Orange Alpine 160 Anybody

grantway
grantway Posts: 1,430
edited July 2009 in MTB general
Anyone bought or tried an Orange Alpine 160

Does the geometry and bike work on Trail riding
Or is it just a point and shoot mini DownHill bike

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  • deadpool2e
    deadpool2e Posts: 625
    yes i would also like to know the answer to that question also how does it pedal on the ups?
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  • grantway
    grantway Posts: 1,430
    I know Orange say not to ride it in IE A car park for a test ride
    as the angles wont work.
    And to be honest when I see it in the shop it is true.

    Think they should have kept it like the short batch Alpine 5
    but incress the rear travel. But shorten the head angle.
  • jam1e
    jam1e Posts: 1,068
    Not a great deal of use as it's 2nd hand info but I was talking to a bloke in Glentress the other day and he was saying his friend bought one a few weeks ago to use as a sort of "big hitting trail bike" and is now fed up of pushing it up anything even resembling a hill so is thinking of getting rid...

    From what he was saying the clue is in the name - Orange Alpine 160 :wink: If you're not regularly doing that kind of riding on that kind of terrain it seems to be a bit too much bike...
  • dave_hill
    dave_hill Posts: 3,877
    MBR said that they were pushed to choose between the Alpine and the Lapierre Spicy in their recent all-mountain bike group test.

    They said that both bikes were equally good, but that the Lapierre was the better climber where the Orange had a definite downhill bias.

    But then with the Orange it's a 6" travel, slack-angled bike so it's never going to be a razor-sharp climber anyway.

    For my money, I'd try to get on a demo day. It's the only way you'll get a true idea.
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  • Chaz.Harding
    Chaz.Harding Posts: 3,144
    Is it not really just as Patriot when it all boils down??
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  • zero303
    zero303 Posts: 1,162
    No, less travel and lighter.

    That guys pushing it up everything needs to man up! It's not like it's a 36lb monster!
  • There's a demo bike at the Hub in Glentress. I was looking at it yesterday!
    Does look a bit over kill for the UK though, especially at trail centres.
  • Chaz.Harding
    Chaz.Harding Posts: 3,144
    zero303 wrote:
    No, less travel and lighter.

    That guys pushing it up everything needs to man up! It's not like it's a 36lb monster!
    So do I get extra man points for riding my 36lb 6.6 on everything, and beating quite a few folks on full-on XC courses?

    8)
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  • zero303
    zero303 Posts: 1,162
    Yes :)
  • Northwind
    Northwind Posts: 14,675
    There's a demo bike at the Hub in Glentress. I was looking at it yesterday!
    Does look a bit over kill for the UK though, especially at trail centres.

    Do the hub let you take the demos off-site? They had a Diamondback Sabbath for a while too, and I hear they're getting a Spicy, for a nice wee range of bikes that are no damn use at all at GT but would be kind of nice at innerleithen...
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  • Chaz.Harding
    Chaz.Harding Posts: 3,144
    Sweet 8)

    As for the OP, if you get it, you'll be able to hit bigger stuff than you did before, and it WILL help with fitness...

    Yes, the uphill will most likely be very hard, but I find on my AM / small UK downhill bike, that the descents are so much more fun. And I can do bigger drops too (or just land small drops with no finesse whatsoever... :oops: ).

    It's up to you, but I've had a right laugh on my 6.6, and ridden everything (cyclo-cross races, to DH courses... Seriously!).

    So get it, and have some fun!
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  • dave_hill
    dave_hill Posts: 3,877
    zero303 wrote:
    No, less travel and lighter.

    That guys pushing it up everything needs to man up! It's not like it's a 36lb monster!

    Good point, they're actually just a tad under 30lbs all up weight. I can't see it being a problem to ride up hills as long as you're not in a mad rush. Why would it have gears if it wasn't designed to climb too? Plus the advertising blurb claims it can hold its own on the climbs.
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  • Chaz.Harding
    Chaz.Harding Posts: 3,144
    dave_hill wrote:
    Good point, they're actually just a tad under 30lbs all up weight. I can't see it being a problem to ride up hills as long as you're not in a mad rush. Why would it have gears if it wasn't designed to climb too? Plus the advertising blurb claims it can hold its own on the climbs.

