Frames with taller headtubes
Rich-Ti
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I've had a couple of fitting sessions over recent months but my current frame is at the limits of it's adjustability and I've still not been able to get my bike position right. I'm coming to the conclusion (and yes, I will get this checked out first!) that rather than going up a frame size to get a taller headtube what I really need to do is to stick with a 56cm frame but find something with a taller headtube.
As I'm currently riding an Cervelo R3 the immediate thought that springs to mind is the Cervelo RS... but for some reason I just don't like that option! I'm yet to try one (although I will be soon) and that may well change my mind, but until then I'm struggling with other options.
And that's why I'm here - can any of you give me any thoughts on other bikes with taller headtubes? My expectation is that I'll go for a 56cm (56-57cm top tube) and will be looking for an 18cm head tube length.
I've searched through every brand of bike I can think of but it's getting me nowhere! The only one I have been able to find is the Colnago CX-1, which on the 56cm model has the same top tube length and headtube length as the Cervelo RS... only it's £500 more money!
Help! :shock:
As I'm currently riding an Cervelo R3 the immediate thought that springs to mind is the Cervelo RS... but for some reason I just don't like that option! I'm yet to try one (although I will be soon) and that may well change my mind, but until then I'm struggling with other options.
And that's why I'm here - can any of you give me any thoughts on other bikes with taller headtubes? My expectation is that I'll go for a 56cm (56-57cm top tube) and will be looking for an 18cm head tube length.
I've searched through every brand of bike I can think of but it's getting me nowhere! The only one I have been able to find is the Colnago CX-1, which on the 56cm model has the same top tube length and headtube length as the Cervelo RS... only it's £500 more money!
Help! :shock:
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A clubmate went from a Cervelo RS to a custom carbon Viner - thinks it's great. Just steer clear of that Litespeed that looks like a farm gateMake mine an Italian, with Campagnolo on the side..0
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A clubmate went from a Cervelo RS to a custom carbon Viner - thinks it's great. Just steer clear of that Litespeed that looks like a farm gateMake mine an Italian, with Campagnolo on the side..0
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You can buy headtube extenders from Cyclefit. Made by Serotta and machined from Alloy. V.nice but £30 a time. You can get Ahead extenders but they are ugly. The h/tube extender is cheaper than a new frame but you'll also need a new fork with a longer steerer I presume.M.Rushton0
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I have similar issues! How about:
Look 585 Optimum (560 mm tt 191mm ht)
Cinelli Estrada (560 175)
Cyclefit's Glider own-brand GPM, which I believe is made by Viner to cyclefit's specs. (560 187)
Indeed a Viner custom, as mentioned.
OK, a few of these have longer than 180mm head-tube, but I assume this is not a problem if getting suffient height is your issue (i.e. just have the stem pointing down and remove spacers).
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huuregeil wrote:I have similar issues! How about:
Look 585 Optimum (560 mm tt 191mm ht)
Cinelli Estrada (560 175)
Cyclefit's Glider own-brand GPM, which I believe is made by Viner to cyclefit's specs. (560 187)
Indeed a Viner custom, as mentioned.
OK, a few of these have longer than 180mm head-tube, but I assume this is not a problem if getting suffient height is your issue (i.e. just have the stem pointing down and remove spacers).
HTH
cyclefits Viner made Glider GPM has an 18.7cm h/t in 55cm
http://www.cyclefit.co.uk/downloads/glider_geometry.pdfM.Rushton0 -
Most of the top end Viner range are available with custom geometry if you want.
The Viner Perfecta in the same price range as the R3 is available in custom
http://www.vinerbikes.com/viner-perfect ... ?p=product
And as a proud owner of a Viner I can say that they are worth the money. They are superb.Expertly coached by http://www.vitessecyclecoaching.co.uk/
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mrushton wrote:cyclefits Viner made Glider GPM has an 18.7cm h/t in 55cm
http://www.cyclefit.co.uk/downloads/glider_geometry.pdf
I think that's a 555mm sloping tt, equivalent to 560mm virtual (IIRC, I called them up about the frame in the autumn, but never ended up going with it...).
Definitely worth a look anyway, I think it's basically a Viner Mitus at a better price.0 -
The Nero Corsa's got a long headtube - not sure how long though - might be worth checking out?0
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Can we get off the Viner idea please - I don't have money for custom carbon! :roll:0
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2nd the s-works Roubaix. I have a 56cm one and the head tube is massive which makes it really comfortable. In fact I had to remove a lot of the spacers it came with as it was so high.
Or the other bike with a really long headtube is the litespeed sportive.0 -
57cm wiliers have 19.5 HT0
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mrushton wrote:the one from Cyclefit is £1700 i think. What is the budget?
Budget is flexible - don't really want to spend more than £1500 (can get the RS for less that £1500 with my club discount), but will spend £2000 if the frame is absolute perfection.
And for me perfection is all about the right combination of a great fit, stiffness & comfort and good looks... except I probably put way more emphasis on the latter than most, which to be fair is another reason why Viner are off the list - their looks just don't do it for me.0 -
Ah, but perfection may come at a price! Most bikes are made to a formula, angles,etc so head-tube lengths are often standard. The other way is to use more spaces and or extenders and/or an angled stem (steeper angle). For all we know, Viner may make cervelo (they don't as Cervelo are manufactured in the Far East) but they do make for other firms and rebadge.M.Rushton0
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mrushton wrote:Ah, but perfection may come at a price!mrushton wrote:Ah, but perfection may come at a price! Most bikes are made to a formula, angles,etc so head-tube lengths are often standard.mrushton wrote:The other way is to use more spaces and or extenders and/or an angled stem (steeper angle).mrushton wrote:For all we know, Viner may make cervelo (they don't as Cervelo are manufactured in the Far East) but they do make for other firms and rebadge.
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Budget - in that case, surely a custom 953 steel or titanium frame has got to come into the picture? The geometry can be made to suit, they can be made plenty stiff, plus you get the paint job and the looks you want (unless that look happens to be carbon...!).0
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Eddy Merckx EXM 560mm and 180mm.0
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huuregeil wrote:Budget - in that case, surely a custom 953 steel or titanium frame has got to come into the picture?0
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Rich-Ti wrote:mrushton wrote:the one from Cyclefit is £1700 i think. What is the budget?
Budget is flexible - don't really want to spend more than £1500 (can get the RS for less that £1500 with my club discount), but will spend £2000 if the frame is absolute perfection.
And for me perfection is all about the right combination of a great fit, stiffness & comfort and good looks... except I probably put way more emphasis on the latter than most, which to be fair is another reason why Viner are off the list - their looks just don't do it for me.
TBH I don't like the Viner colour schemes - but seeing as they were custom building it I got them to do a design of my own. That's the beauty of getting a company to build something for you - you can change things.Expertly coached by http://www.vitessecyclecoaching.co.uk/
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Rich-Ti
Sounds like you have had enough Bike Fittings but if you fancy another go, come and see us at http://bikedynamics.co.uk/
If we did manage to get you into a comfortable (but maybe impractical) position, we can overlay any published frame geometry and predict what sort of stack height and stem lengths they would need to replicate it. See here for an example http://bikedynamics.co.uk/page_1242817827537.html
Regards
Mike at BikeDynamics0