a 40% improvement??

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  • aurelio_-_banned
    aurelio_-_banned Posts: 1,317
    Dave_1 wrote:
    the performance of Basso blows Aurelio's theory out the water-the race is believable, clean riders can get close to winning...
    You seem to be overlooking the fact that Basso is NOT going to win the Giro. If he is clean it looks like it will be just another example of a clean rider being beaten by other riders who are probably doping. (For example, see the current allegations about Menchov). QED, the result of this year's Giro, like all those in recent history, and all editions of the Tour since Lemond, will be a sham. If Menchov is doping, no one can say how far down the field he would be if he were riding clean.

    There are a few other examples of rider we have reason to believe were clean performing well in the Grand Tours, witness Moreau's 4th place in 2000. However, there is a big difference between coming 4th and winning, let alone winning the Tour de France 7 times, and that is the sort of difference doping can make.

    Anyhow, have you sourced that '40%' claim yet?
  • le_patron
    le_patron Posts: 494
    Homer J wrote:
    Anyone here speak from experiance?

    You need some of the contributors on the endurance forum of Cutting Edge Muscle for that I think...

    It would be good if the Kohl's and the Riis's told us what level of improvement the PED's gave them when they confessed. Although I think a yellow jersey and a polka dot between them is probably evidence enough.
  • stagehopper
    stagehopper Posts: 1,593
    aurelio wrote:
    For example, see the current allegations about Menchov). QED, the result of this year's Giro, like all those in recent history, and all editions of the Tour since Lemond, will be a sham. If Menchov is doping, no one can say how far down the field he would be if he were riding clean.

    There are a few other examples of rider we have reason to believe were clean performing well in the Grand Tours, witness Moreau's 4th place in 2000. However, there is a big difference between coming 4th and winning, let alone winning the Tour de France 7 times, and that is the sort of difference doping can make.

    Not too keen on Sastre then?
    @stagehopper

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