    ALL of the pro downhill riders have gears. But I don't see them riding up too many hills :wink:

    Does that mean singlespeeds must only be ridden down hills...? :roll:

    :lol:
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  • davydesign
    davydesign Posts: 178
    well i hope to be giving one a go this weekend.

    tried a Orange Blood yesterday so should be good to compare the two. Needless to say climbing was a bit tough on the blood but with a joplin seatpost and travel adjust forks it would be fine unless u want to win XC races.
  • dave_hill
    dave_hill Posts: 3,877
    ALL of the pro downhill riders have gears. But I don't see them riding up too many hills

    Well despite the fact that the weight of a downhill bike and it's very slack angles and relatively soft suspension preclude the use of it in a vertiginous direction, the gears on a downhill bike are also relatively high...
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  • Chaz.Harding
    Chaz.Harding Posts: 3,144
    Hey, you never said it needed a large range of gears...
    dave_hill wrote:
    Why would it have gears if it wasn't designed to climb too?
    See...? :lol:

    Yeah, I'm only joking. You can ride any bike up a hill, but I dare say the Orange Alpine won't be too fast, or too comfortable though (short cockpit, heavier, and suspension that wasn't designed PRIMARILY to climb).

    As I said before, I have an Intense 6.6. It's a great machine, as I can do literally everything from XC racing to p!ssing around doing downhill courses and north shore / jumps. I'm not gonna lie - it's quite horrible to climb anything remotely steep, but I can manage. I've beat other pretty fit folks up hills on races too, but that's more because I am a powerful rider.

    Get the Alpine, MTFU, blast and enjoy the downhills, jumps, drops and shore sections, griz it up the up-hills. It's more than worth it for the confidence and holligan-ism it will inspire!


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  • Badger42
    Badger42 Posts: 1
    Having rode a Cannondale Lefty 140 Prophet for the past 2 years (29lbs bike). Thought I would up-grade.
    Choose the Alpine 160 over the 516 Spicy. With upgrades and an 18" frame comes in at 33lbs. I'm 6ft tall
    This bike is awesome and then some more. It climbs ok or as good as my old Prophet did. Basically pedal, drop it down a few gear and it will go up the hill fine. then you have the bonus of the down hill ability second to none. Use mine as an XC / Downhill / FR & AM bike and it doe's them all Brilliantly
  • grantway
    grantway Posts: 1,430
    Intresting news
    But need to try one, then again Rowan Sorrell did come 5th on the
    Mega Avallanche on a Orange 5 frame.

    So is it to much frame for over here?
    Also the weight seems to be queit high compared to my
    Orange 5 AM IE Like for like
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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,667
    dave_hill wrote:
    Plus the advertising blurb claims it can hold its own on the climbs.

    Oh, well it must climb well then :roll:
  • supersonic
    supersonic Posts: 82,708
    grantway wrote:
    Intresting news
    But need to try one, then again Rowan Sorrell did come 5th on the
    Mega Avallanche on a Orange 5 frame.

    So is it to much frame for over here?
    Also the weight seems to be queit high compared to my
    Orange 5 AM IE Like for like
    Need more feed back :wink:

    Which year was that?
  • grantway
    grantway Posts: 1,430
    LOL Sonic A while back.

    But the relavance was to that the
    Orange 5 frame stood upto the Mega Avallanche and
    was regarding the 4 lb approx weight differance
    Between each whole made bike.

    And then is it still worth looking at the Alpine 160
    for over in the sunny UK :cry:
  • I tried one of these at Laggan a few weeks back and it rocks! I have an 08 Commencal Meta 55 with a 60mm stem [feels better on the downs] which I rode first and it was fast, fun and twitchy and was really an exciting ride when pushed.

    I then tried an 18inch 160am with the Talas upgrade and 2.4 Rubber Queen tyresand it blew me away, on the ups I wound the forks down which gave me a nice steep climbing angle and at the top I returned them to 160mm.....at first I was a little bored by this same trail but when I pressed on and started looking for the big stuff [anything under 2ft, you really couldn't feel] it started to get interested and took off!

    IMHO this is a proper hooligan bike, pretty light too!
  • smutysmith
    smutysmith Posts: 29
    I bought an Orange alpine 160 in May, so have been riding around on it for a couple of months. I recently spent a week at glentress & innerleithen and rode a mixture of Black Red Blue & downhiill runs, completing the V trail at Glentress with no probs. My alpine 160 weighs about 30lbs(RP23 & 36 floats) and pedals better than my Yeti 575(much to my surprise!) Its got a fairly steep seat angle which helps keep your weight forward when pedaling. The bottom line is this bike is the best all round full sus bike I've ever riden, & its nothing like a i patriot to ride(I've owned one of those too!) It does do decents like a mini downhill bike & you can pedal back up after! & that's all anyone could ask for!
  • grantway
    grantway Posts: 1,430
    Intresting indeed
    Saying that just seen a vid clip off of Orange web site and seen a
    224 with a roker rear link and using the same swing arm.
    Looks good.
    So they maybe introducing that soon to all the frames