wrote:

notsoblue wrote:

I don't know why you'd want to ride on the pavement anyway. You'd be constantly dodging pedestrians and you'd have to give way at every junction. It would be pretty slow progress. I'd encourage him to ride on the road instead tbh.

He's probably long since decided what he's going to do. It was 5 years ago after all

I wonder how he got on?

There are few things in this world I'm less eager to find out about :twisted:

tgotb

The worst part of Chelsea Embankment, and the bit I think the OP refers to, was always the bit immediately West of Vauxhall Bridge (aka DSC). This was a quite narrow 2-lane road with plenty of potential for close overtaking by motor vehicles. The pavement was (and still is) pretty narrow too, and not available for use by cyclists.

These days there's one fairly wide lane for motor vehicles and a big blue lane for bicycles, and everything's much safer. However that wasn't there 5 years ago, and is therefore off topic.

Further along, Albert Bridge was also closed (for 18 months I think), meaning you couldn't cycle under it on the shared use pavement. However that's also off topic, for the same reason.

notsoblue

dhope wrote:

There are few things in this world I'm less eager to find out about :twisted: